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Sep 5 2006, 04:47
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Quote - In a recent showcase, I highlighted five things I really like about Windows Vista. That's a cute list, and certainly, I could easily come up with another 5, or 10, or 20. And you know, maybe I'll do just that. But first, I'd like to discuss a number of problems I have with Windows Vista. This, to be honest, is a long list. That doesn't mean that Windows Vista is a waste of time, or a product to be reviled. As a friend once noted, "it's good enough to criticize." Well, maybe. It certainly deserves to be criticized. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_rc1_worst.asp 
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Sep 5 2006, 05:00
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Very good read, and I have to say that to me personally the user interface is what makes or breaks the OS when it comes to everyday use, so far Vista has taken a step back from Windows XP in that perspective.
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Sep 5 2006, 05:04
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Quote - (macro @ Sep 5 2006, 01:00) [snapback]587852121[/snapback]
Very good read, and I have to say that to me personally the user interface is what makes or breaks the OS when it comes to everyday use, so far Vista has taken a step back from Windows XP in that perspective.
It's growing on me. And I've only played with an old pre-beta-2 build back in the day. It looks great from the screens.
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Sep 5 2006, 05:07
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Quote - (McG @ Sep 5 2006, 00:04) [snapback]587852133[/snapback]
It's growing on me. And I've only played with an old pre-beta-2 build back in the day. It looks great from the screens.
Did you read that though? The button placement, removal of buttons and menus and even inconsistency for menus across the system, even Windows XP didn't have that. They don't know what direction they are trying to bring the UI in, so it's all over the place. Look at ribbons on Office as well. I haven't used Vista for more than half an hour so I don't know first hand how bad it is myself, but the nice thing about Windows is that at least you can customize it for yourself in some ways. The glass looks clean and nice in some parts, the UI is just not there though :\
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Sep 5 2006, 05:12
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Most people will find Vista useless as an upgrade to Windows XP. It eats more memory and requires a decent video card to get Aero to work. It's sort of the deluxe version of Windows XP with a hefty price tag.
Most of the so called features are already being done by third party software. A few things are pretty good though like the image based install.
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Sep 5 2006, 05:13
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Quote - And take User Account Control (UAC), please. No seriously, please take it. And kill it. And stomp on its dead body. And then hang it on a flag pole as a warning to others.   I love when Paul makes his childish terms... may be Paul should read this: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=492324
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Sep 5 2006, 05:19
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Quote - (Tech_Dude_5000 @ Sep 5 2006, 00:13) [snapback]587852149[/snapback] I love when Paul makes his childish terms... may be Paul should read this: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=492324 It's cool that you can turn it off, but ask yourself, should you have to?
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Sep 5 2006, 05:22
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Quote - (macro @ Sep 4 2006, 22:19) [snapback]587852157[/snapback]
It's cool that you can turn it off, but ask yourself, should you have to? what do you mean? turn off UAC or turn off the secure desktop?
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Sep 5 2006, 05:23
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Quote - (hardgiant @ Sep 5 2006, 00:12) [snapback]587852148[/snapback]
Most people will find Vista useless as an upgrade to Windows XP. It eats more memory and requires a decent video card to get Aero to work. It's sort of the deluxe version of Windows XP with a hefty price tag.
unfortunately you'll have to upgrade to it at some point no matter what. i like xp better - but eventually they'll start releasing updates that only run on Vista... maybe IE 9 or WMP 13 try installing windows 2000 today and see how much great stuff you can't even install on it.... wish i could run xp for another 5 years!
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Sep 5 2006, 05:24
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So True So True...
I wont buy Vista until there an nLite for Vista that remove the UAC and the Sidebar...
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Sep 5 2006, 05:26
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Quote - (Tech_Dude_5000 @ Sep 5 2006, 00:22) [snapback]587852162[/snapback]
what do you mean? turn off UAC or turn off the secure desktop?
Both, they are both incredibly annoying and not the smoothest way to secure it don't you agree?
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Sep 5 2006, 05:31
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Quote - (reactionary007 @ Sep 4 2006, 22:23) [snapback]587852165[/snapback]
unfortunately you'll have to upgrade to it at some point no matter what. i like xp better - but eventually they'll start releasing updates that only run on Vista... maybe IE 9 or WMP 13
try installing windows 2000 today and see how much great stuff you can't even install on it.... wish i could run xp for another 5 years! Why not? there are people that still use 98?  Just upgrade to XP SP3 when it comes out. It should come out around the same time Vista SP1 comes out and should feature WinFS IE7, Media player 11 and a few other apps... may be even SP4. witch may feature all the updates in Vista SP2. but by that time, we will be preparing for vienna and XP extended surport will die a year later
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Sep 5 2006, 05:32
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Quote - (macro @ Sep 5 2006, 00:07) [snapback]587852139[/snapback]
Did you read that though? The button placement, removal of buttons and menus and even inconsistency for menus across the system, even Windows XP didn't have that. They don't know what direction they are trying to bring the UI in, so it's all over the place. Look at ribbons on Office as well. I haven't used Vista for more than half an hour so I don't know first hand how bad it is myself, but the nice thing about Windows is that at least you can customize it for yourself in some ways. The glass looks clean and nice in some parts, the UI is just not there though :\
Office 2007 is rather beautiful to bad Vista isn't design as well and as thoroughly. Hell all I wanted Vista to bring where better dialog boxes and things that only could be done at the OS level. I have firefox as my browser and it is feature loaded. I have Directory Opus as my File Manager and it is feature loaded. The only thing that annoys me are the really poorly designed dialog boxes like open and save, browse for a folder and perhaps the worst is the icon dialog box.
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Sep 5 2006, 05:33
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Quote - (macro @ Sep 4 2006, 22:26) [snapback]587852173[/snapback]
Both, they are both incredibly annoying and not the smoothest way to secure it don't you agree? yep. The tip improved it a bit. you can X out or click ok or cancel and get back to your work more faster. and you can even go tasks while the UAC is up, but it still acts like pop ups in a web browser..
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Sep 5 2006, 05:40
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Quote - (Tech_Dude_5000 @ Sep 5 2006, 00:33) [snapback]587852185[/snapback]
yep. The tip improved it a bit. you can X out or click ok or cancel and get back to your work more faster. and you can even go tasks while the UAC is up, but it still acts like pop ups in a web browser..
Well you know I hope they just implement lots of Paul's suggestions before it's final. I'm not in the position where I have to use it anyways so I don't care that much but it's just common sense stuff I think.
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