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Post #121
Jun 10 2009, 02:08
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Quote - (drhowarddrfine @ Jun 8 2009, 14:37)  Bing is dead. It's rise to number 2 was a one day only deal.Not only did it quickly fall back to number 3, it fell to search levels below Live. drhowarddrfine, you couldn't be more wrong  Please read this article - We're not in Omaha any more: Microsoft's Bing share on the riseBing is far from dead
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Post #122
Jun 10 2009, 03:48
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Quote - (Calum @ Jun 9 2009, 21:08)  drhowarddrfine, you couldn't be more wrong  Nothing I said was wrong. Quote - Bing is far from dead  No one used Live for search and Bing, today, is only slightly higher than nothing. And that's with an $80 million dollar ad campaign supporting it right now. Once the campaign goes away, so will Bing. Technology of other companies will surpass it just as it has passed Microsoft overall. (In case anyone missed it, 3 years ago I said Microsoft doesn't matter anymore.)
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Post #123
Jun 10 2009, 03:56
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Quote - (Deacon Frost @ Jun 7 2009, 15:56)  How do you figure? Allowing a company to branch out, and take control of even more scenarios is what makes them a monopoly. I said Microsoft was a monopoly in a joking manner, if you didn't catch that. For one, it's not a monopoly yet (because linux, and apple still exist), but to give them more things which they can use to hold against users is just a horrible idea.
The whole thing is, when Microsoft gets control of something, they not only control it, they use it against people to siphon more money out of their pockets. Giving them better results for a new project they launched will only give them more control in something they don't need control over.
Google has done well for the internet, even if they do have less than noble reasons. They don't make it required to have them on your computer, nor do they force you to use their technology for what other people release.
So, giving them more stuff for use = bad. Now how in the world do you figure that Bing is going to forced upon you? Microsoft has enough trouble with antitrust law around the world to be caught doing something like that. Microsoft is legally defined a monopoly in the US and other parts of the world because it does control around 90% of the market in operating systems and over 75% of the market in word processing software. A company doesn't have to have $100 of the market to be a monopoly, they just have to control the market with a subvtantially larger share than the next nearest competitor (Apple in this case.) Google is doing every thing you accuse Microsoft of trying to do with our internet data and searches. With Google litterally every where you turn on the web, you are forced to submit data to Google. Many sites use Google to power their search engine on their own web page, so you are forced to use Google almost daily.
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Post #124
Jun 10 2009, 03:58
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lol @ forced to send data to google... wtf??
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Post #125
Jun 10 2009, 04:04
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Quote - (dwhall @ Jun 9 2009, 22:58)  lol @ forced to send data to google... wtf?? If you have third party cookies enabled, you are forced to send data to Google. Instead of making snide remarks, it might actually behoove you to research all the ways Google collects info on you without your knowlege or permission.
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Post #126
Jun 10 2009, 04:08
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Key word here is *Forced* Please look up that definition before responding to my lol @ being forced to comment
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Post #127
Jun 10 2009, 04:17
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lol, just tried out bing today I must say i love it. Love the way you can preview videos ( will play with it more later)
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Post #128
Jun 10 2009, 04:23
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Quote - (dwhall @ Jun 9 2009, 23:08)  Key word here is *Forced* Please look up that definition before responding to my lol @ being forced to comment  Being done without your permission is the very definition of forced. So yes in essence you are FORCED in sending your data to Google. So go ahead and please look up the definition yourself, hot shot.
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Post #129
Jun 10 2009, 04:35
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Quote - (drhowarddrfine @ Jun 10 2009, 04:48)  Nothing I said was wrong.
No one used Live for search and Bing, today, is only slightly higher than nothing. And that's with an $80 million dollar ad campaign supporting it right now. Once the campaign goes away, so will Bing. Technology of other companies will surpass it just as it has passed Microsoft overall. (In case anyone missed it, 3 years ago I said Microsoft doesn't matter anymore.) Some people used Live Search, just not very many. The reason why not many people used Live Search is because it just wasn't that good - simple as. Much of the functionality was the same as Bing but Bing has also added a whole wealth of technology and functionality on top of that, as well as enhancing it's relevancy and interface. Live Search had an awful homepage; whilst less minimal than Google, I actually think Google's didn't look as ugly. Now, Bing looks beautiful and functions very well, so it won't fail. It may not beat Google, but it won't fail as a search engine because it just works and works well. Hopefully it will beat Yahoo! in time and then be on it's way to beating Google, but it takes time. It takes time to beat a competitor in anything - these things don't just happen overnight like it seems you expect. If you read the article I linked to, it states that Bing's market share is slowly rising  Hopefully it's not just because of the market share; hopefully it's because people are trying it out and enjoying using it, but time will tell. Not only does it take time to beat the competition but it also takes time for users to adjust and change their searching habits. Search engines are one of the most used web services by individuals, so it will take time to adjust. I still typed in 'google.com' for a good few days after I switched to Bing and had to keep changing the URL to 'bing.com' each time - I did that automatically because I was used to Google. Now, though, I go straight to Bing as I am used to the transition. I stress again, Bing is far from dead  Quote - (soonerproud @ Jun 10 2009, 05:23)  Being done without your permission is the very definition of forced. So yes in essence you are FORCED in sending your data to Google. So go ahead and please look up the definition yourself, hot shot. I have to disagree. Being done without your permission is deceitful, but not forced. Forced would be if they made you use their search engine and didn't let you use another search engine, taking your details at the same time. You are not forced, because you can stop them from taking your details by using another search engine
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Post #130
Jun 10 2009, 04:39
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Quote - (Calum @ Jun 9 2009, 22:08)  Bing is far from dead  I should hope so, after the billions MS has lost on MSN-Live-Bing.com. With that much funding behind it, it would be an epic disaster if they couldn't get it past 10% marketshare. Now I wonder how long it will be before Google and Yahoo add the same pr0n video preview feature that has been driving the interest in Bing so far? I'm not knocking the feature at all, I just don't think it is a substitute for Google's more comprehensive search results.
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Post #131
Jun 10 2009, 04:49
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It's new, just wait and Google will be top dog in the park again.
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Post #132
Jun 10 2009, 04:50
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I've used Google forever and now find myself using bing more and more. I tried to use Live Search before but it seemed to irritate me, why bing doesn't? idk. Does the name sound stupid and child-like? yes. Am I going to keep using it? hell yeah.
The live video is so full of win.
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Post #133
Jun 10 2009, 04:50
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Quote - (soonerproud @ Jun 9 2009, 22:56)  it does control around 90% of the market in operating systems That's desktop operating systems and not operating systems overall. In that market I would guess it's less than 25%. Quote - and over 75% of the market in word processing software. I'm doubting that number, too, but you may be right. Quote - With Google litterally every where you turn on the web, you are forced to submit data to Google. Many sites use Google to power their search engine on their own web page, so you are forced to use Google almost daily. But a monopoly must not only control a market but also prevent or limit entry by competitors into that market. Also, submitting a search query is not what I would call forced submission of data. That's how these tools work and can't in any other way.
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Post #134
Jun 10 2009, 04:50
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Quote - (ew2x4 @ Jun 5 2009, 23:25)  It's probably all the porn. yeah, I agree...definitely due to the free porn videos!
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Post #135
Jun 10 2009, 04:52
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Quote - (cyansky @ Jun 9 2009, 23:49)  It's new, just wait and Google will be top dog in the park again. What makes you think they aren't still?
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