Telly in Trouble: EU targets large-screen TV sets, other devices to save energy


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why not get rid of old appliances that drain a hell of a lot more?! Again more knee-jerk-reactions just like the RoHS crap (Look up tin wiskers and you'll see why more electronics go bad sooner). -_-

 

Or CRT TVs. Have a program where you can trade in a bulky CRT TV that drains 6x more power or some older appliances that are ineffecient,for tax/credit  credit towards new ones or refurb ones for free??

 

That would have more of a positive impact than this move.

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Misleading title; they're simply capping the amount of energy used, just like they did earlier with vacuum cleaners. Makes sense, and the earliest the rules can come in is June 2016, so plenty of time to get the energy usage down if need be.

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Are they targeting gamers now? First they reduce the average lifespan of games consoles since 2004 to around 3 years (RoHS) and now large displays?

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The headline is misleading.

 

The law is banning inefficient screen plasma televisions. Liquid-crystal display flat screen television are unaffected.

 

I am not surprise at all that that this misleading information is coming from RT.

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Misleading title; they're simply capping the amount of energy used, just like they did earlier with vacuum cleaners. Makes sense, and the earliest the rules can come in is June 2016, so plenty of time to get the energy usage down if need be.

It does state in the video about the capping but as usual its small fish compared with other initiatives that could be enforced

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It does state in the video about the capping but as usual its small fish compared with other initiatives that could be enforced

Yeah, I was just referring to the title vcfan used for the thread. It is a bit weird RT's reporting on it now, all of a sudden - the video was uploaded just two hours ago - when this was in the news over a month ago; that Guardian article I linked is dated November 18th.

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I love how plasma's are targetted, I own a 50 inch and have not seen any significant increase in my bills regarding it's power consumption compared to my 33 inch crt, over the same period of time. ( yes I did try running them alternatively, for a month each)

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I love how plasma's are targetted, I own a 50 inch and have not seen any significant increase in my bills regarding it's power consumption compared to my 33 inch crt, over the same period of time. ( yes I did try running them alternatively, for a month each)

Probably because they're both power-hungry; plasma slightly less so than CRT, but still considerably more than LCD.

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apologies fellas, yes i now realize how misleading the title is(i wasnt rubbing my hands and plotting on how to come up withthe most misleading title).

i think the idea to put a cap on products is a horrible solution. those who waste energy are still going to leave their "energy efficient" tvs on even when they arent watching them.

put a cap on total overall consumption,penalize over consumption but dont limit what people can buy.

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Well I like Plasmas, I hope they're here to stay, tech improves if given enough research and time, I see no reason plasmas couldn't be improved for power consumtion if it REALLY is such a big deal for no good busybodies who have no right to try and dictate what a consumer spends their hard earned money on

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Well I like Plasmas, I hope they're here to stay, tech improves if given enough research and time, I see no reason plasmas couldn't be improved for power consumtion if it REALLY is such a big deal for no good busybodies who have no right to try and dictate what a consumer spends their hard earned money on

Yeah, I know plasmas have their upsides over LCDs and LEDs when it comes to picture quality (the Pioneer Kuro seems to the king of plasmas from what I've read before), and it would be nice to see more efficient models, but I think their time has come and gone; I don't even think you can buy a new one here in the UK now. Just having a look now: nothing at Richer Sounds. Ahh, found three LG ones at Currys, but there are also 171 LEDs and 3 OLEDs (which is the next future). Seems like LG are the only plasma manufacturer left now; I remember reading Pioneer pulling out few years ago, then Panasonic and Samsung followed suit afterwards.

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I love how plasma's are targetted, I own a 50 inch and have not seen any significant increase in my bills regarding it's power consumption compared to my 33 inch crt, over the same period of time. ( yes I did try running them alternatively, for a month each)

 

you know, you could measure the amount of Watts both consume with a simple device; i have one and i've found some of the most small appliances i have at home consume more then the big ones (like a toaster or a tv setup box that consume even on idle); all the appliances should be AAA+ for energy efficiency, but i've seen appliances that are sold today and are most likelly B or even C grade :/

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I love how plasma's are targetted, I own a 50 inch and have not seen any significant increase in my bills regarding it's power consumption compared to my 33 inch crt, over the same period of time. ( yes I did try running them alternatively, for a month each)

I migrated in that exact order (CRT->plasma->LED), and while the plasma was more efficient than the CRT, the LED is, in turn, more efficient than the plasma.

 

Another reason why screen sizes have gone up is that improvements in technology have each WEIGHING less than the technology it succeeded.

 

A 32" CRT is a GPB to move - especially solo - and it requires professionals to mount any sort of way.

A 42" plasma is lighter than a CRT - but not by a heck of a lot - and it is FAR easier to mount on a wall than the SMALLER CRT I used in the first option above.

A 42" LED (the dominant display today) is far lighter than any plasma, and can use the same mounts AS a plasma; even more fortunately, due to the much lighter weight, unlike a plasma of the same screen-size, it's a one-person job in most cases.

 

There is also another factor - price.  Look at the price per inch of diagonal measure (PPI) of TVs (or PC displays, for that matter) based on their display technologies; both CRTs and plasma-tech displays have either stayed the same or increased in price per inch, while LCDs, LEDs, and related technologies have all dropped not merely severely, but below CRT and plasma.  In fact, look at curved LED/UHD displays just in 2014 alone - it is already a threat to non-curved/non-UHD LED display pricing - despite the former being invariably larger than the latter.  (Hasn't this SAME issue been driving electronics retailers EVERYWHERE rather buggy?)

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and how about all of that sports equipment that uses up a crapload of energy such as treadmills. oh and better also put a limit on all of those Hitachi magic wands that are very popular ;) 

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If I remember rightly there are only three factories in the whole world that make screens be they plasma or LCD or OLED so if they no longer produce the former then its more likely to be cost rather than pressure from political motivation.

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Gotta love this thread this is so typical of the declining quality of news.

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And then nothing when the story turns out to be a dud not even a retraction.

I consider WND to be a more reliable source of news than RT.

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Gotta love this thread this is so typical of the declining quality of news.rCcKruM.jpgAnd then moments later or days in some cases the story turns out to have been a dud,

I hope so, I like plasmas, and I know I'm not the only one (surely)
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why not get rid of old appliances that drain a hell of a lot more?! Again more knee-jerk-reactions just like the RoHS crap (Look up tin wiskers and you'll see why more electronics go bad sooner). -_-

 

Or CRT TVs. Have a program where you can trade in a bulky CRT TV that drains 6x more power or some older appliances that are ineffecient,for tax/credit  credit towards new ones or refurb ones for free??

 

That would have more of a positive impact than this move.

 

 

there's no point in a replacement program for CRT tv's in europe, they're pretty much all replaced here now and not nearly as common as they aqre in the US where they are pretty much also all gone. 

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The headline is misleading.

 

The law is banning inefficient screen plasma televisions. Liquid-crystal display flat screen television are unaffected.

 

I am not surprise at all that that this misleading information is coming from RT.

 

Not sure where you are getting your news from but your source seems worse than RT. Maybe The Sun? .. do they even carry news out of Brussels?

 

 

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Not sure where you are getting your news from but your source seems worse than RT. Maybe The Sun? .. do they even carry news out of Brussels?

 

(http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/18/brussels-targets-super-sized-tvs-in-drive-for-energy-efficiency)

 

Either way; The final nail in the coffin for plasma sets came with the death of the Kuro Pioneer lineup. Sure Panasonic bought their tech but even they seem to be winding down production slowly.

 

A shame really since the quality difference is still very noticeable.

 

Panasonic made Pioneer screens, Kuro was actually software, how the firmware controlled the drivers to create the deep blacks. Panasonic never got the license to recreate Kuro on their own sets, though the last panasonic models before they stopped making new models where pretty much up to Kuro standard anyway. 

 

Most people(though never officially confirmed, but also not denied) assume the death of plasma as the de-facto high end standard for home TV's is because Plasma simply couldn't reproduce the high pixel density (PPI) required by 4k. (notice that plasma generally started at 37 inches, and usually you only got full HD at 42, though there was a few crappy 37 inch full HD ones.)

 

It's unfortunate since, LCD(LED) can't compete with it's lack of contrast and edge bleed and bleed through. and while OLED can compete with the Dynamic contrast levels, it can't compete with actual contrast level and color range of a Plasma. 

 

Either way, Kuro wasn't a nail in the coffin, Kuro was killed because Pioneer sold so ridiculously few plasma sets because the high end tv market is a very very small niche. Panasonic sold way more than they ever did. For regular TV even the plasma enthusiast is more than happy with a regular modern mid end LED LCD. for movies, most will rather have size, and then you need a projector anyway. 

 

I can tell you from experience, no amount of high quality screen, can compete with a 120+ inch movie screen from ~3-4 meters.

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