Microsoft to Make More Games Compatible, But For How Long?
Posted by cashman on 06 June 2006 - 19:11 · 20 comments & 6878 views
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#1 Posted by nerv66i on 06 Jun 2006 - 19:47
- either backwards compatability and platform development for PS3 is being worked on in tandem or the PS3 is exactly what i thought it would be... a PS2 with faster hardware.
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#2 Posted by Xionanx on 06 Jun 2006 - 20:00
- Backwards compatibility is NOT a defining feature of a console for me. I imagine about 90% of the people who buy a PS3, XBOX 360, or Wii will also not really care about backwards compatibility; or at least not as much as they THINK they care. Take this for instance, I own a PS2 which is ~99% backwards compatible with PS1 games (there are some PS1 games that STILL dont work on PS2's). I have probably played 1 PS1 game on my PS2 within the last 4 years. I also estimate that I will play roughly 1 XBOX game on my XBOX360 over the course of its lifetime..
One could argue that the XBOX is also "backwards compatible" with older consoles, or at least for those in the know. NES, SNES, Neo Geo, Sega MS, Genesis, GameBoy, etc... All can be played on the XBOX. Does that make the XBOX superior to the PS2 because of its greater backwards compatibility.. no, not really. The XBOX is superior to the PS2 due to better overall performance/ability.. to bad developers only care about install base.
As far as PS3 being 100% backwards compatible, I'm almost 100% certain that its more smoke and mirrors on the part of Sony. The PS2 wasn't 100% backwards compatible with the PS1, so I find it highly unlikely that they have found a way to make the PS3 100% backwards compatible with BOTH the PS2 and PS1.
I'm hopeing that developers finally get a clue and move to superior hardware that is easier to develop for; the XBOX360. In all honesty, the ONLY reason some of my friends will buy a PS3 is because SquarEnix is planning a FF game for it. That leads me to believe that people wont buy the PS3 because they like the console, they will buy the PS3 becuase they believe certain games are coming for it... and that just sad. It means all the hardware means nothing, none of the console features mean anything.. Sony could package dog **** encrusted controllers with the PS3 and people would hold them gladly just to play "Insert game name here". -
#2.1 Posted by HawkMan on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:34
- So let me get this straight... I'm not quite sure I got all that.
Yout hink it's BAD that peopel choose a console because they like the games on it, rather than because it has superior hardware ?
not that it matters for me, I wouldn't get a PS3 anyway, unless it was 100$
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#3 Posted by DecoyDuck on 06 Jun 2006 - 20:13
- Quote -... including many of the games that you’ve asked for.
Come now. Nobody really asked for Barbie's Horse Adventures?
Did they?
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#4 Posted by Cole on 06 Jun 2006 - 20:30
- Wow, fanboy alert.
It's funny how all the xbox fanboys always bring up that backwards compatibility is not important. Alot of people have/will sell their xbox to get funds to buy the 360. So you're telling me that after I bought all those games for 50 dollars each (in most cases) that I can't play them, or I have to sell them for penny-cheap?
I would definantly say that 99% of backwards compatibility is better than the 1-5% that the 360 has.
And to finish it off, who the hell buys a console for the console??? People buy consoles for the games. Most of the games I'm really excited about are for the PS3, and I really like the fact that it merges my Sony products together, such as my PSP. I personally like that I don't have to pay the 50/year for a premium online service, and gladly will pay the 600 dollars for the features and services Sony is giving me.
I've never really been that fond of Microsoft, a huge Monopoly that NEEDS to be on top in everything, noone can ever have a bigger name than Microsoft. * end sarcasm * -
#4.1 Posted by Smigit on 07 Jun 2006 - 11:33
- I agree and disagree. I dont think backwards compatibility is a must or is that important however it is good to have. The thing is if you wanted to play those Xbox games you should perhaps have not sold the Xbox. I mean how much will you get for trading it in? Not alot I guess so if your struggling to buy the 360 and have to trade in the old console whats the point, you probably cant afford many games for the 360 anyway.
Not that it matters but people should check the compatability before throwing the old machine away or selling it if they think they would like to play the old games.
I agree on the games sentiment. A console is about the games not the console. Its the reason I dont own any of the current consoles but will be buying a 360 AFTER xmas when halo and gears of war are released. No point getting a console now if theres no games for it, abd theres no point buying a console for pretty pictures if the games on it arent fun or are on the competitors machine.
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#4.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 07 Jun 2006 - 14:08
- +Cole noone really listens to you my friend....Its very clear you are pro-Sony, anti-Microsoft.
People do buy consoles for the name and hype it has. Its been proven with PS/Sony products.
The iPod is perfectly connectable to the PS3 and I think so is the PSP.
Xbox Live is currently free to all users. The gold is the one you have to pay. This will problably be the same with the PS3.
If Microsoft never existed, Sony wouldnt have a user friendly OS (such as Windows) to put on their laptops. Plus much tech that MS has invented, Sony uses some way or another so.
BTW I really dont recall personally any games to be excited about. Sony has lost GTA and possibly FF. I recall ONE game that looked pretty interesting but I forget its name... -
#4.3 Posted by EugeneE3RD on 11 Jun 2006 - 20:22
- I'm an XBOX fan, not a fanboy because I own a PS2 along with an XBOX (broken. bad mod job) & an XBOX 360. I think that backwards compatibility is a good thing to have. Now that Microsoft started BC, they need to make all games BC on XBOX 360.
If you read comments from MS, they claim that they want to try to get all XBOX games BC on 360. The reason why people are mad at Peter Moore is that we have a little over 200+ XBOX games playable on 360 & Peter Moore came out & said that "nobody care's about BC" which is a bunch of BS. There are over 500+ XBOX games which are not playable on 360.
Now, if MS didn't make the XBOX games BC on 360, nobody would be mad on the BC idea but since MS started BC, Moore wants to leave was with a crappy amount of games BC on 360.
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#5 Posted by stifler6478 on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:09
- Quote - Cole said @ #2.1Wow, fanboy alert.
It's funny how all the xbox fanboys always bring up that backwards compatibility is not important. Alot of people have/will sell their xbox to get funds to buy the 360. So you're telling me that after I bought all those games for 50 dollars each (in most cases) that I can't play them, or I have to sell them for penny-cheap?
He's trying to point this fundamental flaw of people like you out: How many of those $50 games do you play anymore? I'm betting not many. I have about 10 Xbox games, only two of which I still play on my 360 - Halo and Halo 2. If the 360 wasn't BC at all, I'd just play them on my Xbox and be fine with that. I mean, come on, I bought DOA for the 360 and had a ton of fun, but I rarely even play that anymore, and that's not nearly as old as any Xbox games out there. BC isn't a console defining element to me either. I'll also gladly keep paying $50 for XBL, since it is an amazing service, and is tons of fun. You still don't know exactly what 'free' is going to get you.
Oh, and don't call people fanboys when you go out of your way to show that you are one yourself.
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#5.1 Posted by Cole on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:53
- Quote - stifler6478 said @ #4.1Quote - Cole said @ #2.1Wow, fanboy alert.
It's funny how all the xbox fanboys always bring up that backwards compatibility is not important. Alot of people have/will sell their xbox to get funds to buy the 360. So you're telling me that after I bought all those games for 50 dollars each (in most cases) that I can't play them, or I have to sell them for penny-cheap?
He's trying to point this fundamental flaw of people like you out: How many of those $50 games do you play anymore? I'm betting not many. I have about 10 Xbox games, only two of which I still play on my 360 - Halo and Halo 2. If the 360 wasn't BC at all, I'd just play them on my Xbox and be fine with that. I mean, come on, I bought DOA for the 360 and had a ton of fun, but I rarely even play that anymore, and that's not nearly as old as any Xbox games out there. BC isn't a console defining element to me either. I'll also gladly keep paying $50 for XBL, since it is an amazing service, and is tons of fun. You still don't know exactly what 'free' is going to get you.
Oh, and don't call people fanboys when you go out of your way to show that you are one yourself.
-Spenser
Actually, I'm a guy that has a big distaste for Microsoft, and plan on getting the Wii and the PS3.
You know that alot of people don't have the money to afford those games and throw them out because some company says no one cares about "those" games anymore. I still actively play dozens of games that are for Gamecube, PS2, and xBox. ALOT of people I know sold their xbox for the 360 (the non tech savvy ones, not knowing they cant play their favorite xbox games on the 360) and now they have one-two games they can play that they bought for the 360 and that's it.
Alot of people I know don't have the money to blow money like that, and Microsoft doesn't see that. Nintendo got it right with that nice game library that will have thousands of games on it, from all over the nintendo era on it, and Sony has kept things stable, designing the console with features wanted by the consumer, but maybe not the price. O_o
Honestly, I'd be perfectly fine with it if they renamed the xbox series as a series indicates a deep connection with prequels of various content. But I don't really see anything apparent on the xbox360 box that says "this is not backwards compatible with xbox" and that bugs me because it's just another big corporation rolling over the consumer, and I see WAY too much of that.
I'm sorry for the fanboy comment though. :p
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#6 Posted by Corky842 on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:20
- Tycho did.
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#6.1 Posted by PureLegend on 07 Jun 2006 - 17:21
- Quote - Corky842 said @ #3.1
:rofl:
That was funny.
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#7 Posted by HawkMan on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:37
- I doubt many sell their Xbox' to buy a 360, a used xbox is basically worthless with the price of new xbox'es today.
the Xbox is also like half the price of the PS3, so witht he Xbox you can certainly afford to keep yoru original xbox when buying a 360 -
#7.1 Posted by Fubar on 07 Jun 2006 - 08:37
- Quote - HawkMan said @ #4.1I doubt many sell their Xbox' to buy a 360, a used xbox is basically worthless with the price of new xbox'es today.
the Xbox is also like half the price of the PS3, so witht he Xbox you can certainly afford to keep yoru original xbox when buying a 360
wrong when i worked in game all people did was trade in their old xbox due to the lack of compatablility infact when the 360 was first launched all our customers in the shop i used to work in traded in their old xboxs with their games so that statemant is rather wrong
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#8 Posted by HawkMan on 06 Jun 2006 - 21:42
- I doubt many sell their Xbox' to buy a 360, a used xbox is basically worthless with the price of new xbox'es today.
the Xbox is also like half the price of the PS3, so witht he Xbox you can certainly afford to keep yoru original xbox when buying a 360
oh btw, the money you save on buying a 360 will pay for the XBL service for at least otu this console generatiosn life, I also seriusly doubt Sony's ability to create an online service that can really compete with XBL in quality.
takign this into considerition, first sony said they would have a online service.. then they said, no they will not have an online service(considering gamespy was to develop it, that might be just as well). then suddenly 6 months before release, oh we're goign to make an online service. If you seriusly think they can develop anythign near XBL quality and have it remotely bug free in that timeframe, even if we assume they've been working on it twice as long(wich we know they haven't based on their previus statements) then I think I have several lucrative houses to sell you in the city of your choice
Also the fact that I believe it's still Gamespy that's helping to develop the service... now it that doesn't send shivers down the spine of any fanboy...
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#9 Posted by ncc50446 on 07 Jun 2006 - 06:52
- I love it when somehting is backward compatable. I still play a lot of my PS1 games on my PS2. I don't need to have 2 hooked up to play my games, just 1, the PS2. I played my PS1 games for hours, and still do, and still plan on buying a few more PS1 games. And glad that I will be able to play them on the PS3 as well. Its not important, but I think its a huge plus
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#10 Posted by rIaHc3 on 07 Jun 2006 - 14:13
- still plan on buying a few more PS1 games.
...you can still buy old PS1 games in store? I seriously didnt know.
You do know there are working emulators out there for the PS1 on PC and Xbox? -
#10.1 Posted by PureLegend on 07 Jun 2006 - 17:39
- Quote - rIaHc3 said @ #9.1still plan on buying a few more PS1 games.
...you can still buy old PS1 games in store? I seriously didnt know.
You do know there are working emulators out there for the PS1 on PC and Xbox?
Xbox?
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#11 Posted by Xerxes on 13 Jun 2006 - 08:30
- I didn't trade in my Xbox, still got it unfortunatly it's on its last legs now
...but I still use it for my Xbox games that don't run on my Xbox 360 
EDIT: This comment wasn't suppose tobe here :unsure: I replied to a comment further up and it was put here
Last edited by Xerxes on 13 Jun 2006 - 08:37
This update will come in light of Peter Moore’s recent comments that “nobody is concerned” about the feature anymore, going on to say "nobody is concerned anymore about backwards compatibility," arguing that the firm had "under promised and over delivered" on that aspect of the Xbox 360. This contradicted Microsofts early promise of complete backwards compatibility, and led to widespread rumours of how many more titles would be made available on the 360.
Gamerscoreblog seemed to agree with Moore posting “Long before the launch, we thought we might hit a few dozen titles, and we all feel pretty good about the list of well over 200 titles on the back compat list today, including many of the games that you’ve asked for. You all have heard us say the work isn't simple.” So, now it seems no one has a clue how many games will be updated to 360 glory, which is a shame as Sony seemed gleefully pleased when they announced full backwards compatibility with all playstation titles last month at E3.
What are your feelings on this? Do you care if any more games get updated for the 360? Does Sony’s apparent backwards compatibility put it a step ahead of the competition? Discuss below.