Tonight I’d like to write about what used to be my religion: Catholicism. Why should you care, dear reader? Maybe you’ve never been in the Church, or any Church, and would like to get some insider information. Maybe you’ve only been told bad things about the Catholic Church and are wondering how a billion people can be so stupid as to still be part of it. Is there anything good about the Catholic Church? Does anyone intelligent and not delusional believe in that **** in 2012?
I claim to be intelligent, not delusional, to have a deep understanding of Catholic faith, and I suppose my now agnostic and materialistic views will improve my credibility in the eyes of the agnostic and materialistic majority that seems to compose these boards and today’s intelligentsia, for the most part. I also have the rather rare position of deeply admiring the Catholic Church while not believing in most of what it teaches. I will try to stay as factual as possible, but this post is voluntarily biased towards praising the Catholic Church: I think the Church gets enough bad press without my contribution in that regard.
Let’s start with some facts, taken straight from universal web authority (lol) Wikipedia. The Catholic Church:
The Catholic Church also teaches a bunch of concepts that you may be familiar with:
The Church also has done a whole lot of awesome that basically makes our world what it is today, such as
A common misconception is that the Catholic Church crippled scientific progress through heavy censorship, the archetypal example being Galileo’s theory of heliocentrism. While this event undeniably occurred and is a regrettable mistake (one that the Church did apologize for), it represents, overall, a slight blemish on a two-millennia history of sustained teaching through its monks, nuns and priests, essentially enabling science to rise as it has. In regards to astronomy in particular, historian John Lewis Heilbron notes: “The Roman Catholic Church gave more financial aid and support to the study of astronomy for over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the late Middle Ages into the Enlightenment, than any other, and, probably, all other, institutions.” (Heilbron, J. L. (1999). The Sun in the Church: Cathedrals as Solar Observatories. Cambridge: Harvard University Press.)
While we’re talking misconceptions: it is often perceived that the Crusades were nothing more than unnecessary violence motivated by irrational zealotry. In reality, the Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion of Europe, and were it not for all European states uniting against the invader, today we would live under Islamic beliefs. Given how the Islamic world has evolved since its Golden Age (i.e. not a whole lot), I don’t think that would have been a very desirable outcome. In the Middle-Ages, the only reason Europe could unite as a whole was the Catholic Church.
It is also often heard that the Vatican is stinking rich and that selling its assets would solve world hunger or something. In reality, the Vatican’s operating budget is about 385 M $, which is comparable to a moderate-size university; and its assets have, by and large, no monetary value: no one can put Michelangelo’s works or the St Peter Basilica on the market. For the most part, the Catholic clergy and religious live a life of charity and possess little material wealth: assets such as churches, schools and hospitals were generally built by their local community to benefit from their services. True, there have been scandalous counter-examples especially around the Renaissance, with a relatively decadent clergy; these periods are hardly representative of History as a whole and especially of what the Church is today.
Speaking of charities, before the Reformation virtually all charities were administered by the Church; and even in this day and age where most schools and hospitals are under the control of the State, Catholic charities are everywhere and provide for all human needs – both material and spiritual. It is often said that Catholic Church is the largest charity in the world: while the Church is not, in itself, technically, a charity, it consists mainly of a plethora of charitable organizations, and with the presence the Church has all over the world, it is difficult to imagine how any single organization could represent a larger charity.
But surely there is corruption and child abuse and greed and whatnot within the clergy, right? Sure. It used to be even worse than it is today. Catholics are as informed and preoccupied with that as any other. Why do they stay in the Church, then? For two reasons:
This is Jesus’ answer:
In other words, Catholics worship God and try to be charitable to others. Pretty simple stuff. There’s a lot more, of course, but charity and worship is what it boils down to.
Catholics do not interpret the Old Testament in its literal sense, for the most part. The Law of Moses is seen as an intermediary step towards the Law of Christ: love for God and others. Catholics do not believe that the world was literally created in 7 days, but that Genesis is a symbolic tale of God’s fundamental plan and man’s fall. For the record, the Big Bang theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaître. The vast majority of Catholics believe in Evolution, and as illustrated earlier, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of scientific exploration, creating schools and universities all over the world, and including among its devout such famous names as Copernicus, Galileo, Lavoisier, Mendel, Ockham and many others.
Well what about resurrection then? What about angels, demons and such? What about miracles, or even the afterlife? Isn’t that all ridiculous in this day and age?
It is ridiculous from a materialist point of view, perhaps. The thing is, materialism is a philosophical view, not a scientific theory, and is ultimately as improvable by the scientific method as any other metaphysical view of the universe. Most people are not materialist and therefore do not see any inherent problem with the existence of non-material entities, or that of the supernatural order. There’s nothing inherently absurd (i.e. self-contradictory) about the idea that spiritual beings exist, or that an omnipotent uncreated being is the supreme ruler of the universe. Maybe you are unconvinced (as I am) by the arguments presented for their existence, but there’s a difference between insufficient proof and absurdity. Maybe Catholics believe in things that are not well-founded, but so do most people including atheists. Who can say God certainly doesn’t exist? A human lifetime is probably too short to answer the question, and Catholics have decided to side with the “yes” rather than “no” answer because the evidence for the “yes” seemed more convincing to them than for the “no”. There’s a whole bunch of them including PhDs (Benedict XVI is several times PhD), and they’ve been there for two millennia, so there must be some fairly good arguments. As a matter of fact, there are quite a lot of well-reasoned arguments for the existence of God, the truth of the Gospel, etc, and the topic is far from exhausted among philosophers today.
People tend to presume that believers do not question their beliefs or reason about them, but so do believers vs. non-believers! What I’m basically arguing is that it’s not obvious that Catholics are wrong in their beliefs, and we shouldn’t hold them to higher standards than those who agree with our beliefs. Challenge your materialist friends on why they are materialist, and I doubt they will have a much better defense than your average Catholic. We’re generally too busy with Facebook and our girlfriends to spend time thinking about metaphysics, and Catholics are not very different in that regard.
I guess I most stop this post at some point, so allow me to summarize:
I claim to be intelligent, not delusional, to have a deep understanding of Catholic faith, and I suppose my now agnostic and materialistic views will improve my credibility in the eyes of the agnostic and materialistic majority that seems to compose these boards and today’s intelligentsia, for the most part. I also have the rather rare position of deeply admiring the Catholic Church while not believing in most of what it teaches. I will try to stay as factual as possible, but this post is voluntarily biased towards praising the Catholic Church: I think the Church gets enough bad press without my contribution in that regard.
Let’s start with some facts, taken straight from universal web authority (lol) Wikipedia. The Catholic Church:
- is the world’s largest Christian church
- has over a billion members
- is among the oldest institutions in the world
- has played a prominent role in the history of Western civilization
- claims to be founded by Jesus-Christ, who is widely considered the most influential person ever to have lived
The Catholic Church also teaches a bunch of concepts that you may be familiar with:
- That individual human life is sacred
- All humans are equal in rights and dignity regardless of sex, nationality, social status, etc.
- That church and state are distinct and complementary (i.e. separation of church and state)
- God made man in His image (ergo individual human life is sacred)
- Everyone is a child of God and a brother of Christ in Baptism, (ergo all are equal)
- “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s” (ergo separation of church and state)
The Church also has done a whole lot of awesome that basically makes our world what it is today, such as
- Preserving remnants of Greek and Roman Civilization (traditions, artistic and scientific writings) throughout the Dark and Middle Ages, allowing the Renaissance to happen.
- Uniting Europe under common fundamental beliefs and a central authority, allowing it to stand as a whole versus other world powers (i.e. Islam in the Middle Ages).
- Creating the first schools and universities.
- Inventing the modern notation of music and inspiring most early musical works.
- Stimulating Western visual arts and architecture through the construction of Cathedrals, Monasteries, etc.
- Setting up and maintaining schools, hospitals, orphanages, spiritual guidance and much of societies’ basic organization systematically throughout History.
A common misconception is that the Catholic Church crippled scientific progress through heavy censorship, the archetypal example being Galileo’s theory of heliocentrism. While this event undeniably occurred and is a regrettable mistake (one that the Church did apologize for), it represents, overall, a slight blemish on a two-millennia history of sustained teaching through its monks, nuns and priests, essentially enabling science to rise as it has. In regards to astronomy in particular, historian John Lewis Heilbron notes: “The Roman Catholic Church gave more financial aid and support to the study of astronomy for over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the late Middle Ages into the Enlightenment, than any other, and, probably, all other, institutions.” (Heilbron, J. L. (1999). The Sun in the Church: Cathedrals as Solar Observatories. Cambridge: Harvard University Press.)
While we’re talking misconceptions: it is often perceived that the Crusades were nothing more than unnecessary violence motivated by irrational zealotry. In reality, the Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion of Europe, and were it not for all European states uniting against the invader, today we would live under Islamic beliefs. Given how the Islamic world has evolved since its Golden Age (i.e. not a whole lot), I don’t think that would have been a very desirable outcome. In the Middle-Ages, the only reason Europe could unite as a whole was the Catholic Church.
It is also often heard that the Vatican is stinking rich and that selling its assets would solve world hunger or something. In reality, the Vatican’s operating budget is about 385 M $, which is comparable to a moderate-size university; and its assets have, by and large, no monetary value: no one can put Michelangelo’s works or the St Peter Basilica on the market. For the most part, the Catholic clergy and religious live a life of charity and possess little material wealth: assets such as churches, schools and hospitals were generally built by their local community to benefit from their services. True, there have been scandalous counter-examples especially around the Renaissance, with a relatively decadent clergy; these periods are hardly representative of History as a whole and especially of what the Church is today.
Speaking of charities, before the Reformation virtually all charities were administered by the Church; and even in this day and age where most schools and hospitals are under the control of the State, Catholic charities are everywhere and provide for all human needs – both material and spiritual. It is often said that Catholic Church is the largest charity in the world: while the Church is not, in itself, technically, a charity, it consists mainly of a plethora of charitable organizations, and with the presence the Church has all over the world, it is difficult to imagine how any single organization could represent a larger charity.
But surely there is corruption and child abuse and greed and whatnot within the clergy, right? Sure. It used to be even worse than it is today. Catholics are as informed and preoccupied with that as any other. Why do they stay in the Church, then? For two reasons:
- Because of Catholic faith itself: Catholics believe that all men are sinners, all men are tempted by the devil, and all may fail to uphold the good whether they are laymen or the Pope. They also believe that the true leader of the Church is Christ, and that He will see that it survives any challenge whether from outside or within. In the face of human failure, Catholics keep their faith because their faith isn’t placed in fallible humans, but in God.
- Because very simply, the good far outweighs the bad in the Catholic Church, even when scandal strikes some of the clergy or religious communities. This is hard to believe when all you know of the Catholic Church is what you read in the news, but the purpose of journalists is to report what is exceptional, not the daily routine.
This is Jesus’ answer:
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“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matthew 22:36-40
Catholics do not interpret the Old Testament in its literal sense, for the most part. The Law of Moses is seen as an intermediary step towards the Law of Christ: love for God and others. Catholics do not believe that the world was literally created in 7 days, but that Genesis is a symbolic tale of God’s fundamental plan and man’s fall. For the record, the Big Bang theory was first proposed by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaître. The vast majority of Catholics believe in Evolution, and as illustrated earlier, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of scientific exploration, creating schools and universities all over the world, and including among its devout such famous names as Copernicus, Galileo, Lavoisier, Mendel, Ockham and many others.
Well what about resurrection then? What about angels, demons and such? What about miracles, or even the afterlife? Isn’t that all ridiculous in this day and age?
It is ridiculous from a materialist point of view, perhaps. The thing is, materialism is a philosophical view, not a scientific theory, and is ultimately as improvable by the scientific method as any other metaphysical view of the universe. Most people are not materialist and therefore do not see any inherent problem with the existence of non-material entities, or that of the supernatural order. There’s nothing inherently absurd (i.e. self-contradictory) about the idea that spiritual beings exist, or that an omnipotent uncreated being is the supreme ruler of the universe. Maybe you are unconvinced (as I am) by the arguments presented for their existence, but there’s a difference between insufficient proof and absurdity. Maybe Catholics believe in things that are not well-founded, but so do most people including atheists. Who can say God certainly doesn’t exist? A human lifetime is probably too short to answer the question, and Catholics have decided to side with the “yes” rather than “no” answer because the evidence for the “yes” seemed more convincing to them than for the “no”. There’s a whole bunch of them including PhDs (Benedict XVI is several times PhD), and they’ve been there for two millennia, so there must be some fairly good arguments. As a matter of fact, there are quite a lot of well-reasoned arguments for the existence of God, the truth of the Gospel, etc, and the topic is far from exhausted among philosophers today.
People tend to presume that believers do not question their beliefs or reason about them, but so do believers vs. non-believers! What I’m basically arguing is that it’s not obvious that Catholics are wrong in their beliefs, and we shouldn’t hold them to higher standards than those who agree with our beliefs. Challenge your materialist friends on why they are materialist, and I doubt they will have a much better defense than your average Catholic. We’re generally too busy with Facebook and our girlfriends to spend time thinking about metaphysics, and Catholics are not very different in that regard.
I guess I most stop this post at some point, so allow me to summarize:
- The Catholic Church has been a tremendous positive influence in History: far from stifling progress, it has essentially made it possible.
- The Catholic Church is a huge, epic force of Good in today’s world: thousands of charities all over the world, way above any non-religious organization.
- Fundamental Western values of respect, equality, tolerance are part of our Christian heritage.
- Catholic faith is all about love of God and others, and can make sense from a non-materialistic point of view.





You look at the problem by assuming that every Catholic person in the world does what he should do according to the good parts of the Bible and according to what Jesus did.
All religions start from something that is usually not so bad (Jesus didn't write the Bible, after all). But the people who use it are mostly people who want power. Most animals have a society based on a simple law: the strongest one wins, period. Humans are animals. Which means we should still be in that kind of system... and that's where faith comes. If you are smart enough to convince people that a god exists, you can break the law of the strongest and start ruling people stronger than you because they do not realize you are manipulating them.
In a "traditional" society, the priest has influence on pretty much everything. Why? Because it is easy to explain very complex stuff (tide goes in, tide goes out...) by claiming it is God's will. Since most people cannot imagine any other solution (after all, even scientists can't explain gravity even though they understand how it works), they accept that explanation, and begin accepting that a God exists and rules the Universe. From that moment on, priests have absolute power on almost everyone. Take human sacrifices, for instance. It is horrible, and it is done in the name of religion. Why? Because it's the final step in submission to religion. Once you start thinking that sacrificing your children because a priest tells you to is okay, you are locked into eternal submission to your religious leaders. Obviously, no one actually tried sacrificing people and testing whether it worked or not; it was a natural escalation to have even more control over people. First minor sacrifices (praying every day) then medium ones (killing animals), then major ones (killing people).
Religions are made to justify "laws" that could not be justifiable by claiming it is God's will. Why did Eve eat the apple? Because that makes women the reason we are not in Paradise any more, thus allowing religious leaders to claim women must pay for their ancestor's mistake and be eternally inferior. Without religion, it'd very hard to force women into submission; using religion, you can actually make them believe they are inferior, and they will oppose no resistance to their oppressors.
Kings often claimed they were kings because God decided so, and other people were inferior also because of God's will. This gives enormous power to kings because no one dares question their authority. It gives even more power to the church itself, because it could say some person is in fact not sent by God, thus immediately destroying their reign. That's one of the reasons a lot of religions take eternal life as granted; it's hard to force people to obey someone who is exactly like them apart from the birthplace. But if you promise servants that they will enjoy eternal life in Paradise while their greedy masters will burn in Hell for the rest of eternity, it looks like a good deal.
Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church because said something that did not match what the Church's teachings and made sense. The tools we make get better every day, and with better tools you can explain much more phenomenons that were previously impossible to explain. Once someone convinces people that their religion is wrong on at least one important fact, there is a chance that they start questioning other teachings. Then religious leaders you are in deep trouble, risking to lose the power they have. Thus, they need to censor theories that do not match their teachings.
The Church was considerably weakened when we discovered how to print books. The Bible only goes so far; plenty of religious "laws" are not inside, and were created for various purposes. Allowing people to discover what is really inside forced the Church to withdraw indulgences, for example. Every time science and tools get better, faith gets weaker.
The Catholic Church stopping progress is not some kind of small historical event that happened once or twice; it was the case every time an explanation was needed to make something morally right such as slavery, or someone was challenging the Church's teachings. The Church itself can donate a lot of money because the people receiving it will not dare to do something that is contrary to the beliefs of their donors. Paintings are an excellent example; the reason there are trillions of religious paintings is because the people giving money to painters were either part of the Church itself or forced to obey because the reason they are who they are is related to the Church (e.g. kings).
René Descartes proved the existence of God. Frankly, his proof is lame. But Descartes was smart, so why did he do that? Because he knew very well that he would become a prime target for clerical censorship if he didn't accept God's existence, especially after saying you cannot be sure anything really exists.
Rick Santorum's presidential bid was funny because everyone knew he'd lose, but also scary because a society built on Santorum's model would be horrible for most of its members. What was once accepted by everyone is now seen as being insane and retarded.
You believe the Catholic Church brought progress; I believe the opposite. We have achieved considerable progress not thanks to religion, but in spite of religion.
Draw a graph: "how much influence religion has on people's daily life" on one axis and "level of progress achieved" on the other, with a dot for every civilization you can think of. It's a line that goes straight down. Islamic nations? Huge influence on daily life, low progress. Nations "freed" by the Arab Spring? Rising influence of religion, "progress" by Western standards is going backwards (also true for Iran). "Western" nations? Low influence on daily life, advanced civilization. And so on. (I'm not talking about how much people are believers, but how far their beliefs leads them)
Catholic faith is not only about loving others, it's also about obeying priests, never doing anything that brings pleasure (gluttony, lust, ...) if you want to go to Heaven, and so on. What you're looking for is Jesus' original teachings, which are indeed about love and peace.