Anticipating Windows 10 RTM - would It Be Build 10400 or Build 10800?


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Anticipating Windows 10 RTM - would It Be Build 10400 or Build 10800?

 

 I believe it's good time to end my previous thread about win10, as we should expect win10 to RTM in the near future. To start, I wish to recommend reading a thread posted in PCBeta by a ex-MS engineer, he told interesting stories about the removal of Aero-glass, and the initial development of the Start Menu:

http://bbs.pcbeta.com/forum.php?mod=...ad&tid=1602617

The thread is quite long, if you couldn't get a good translation on some statements, I would try to give you a proper translation.

OK, back on topic, some time ago I have posted some rumors(take with salt) about Win10RTM:

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As you might notice from the Newegg win10 pre-order page :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832588491

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The expected release date is Aug 31(that could change), so at least for now, the rumored Aug GA date still holds.

As for RTM sign-off, some guys had posted rumor that win10 sign-off would be expected around mid Jul to Jul 22, but until about 2 weeks ago, what I heard was the 1st RTM sign-off candidate 10400.16384 would be expected around Jun 28(yes, it's a Sunday), anyway, all these are just rumors, so, que sera sera.

As for the RTM build no., many people already know that RTM nos have to be a multiple of 16 and 100, and I have mentioned about it in a previous post :

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/thr...=1#post1033462

So, there are 2 candidates, build 10400 or build 10800. Some people deducted from the fact that since win7 was 7600 and win8 was 9200, therefor win10 should be 10800. Now refer to the blog by a MS Engineer, Raymond Chen(incidentally, he was also mentioned in the PCBeta guy's post):

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../jj663498.aspx

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So, if MS was able to do that, they would have used the next best choice of 8800 for win8RTM, but they couldn't, also, the difference of 1600 in RTM's between previous versions didn't mean anything.

Currently win10 is on 101xx, so the next candidate for RTM is naturally 10400, there is simply no reason for MS to make another 400 no. jump to 10800. :)

 

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My bet goes to 10400, they are slowing things, no big jumps on buzzfeed. I would say 10240. Anyway who knows.

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I would bet 10400. I don't think they will chew through enough builds to surpass that number before RTM.

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Just had this pop-up on my 8.1 Pro

 

Notice white windows logo running in system tray

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Just had this pop-up on my 8.1 Pro

 

Notice white windows logo running in system tray

All win7/8/8.1 recevied it, it doesn't mean you would get a free legit activated win10, unless your win7/8/8.1 was legit activated.

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Of course it's legit.

It may be worth the price to just buy the oem install media for 10 though (as I probably will) if 10 is as wacky as 8 is for clean re-install/recovery.

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1. there was also a rumor that, based on the MS FAQ page mentioning that "for people who reserved win10 upgrade, there may be some downloads of files to smooth out the upgrade ...", and some guys said that there would be a download of a win10 image prior to Jul 29, then on or after Jul 29 it would just download the delta to change the image as a RTM installation.

I doubt about this saying(it might be true), because in all the win10 preview releases, MS didn't release any delta to change the old preview build to a new preview build, there is always a download of the full ESD of the new release, so I doubt if MS would suddenly do it for such important release as the RTM.

 

2. In Terry's blog about win10 release on Jul 29 he mentioned that win10 machines would also be available on Jul 29, that means the OEM people had to complete manufacturing, shipping and distribution to retailers before Jul 29.

 

There was a rumor about win10 expect to sign-off around mid-Jul, now it means the OEM has just 2 weeks to finish their job, I doubt if it could be done.

 

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3. People are anxiously waiting for build 10134 and hope it would come out "in these few days". I heard there is a new release scheduled for next week, maybe it's 10134, maybe some newer build ....... hope I am wrong though. :)

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OK, now Gabe is telling something more definite, and what we like to hear(thank God!), is much better than those ##### MS guys in the MS forums who kept saying "If you clean install win10 after Jul 29, 2016, you need to buy a license.".

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yeah reserved my copy. simply give your email address and they'll inform us about when we can download our copy

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Just to remind you guys to check this out, especially those who had difficulties in getting the GWX icons (but finally got it done):

1. click on the icon, the reservation window will pop-up, now click on the hamburger on top left and get the drop down menu.


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2. Click "Your PC is ready", and see if it reports of any issues found, I am interested to know if it also checks the activation channel, and warn against activation thru vol MAK or KMS. tongue.gif


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Btw, there's something interesting about Win10SKU, back in Apr 2014, MJF reported about Enterprise standalone(single license) edition:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...iness-line-up/

But in the MS announcement of win10 SKU, they didn't mention this edition, also, they didn't mention if there's a price for Enterprise single-license when they announced the price of Pro and Home.

Another interesting thing is, when MS replied to MJF, they said there won't be a Enterprise OEM, but then, a MDL member(@pisthai) said that (forgot where he posted) the MS Thailand sales people told him there will be a Enterprise OEM, seems a year has passed, MS had changed their minds(which actually is not surprising, they always change their minds, LOL).

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A little off-topic, but do you guys expect some major stuff in the consumer preview? Everyone keeps saying that the UI things will be added when the CP is released, but I really doubt anything important will change...

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A little off-topic, but do you guys expect some major stuff in the consumer preview? Everyone keeps saying that the UI things will be added when the CP is released, but I really doubt anything important will change...

 

What Consumer Preview? There is no such thing, nor will there be. Why would they release another different preview when the product is out in a little over 6 weeks time? No, what we have now in 10130 is essentially feature complete, and will just be refined and bug-fixed until the RTM date between now an July 29th.

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What Consumer Preview? There is no such thing, nor will there be. Why would they release another different preview when the product is out in a little over 6 weeks time? No, what we have now in 10130 is essentially feature complete, and will just be refined and bug-fixed until the RTM date between now an July 29th.

Well I guess I got confused by ""The technical preview isn't the way to get an idea of what to expect in the consumer preview, nor is it the place for developers to get to grips with what Windows 10 can do either. This is very much for our enterprise users," . So the Insider preview is actually the consumer preview?

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Well I guess I got confused by ""The technical preview isn't the way to get an idea of what to expect in the consumer preview, nor is it the place for developers to get to grips with what Windows 10 can do either. This is very much for our enterprise users," . So the Insider preview is actually the consumer preview?

No, there never has been anything like a "Consumer Preview" planned. This is just terminology that some people have taken from Windows 8 and tried to throw out on Windows 10 as a fact (there has been a long time that multiple sources claimed that we would get a Consumer Preview in January, never happened. The Insider Preview is just the 3rd stage of the Technical Preview (the second stage was "Technical Preview 2") and the final stage before final release. "Insider Preview" might as well be the name for any future update, including for Threshold 2 and Redstone.
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No, there never has been anything like a "Consumer Preview" planned. This is just terminology that some people have taken from Windows 8 and tried to throw out on Windows 10 as a fact (there has been a long time that multiple sources claimed that we would get a Consumer Preview in January, never happened. The Insider Preview is just the 3rd stage of the Technical Preview (the second stage was "Technical Preview 2") and the final stage before final release. "Insider Preview" might as well be the name for any future update, including for Threshold 2 and Redstone.

Oh, ok, so basically what we see right now is what we'll get as a final release (without the bugs, hopefully). Thanks for the clarification :)

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Here's somew infos I just got, note that it's not MS official, so take with salt : :) 

Note 1: Don't ask me wtf is Upgrade Verification Key, or how to get it, I don't know, take a wild guess yourselves.
Note 2: My friend said if your "win7 OEM" has only OA2.1, it's not enough to be verified as genuine.

About Win7/8.1 free upgrade to win10

The upgrade only applies to OEM, retail, MSDN retail
The upgrade does not apply to KMS, MAK

The upgrade does not check if the Windows is genuine while in the process of upgrading, non-genuine Windows could be upgraded to win10.

The following infos will be sent and stored in MS "activation server":
1. HWID, supports SID
2. IP address
3. Upgrade Verification Key
4. Date & Time

When the above datas are authenticated, the device will be verified as activated, activation is tied to this device.

A service will be running in win10, if it is disabled, win10 will crash.

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Here's somew infos I just got, note that it's not MS official, so take with salt : :) 

Note 1: Don't ask me wtf is Upgrade Verification Key, or how to get it, I don't know, take a wild guess yourselves.

Note 2: My friend said if your "win7 OEM" has only OA2.1, it's not enough to be verified as genuine.

About Win7/8.1 free upgrade to win10

The upgrade only applies to OEM, retail, MSDN retail

The upgrade does not apply to KMS, MAK

The upgrade does not check if the Windows is genuine while in the process of upgrading, non-genuine Windows could be upgraded to win10.

The following infos will be sent and stored in MS "activation server":

1. HWID, supports SID

2. IP address

3. Upgrade Verification Key

4. Date & Time

When the above datas are authenticated, the device will be verified as activated, activation is tied to this device.

A service will be running in win10, if it is disabled, win10 will crash.

This is awesome news. This means that we can forget Windows keys forever for our devices. Looking forward on how this will play out.

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This is awesome news. This means that we can forget Windows keys forever for our devices. Looking forward on how this will play out.

I translated from Chinese about this "upgrade verification key", my guess it's simply another term for a COEM key. :)

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