I don't think it will be useful for any functional purpose and why waste our time on MAC OS when we have more useful applications on IBM PC and fairly good WIN XP OS, yes for the emulation sake
we can design our desktop like MAC and I think we are very good at that, in any case emulator are very sluggish and can't be used for any useful purpose. http://www.neowin.net/forum/style_images/N...B-674/icon7.gif
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noone is putting a gun to your head forsing you to use it, or to even view this thread

I give it a week of hype before everyone realizes it is useless. Except for you Jackalo, I'm sure it will run Sherlock just fine and while you are at it you might want to check out a program called Watson. Its an OS X Sharware version of Sherlock except much better.

In any case it may do some good for Apple is people are able to try out OS X before buying a Mac. I was always a firm believer that Apple should do something like this but just as a live demo disc so Windows/PC users could try out OS X before they went and got a Mac.

Or ya kno, they could try a mac at a store?

Anyways how man CD's is panther and how many do i need for this? Whats teh final image size I just have to wait for my cd's to arrive. Can't Wait! Gonna be at least a week

Do not tell me you bought Panther for this.

Have you ever actually USED a Mac? I mean, for Christ's sake you're using terms like "IBM PC" which leads me to believe you're still in that mid-late 80's mindset. Ever since I bought my G5 I've been using my PC MUCH less than I used to.

What apps do you use?

The only REAL advantage Windows has is in gaming. That's it.

Hell, even Kismet works on the Mac...with an Orinoco card.

Mike

I have to agree with that.

What I was talking about using OS X on a x86 pc for the first time was....It's never been done before. And yes it has been emulated on the atari....but never truly working on a wintel machine.

Nope, im getting my powerbook soon and my neighbour wants panther anyways on her G3 iMac, so shes gonna buy it off me.

Or you could use KisMAC which works with both AirPort and AirPort Extreme cards. It also supports passive scanning and some encription hacking tools.

If you are buying a PowerBook why are you buying Panther seperatly? It comes with it. Plus Tiger should be out this fall/winter.

I think the point is more, if you had a Windows PC, what program does Apple offer that you would have to emulate it to use?

I could use them interchangably, but I don't see the point for using both of them.

Why didnt you buy it from a store like futureshop?






Chris

Well, KisMAC is the app I was referring to, but I didn't think people would actually think it was a real port since it had the MAC on the end of it.

Mike

The iApps kick ass, and there are NO apps on the Wintel side that even come close to them. Emulating them would be a bitch, though, and the hardware integration that works on the Mac would surely break with this emulator. I'd like to see this emulator suck in Audio and Video in real time, even after it matures.

I use Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro for my stuff. Photoshop is sweet on the Mac. There are a lot of little apps that the Mac has that I use all the time.

I used to turn on my Mac and my PC every day when I came home from work. Now I boot my PC only when I want to play UT2K4.

Mike

I agree. There are a lot of tiny apps that Mac has that I would use daily, but can't because I'm on a Wintel machine. Just, I've had my PC for a long time and wouldn't want to spend a whack of money to purchase a nice shiney new Mac.

Ok just got back this app ****** windows up lol meh I know you will flame me I didnt have nothing important on it so np

Emulation is of course not the answer for running iApps or basically anything else on a daily basis (except Sherlock).

People make it seem like switching to a Mac is something that is near impossible. It really is easier than most people think whithin a week of buying my Mac last year I sold my PC. The only advantage a PC has is games and I have a console for that.

Both platforms have their advantages for some people and if one has more apps you are going to use then its time to move. Everyone can complain about the cost of a Mac but if you would save some money its not a big deal. The eMac is a great machine for someone who wants to add another computer to their house.

Just my opinions.

i don't think apple is too worried about this. they could go a lot of ways on this. they could go the legal route and try to shut it down, but i don't think apple wants to go this way, and if i was steve jobs, i wouldn't. sure, it's nice you have a 3ghz pc, but you're never really going to have the design. you could be like that one guy with the g5 case and toss a bunch of pc parts in, but then you don't have the quiet fan system. i think the way apple should proceed on this one is looking at it in a "we could expand our market out there". this will never match apple's pro computers, even at a final release. they could increase the authorization required (like windows xp) to make sure people are paying for osx and easily make tons of money. $130 a year, a major release every year... sure, probably not as nice as the chunk of change apple gets per ipod or per g5, but still a nice little lump of money.

Not trying to flame, but why do you think that? I use iMac G4 800mhz with 768MB RAM machines at school, for work with Photoshop and Illistrator and christ, it sucks. Both of those programs run like total ass on those machines, and I'd imagine it would take atleast double the power of those machines to run it decently.

Fast forward 6 months...this should be much cooler.

I'm running it on a dual 2.0GHz G5 so my experience is much different than yours.

It's fast, it's smooth, and the response time for simple things are practically instantaneous.

Mike

still no answer, what is JITS?

apple has ****ed adobe off, now they are opimising photoshop and the rest of their adobe products for the x86 architecture.

see, the reason why school computer is slow is cuz there are a lot of poeple using that machine. everyone handles the computer differently. thats why schools replace their computer every so often. my school are now using emac just last year we were using the same one your using.

Uh, they optimize for BOTH platforms.

Mike

I actually Disagree with you here.... I work with pretty much every adobe product that is out there at work... I can tell you I have a G4 1ghz with only 512mb of ram on 10.3.3 and I can assure you that My mac beats the hell out of my PC with apps like Photoshop CS and Illustrator CS... Some apps just are not built around mac because there is no need for it. For exmaple you will never see a Photoshop Albums for the Mac... because you Iphoto... You will never see Encore DVD for the Mac because you have Idvd... Some apps that adobe has decide to drop such as framemaker and Premier are for good reason, Mac has there own apps like final Cut pro, Motion and so forth that are built right from apple and adobe see no reason to compete with that because why by something from adobe when apple can just package it with there products for a lower cost.
I will agree that the new age adobe products run a little slower then past versions, but they do so much more and I can assure you that Adobe has not forgotten the mac, I can say that almost 70% of the people I deal with everyday are mac users, and they do get slowing but it aint any better for x86.... I mean try running photoshop 7, CS and Photoshop Elements 2.0 on your mac at the same time and you will see that it can be done... then open up the same apps on the PC with similar of not better specs then your mac and you will see the differnce in preformace.

I keep getting a
"HFS+ has no backup volume header. skipping..."
error. Has anyone else had this problem? I created the ISO of 10.3 on a mac and copied them to the pc, but I can't get it to go any further... any help appreciated.

Come on don't get off topic. This isn't about Adobe.

I'm getting "You cannot install Mac OS X on this volume. You cannot start up your computer using this volume."

Any ideas?

Gheeezus, you people, what was wrong with just running Apple's Darwin OS on your x86..... I hear its a LITTLE FASTER

It doesn't have Aqua. Duh.

So now that you've all had your fun arguing, let's get back to making it work.

I have the Mandrake 9.1 PPC, Apple Hardware Test, and Mac OS X Panther CDs. I also have a G4 tower next to my PC but I don't know how to do very much with it other than installing Panther... Can someone walk me through making the ISOs of the Panther CDs on the Mac (since it supposedly doesn't work on a PC)? When I set pci_ide0_master_image to a path like "\\.\D:" (cdrom) then, like windows, it will think any of the Mac CDs in there are raw data and it can't boot them. I was also thinking of taking the hard drive out of the Mac, putting it in my PC, and then somehow pointing pearpc to it (not sure how since Windows will think it is uninitialized and therefore not have a drive letter). Anyways, first I would like to try using cd images, so could anyone tell me how to make them on the Mac?

Rip the ISOs with Alcohol 120% on a PC.

not if you download the experimental verson! it uses a itsc thingy so its only 40 times slower! so on my 3GHz pc, that would mean about.... 75mhz

how do I convert .dmg.sit file to .iso?

google....

looks like u need at least a linux

no, works on windows

First, unstuff it.

Next, copy the *.dmg file to a Macintosh running OS X and use Disk Util to convert it to a *.cdr.

Finally, copy it back to your Windows machine and rename the extension to *.iso.

There is NO other way to convert DMG files to ISO.

Arg, in the darwin installation it gets the point of asking me which partition to install it onto but there are no partitions so it mucks up!

Anyone know how to partition it?

Guys... this is a .01 release, Daz actually got Panther installed and _temporarily_ working. For a .01 release, that is astonishing. I can't wait to see how this project evolves.

Make sure that you have the primary master enabled (set to 1 instead of 0)

And as for partitioning it...

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/installdarwin.html

Think I'll wait til its developed a little further, no point in wasting time over something with so many bugs.

Ever hear of Adobe Premiere Pro? Adobe Encore DVD? AVID DV?

I do professional video editing for a local TV station, all on macs, and I have many problems with editing on OS X/Final Cut Pro. 75% of everything is the same in FCP, Premiere, and Avid. But the other 25% in FCP isn't the better of the three (in most cases..). The dock, the most 'annoyingist' thing of the century, bugs the **** out of me. It's always in your way; even if you autohide it. Those bouncing icons.. gah.

I'd take a PC over an Mac anyday for video production or image editing. This is comming from someone who is paid to edit video for a living; not someone that does this for fun. Trust me, if your in these apps every day, you get past the pretty aqua look real fast.

Edit: Just to clarify, I have a Dual 1.2ghz G4, 2gb of RAM, 4x36.6gb SCSI HDs, 23" HD Studio Display, and a 19" CRT (for the clips window mostly..).

But hell, who am I to bash a mac. A mac is a mac; it gets done what a PC could do. A PC is a PC; it gets done what a Mac could do. Macs have been able to emulate x86 for a long time, it was only a matter of time before x86's would be able to emulate a PPC.

If your a PCer who wants to get his feet dirty on a mac, by all means mess around with this app ;-). But me, I'll wait for 0.6 or even 1.0 before I even seriously clear HD room for another virtual image

I've been tinkering with the source code, and may have found a way to speed things up. There is a hard limit in the source code to 10MHz in \cpu_generic\ppc_cpu.h

I'll post my findings in a bit.

These computers are used for only a few classes, and thats it. I have been using these machines since they bought them, and they've always been like ****.

I don't have a mac right now, is there any way to do it on windows?

Is it possible to get a 1:1 cpu speed (not with the current stuff.. but I mean.. is it at all possible?).

What would be the best-case-scenario for the Host:Guest CPU speed? (again, not with the current app; but at all)

only true way to get 1:1 speed is to have a PPC processor rider card installed into your system. Apple use to do this with older PowerPC's they had 486DX processor cards installed in their systems so emulation wasnt nesacery. In an emulated environment though, 1:1 is near impossible because of the conversion of instruction on PPC to instruction to x86 takes more then one instruction to do, therefore loss in cycles, so in the end reduction of performance

haha - i can't even find out how to install GCC