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McG
Quote - (~~NeYo~~ @ May 28 2004, 17:05)
Why is this thread NOW moved to 'Discussing Mac OS'. It blatantly ISN'T Discussing Mac OS, but emulation for an application designed for Windows and Linux. What use is this thread to Mac users? None - All it does do, IMO is draw more 'Windows' users to a forum for which they have no base - probably increasing trolling in the process - could someone please move this thread to somewhere where it'd be more fitting?!

Lol. Is this a joke? It's a discussion about running Mac Os. Lol you've got to be kidding me. Lol!
eaglebtc
Quote -
Why is this thread NOW moved to 'Discussing Mac OS'. It blatantly ISN'T Discussing Mac OS, but emulation for an application designed for Windows and Linux.


Agreed. Not that I would openly participate in "mod sassery," but there really isn't any place to make this thread less conspicuous. It's already gotten lots of attention and PearPC isn't going away anytime soon. Maybe the mods should just put it back?
Steve
Quote - (eaglebtc @ May 28 2004, 18:11)
^^^^^
Agreed. Not that I would openly participate in "mod sassery," but there really isn't any place to make this thread less conspicuous. It's already gotten lots of attention and PearPC isn't going away anytime soon.

Maybe it belongs in the Customization and Skinning section?

I don't know about the suggestion you made, but i really CANNOT understand why a thread about a Windows (mainly) application would fall into a forum, where Windows applications natively do not run... wacko.gif

Whatever next - 'Skin your PC to look like Aqua' *moved* to Customizing your Mac

Its gotta be moved. IMO
Tekmaven
This is what I've been saying all along! It doesn't belong anywhere! And one HUGE thread isn't good! (I've changed my board settings to 40 posts per page, that makes it *better*)

I'm posting this from my PearPC Mac OS X 10.3.4 :-). As aformentioned, can someone tell me where/how to get a 15gb iso?
eaglebtc
^^^
I too would like to know how he makes those disk images smile.gif 5MB isn't big enough. Maybe a 100MB temp file would be better.
Tekmaven
This is just so funny. Mac'ish people have been complaining about Windows people for so long. Windows people were 'wannabes' when we skinned our XP installs to look like OS X. Now that Windows people can really run Mac OS X, I can feel the hate even more :-).
Steve
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 28 2004, 18:20)
This is just so funny. Mac'ish people have been complaining about Windows people for so long. Windows people were 'wannabes' when we skinned our XP installs to look like OS X. Now that Windows people can really run Mac OS X, I can feel the hate even more :-).

lol, why would 'they' / 'we' hate? I just don't any more trolls than the norm, in these Mac forums.. I personally don't care for PPC emulation, I know how OS X is on slow computers, so i really would not envy any of you guys doing it. Fair play for wanting to or whatever, but emulating OS X is a joke... laugh.gif
ProtoKick
edited for stupidty
I can't get safari to work tongue.gif I'll try something else before I post here
kairon
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 28 2004, 13:20)
This is just so funny. Mac'ish people have been complaining about Windows people for so long. Windows people were 'wannabes' when we skinned our XP installs to look like OS X. Now that Windows people can really run Mac OS X, I can feel the hate even more :-).

I'm not hateful against this, because I can just use my real 17" FP iMac which I know is way faster then this emulator will ever be. wink.gif
Tekmaven
Quote - (~~NeYo~~ @ May 28 2004, 12:22)
lol, why would 'they' / 'we' hate? I just don't any more trolls than the norm, in these Mac forums.. I personally don't care for PPC emulation, I know how OS X is on slow computers, so i really would not envy any of you guys doing it. Fair play for wanting to or whatever, but emulating OS X is a joke... laugh.gif

Well, I guess I made too big of a generalization, my appologies. You'd be suprised about PearPC: on my Athlon XP 2800+ with 1GB of ram (512 for OSX), the emulated Mac runs pretty well (considering it's version 0.2pre, and features are still comming in, etc). It's no real mac: I'm not even going to attempt installing Final Cut Pro, so something to that nature, but I can forsee PearPC getting good enough to allow that. At work, I have a Dual G4 1.2ghz (if iI can recall, I don't usually go into 'about this mac' ;-) but I'll look tomorrow), and this is no comparison to it.

I think Apple is going to be very happy (not publiclly rofl.gif) about PearPC. Instead of people not buying Macs, I predict the opposite: this will cause more people to want a Mac.

One last note: I dont know how they do it, but the text on Neowin looks to much sexier in Safari then in IE/FireFox (Win32) ;-).
thekore
I think PearPC will soon Die... if not because of huge unstability but because Apple dont appriecate it and launch a law suit
Steve
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 28 2004, 18:33)
At work, I have a Dual G4 1.2ghz (if iI can recall, I don't usually go into 'about this mac' ;-) but I'll look tomorrow), and this is no comparison to it.

I think Apple is going to be very happy (not publiclly rofl.gif) about PearPC. Instead of people not buying Macs, I predict the opposite: this will cause more people to want a Mac.

One last note: I dont know how they do it, but the text on Neowin looks to much sexier in Safari then in IE/FireFox (Win32) ;-).

Thats why I'm not bothered! wink.gif It might inspire people to buy Mac's, maybe, but back to my original point - people need to be in these forums reading about Mac's, not about x86 applications ...

As for Font Rendering, yeah it really is nice. OmniWeb too is really nice. I think its' down to Cocoa Apps...
Tekmaven
Quote - (~~NeYo~~ @ May 28 2004, 12:48)
people need to be in these forums reading about Mac's, not about x86 applications

Your right. It think this thread does not belong here. However, I think people should post their questions about Mac OS X (even if they are running it in PearPC) here.

So, if you want to know how to mount a .dmg, ask it in the mac forums. If you want to know whats wrong with your config file, you should ask that in the windows forums..
Steve
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 28 2004, 18:54)
Your right. It think this thread does not belong here. However, I think people should post their questions about Mac OS X (even if they are running it in PearPC) here.

So, if you want to know how to mount a .dmg, ask it in the mac forums. If you want to know whats wrong with your config file, you should ask that in the windows forums..

exactly! smile.gif

Mac users surely don't want to be reading...

'How do i burn 'Panther_CD1.dmg' in Nero?' rolleyes.gif
Liquid
Quote - (~~NeYo~~ @ May 28 2004, 09:57)
exactly! smile.gif

Mac users surely don't want to be reading...

'How do i burn 'Panther_CD1.dmg' in Nero?' rolleyes.gif

Ya how do I burn that btw blink.gif

joking..^

But yah I agree, move this to application duscussion or to windows. keep it out of Macs forums.
Tekmaven
Quote - (~~NeYo~~ @ May 28 2004, 12:57)
Mac users surely don't want to be reading...

'How do i burn 'Panther_CD1.dmg' in Nero?' rolleyes.gif

I don't think anyone would want to see that biggrin.gif .

I would be the first one to respond: "RT*M"
Tekmaven
For all the Win32 users that want to make Hard Disks, turns out Windows comes with a tool.

the syntax:

CODE
fsutil file createnew <nameoffile> <sizeinbytes>


For the file size, just do this simple calculation: [#ofGByouWant] * 2 * 528482304.

So, to create the 15gb image file I wanted, I ran the command:

CODE
fsutil file createnew 15gb.img 15854469120


Just go into the Disk Utility (Applications -> Disk Utility), and format it :-).
OrangeSoul
im typing this in pearpc Mac OS X 10.3 emulated. running the internet biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
KeR
i noticed while running Safari in pearPC all the fonts on Neowin look funny....next time i'll take a picture.
gamestargrinder
argh
Fonze
PearPC may make or break a normal user's decision on whether they would want to switch to a mac, but it should never change a gamers mind. I run a p4 3ghz with 1gb of ram, and my comp is primarily used to play games, watch DVDs in college, and re-encode TV that i record on my server. Switching to a mac is completely impractical to me. that's why I like being able to use PearPC to atleast try out some of the stuff in OSX and run a mac app, if i find one that i need at some point.

that is the flaw with emulating a PC on a Mac, you can't emulate the PC to play games. but on a PC i can play games and emulate the mac to do other things
klop
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 28 2004, 13:27)
For all the Win32 users that want to make Hard Disks, turns out Windows comes with a tool.

the syntax:

CODE
fsutil file createnew <nameoffile> <sizeinbytes>


For the file size, just do this simple calculation: [#ofGByouWant] * 2 * 528482304.

So, to create the 15gb image file I wanted, I ran the command:

CODE
fsutil file createnew 15gb.img 15854469120


Just go into the Disk Utility (Applications -> Disk Utility), and format it :-).

Wow!! Thanks thats very helpful! biggrin.gif
gamestargrinder
argh
ProtoKick
yeah I'm havin a helluva time too willvg hmm.gif
I've followed the guide step by step

http://dev.realistanew.com/win32net/

is there a particular reason why the ip addy is configured to 192.168.0.72 ?
Spyder
moved here as this is regarding PearPC..a Windows app.
klop
Now this thread is at the good place!
Nighthawk64
Because of the fact this thread is <bleep>ing huge, how do I change the memory size? I want it to be 192MB or 200MB or something..
Acezo
Quote - (iCeFuSiOn @ May 28 2004, 16:13)
Because of the fact this thread is <bleep>ing huge, how do I change the memory size? I want it to be 192MB or 200MB or something..

In your config,

Quote -
##
## Main memory (default 128 MiB)
## must be >= 64 MiB
##
## 0x8000000 (128mb)
## 0x10000000 (256mb)
## 0x20000000 (512mb)

memory_size=0x20000000

In your case, for 192
1024*1024*192 > hex
memory_size=0xC000000
aka JAWheat411
I used the config file in this guide here and it set a memory size of 128 megs
http://s87840517.onlinehome.us/pearpc.html
you can download config file from there.

But I got a config file here that had fullscreen and interent in it and it had 256 megs.
Tekmaven
Go into Windows calculator, and switch it to scientific mode. Make sure the 'Dec' radio button is selected, and do:

CODE
[MB of RAM you want] * 1024 * 1024


Next, click on the Hex radio button. Take the # that calc has, throw a 0x infront of it, and there is your number ;-).

So, if you want 256MB, do: 256 * 1024 * 1024 and click on Hex. The answer is 10000000, and then add a 0x in front of it, making your config setting: 0x10000000.
XanDaMan
I was wondering why it was in discussing macOS.

Didnt want that forum flooded with why aint xx working in pearPC....
PureEdit
Quote - (Fonze @ May 28 2004, 10:41)
PearPC may make or break a normal user's decision on whether they would want to switch to a mac, but it should never change a gamers mind. I run a p4 3ghz with 1gb of ram, and my comp is primarily used to play games, watch DVDs in college, and re-encode TV that i record on my server. Switching to a mac is completely impractical to me. that's why I like being able to use PearPC to atleast try out some of the stuff in OSX and run a mac app, if i find one that i need at some point.

that is the flaw with emulating a PC on a Mac, you can't emulate the PC to play games. but on a PC i can play games and emulate the mac to do other things

Except for a few games all that stuff is easier on a mac.

OS X can even record hdtv signals without extra hardware, all you need a ~500k app. I dont think windows can do that.
jack_canada
Quote - (OrangeSoul @ May 28 2004, 18:31)
im typing this in pearpc Mac OS X 10.3 emulated. running the internet biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

cool
Litespeed
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 29 2004, 08:22)
Go into Windows calculator, and switch it to scientific mode. Make sure the 'Dec' radio button is selected, and do:

CODE
[MB of RAM you want] * 1024 * 1024


Next, click on the Hex radio button. Take the # that calc has, throw a 0x infront of it, and there is your number ;-).

So, if you want 256MB, do: 256 * 1024 * 1024 and click on Hex. The answer is 10000000, and then add a 0x in front of it, making your config setting: 0x10000000.

And if you can actually get OS X to boot with anything other than 128mb then you're doing better than me rolleyes.gif
Tekmaven
Okay, here is my first tutorial for PearPC! This guide I just hope it doesn't get lost in the 100000s of posts in this thread! (Maybe I'll add it to the Wiki)

Requirements:
PearPC, Windows, Mac OS X

Tested using:
PearPC 0.2pre (Richard Goodwin's 05.28.04 AMD Optimized Build), Windows XP SP2 RC, Mac OS X 10.3.4

Abstract:
When I started with PearPC, I used the 3gb hard disk image. Quickly the 3gb disk image became filled up, and I required more space. Since I wanted to have a "CD" in PearPC, adding a second hard disk image wasn't possible. This guide will show you how to create a blank image file, add it to your PearPC config, use Mac OS X's disk utility to format it and copy the old disk to the new disk, make the disk bootable, and finally remove your old disk from the config file.

Since I can't figure out how to properly post "tabs", attached is a PDF of the entire step-by-step guide.
Quantic
Hi guys, I'm trying to install os x but it always gives me a error.

using PearPC 0.2pre Standard (non-CPU optimized), 3 GB .img [from Cat_7], XP SP1, OS X 10.3

if anyone can help me I leave here the cfg and the ss
note: I'm not using darwin

CODE
# PearPC Configuration File

#
# Resolution
#
# 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)
# 1: 640x480x15
# 2: 640x480x32
# 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)
# 4: 800x600x15
# 5: 800x600x32
# 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)
# 7: 1024x768x15
# 8: 1024x768x32
#
# The indexed modes are unsupported.
#
# default: 4
ppc_start_resolution = 5


#
# Redraw interval (in ms)
# must be between 1 and 999
#
# If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)
# but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal
# preference.
#
redraw_interval_msec = 200

#
# Loader
#

#
# Boot method
#  this can be
#  1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
#  2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
#  3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

# Example of how to use "force":
#prom_bootmethod = "force"
#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"
#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""
prom_env_machargs = "-v"

#
# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X
#

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"


# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)
#page_table_pa = 104857600

#
# CPU Config
#
# Processor Version Register
# Defaults to 0x00088302
# Only change if you know want you are doing
#
#cpu_pvr = 0x00088302


#
# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x8000000

#
# IO Devices
#

#
# PCI IDE Config
#
# Drive type will be set according to file extension:
#  .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)
#  .iso: CD-Rom
# Or you can override this by specifying the type via
# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "osx.img"
pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1
pci_ide0_slave_image = "C:\osx1.iso"
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"
pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#
# Network (unavailable on windows)
#
pci_3c90x_installed = 0
pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#
# USB
#
pci_usb_installed = 1

#
# NVRAM
#
nvram_file = "nvram"
Liquid
Quote - (Quantic @ May 28 2004, 14:06)
Hi guys, I'm trying to install os x but it always gives me a error.

using PearPC 0.2pre Standard (non-CPU optimized), 3 GB .img [from Cat_7], XP SP1, OS X 10.3

if anyone can help me I leave here the cfg and the ss
note: I'm not using darwin


It doesn't seem like you have your osx image im the right place. Double check if everything is in the right place. All files should be in the same folder. if they are remove that c:\ from your osx1.iso If your Also check the name of your osx cd 1 iso. Anothe member contacted me and corrected me. my guide had a mistake and he got the same error. is aid to rip the image to osx1.iso. But i ment rip it to osx.iso
aka JAWheat411
Theres your problem right there.
Your ISO should be listed something like this
Quote -

"C:\pearpc\OSX_CD1.iso"
The image file as well
Quote -

"C:\pearpc\HD-OS-X-Panther-PREP.img"

unless of course you are working right out of your "C" directory, but in every tutorial I have seen it says make a folder called "PearPC" on your drive.
Quantic
guys thanks for the fast replies, in fact I used Liquid cfg file, but the iso's were both renamed to osx1.iso,
look at the pearpc dir:
Liquid
Quote - (Quantic @ May 28 2004, 14:17)
Hi Liquid, thanks for the fast reply, in fact I only used your cfg file, but the iso's were both renamed to osx1.iso,
look at the pearpc dir:

remove the c:\ from the osx1.iso and you should be fine.
aka JAWheat411
Yeah I got a slightly different setup. I used the guide from http://s87840517.onlinehome.us/pearpc.html
I even start PearPC with a .bat file like in that guide.

Quote -
@echo off
cd pearpc-0.1.2-win32-jitc

ppc ppccfg_HD.txt


Not sure if it makes much difference really.
Quantic
ok I removed the c:\ like you said Liquid and now PearPC starts but I got this:
Liquid
Quote - (Quantic @ May 28 2004, 14:24)
ok I removed the c:\ like you said Liquid and now PearPC starts but I got this:

hmmm. Hmmm. I don't know confused.gif. Ill try to reproduce this error right now and fix it.
aka JAWheat411
Change your memory size from
Quote -

# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x8000000
to
Quote -

# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x10000000

see if that makes any difference.
Quantic
changed the memory spec and still same error...

I also have darwin if it helps...
aka JAWheat411
Here is my config file that has working internet and full screen. Just change the IMG and ISO to suit your needs. See if it fixes it. Make a copy of your old one first
Quote -
# PearPC Configuration File

##
## Resolution
##
## 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)
## 1: 640x480x15
## 2: 640x480x32
## 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)
## 4: 800x600x15
## 5: 800x600x32
## 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)
## 7: 1024x768x15
## 8: 1024x768x32
## 9: 1280x960x8 (indexed)
## 10: 1280x960x16
## 11: 1280x960x32
## 12: 1280x1024x8 (indexed)
## 13: 1280x1024x16
## 14: 1280x1024x32
##
## The indexed modes are unsupported.
##
## default: 4

ppc_start_resolution = 8

##
## Refresh Rate (in hertz)
## (only applicable in full screen mode )
##
## default: 60

fs_refresh_rate = 60

##
## Redraw interval (in ms)
## must be between 1 and 999
##
## If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)
## but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal
## preference.
##

redraw_interval_msec = 400

#
# Loader
#

#
# Boot method
# this can be
# 1. auto, prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
# 2. select, prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
# 3. force, prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

# Example of how to use force:
#prom_bootmethod = "force"
#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"
#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""
#prom_env_machargs = "-v"
prom_env_machargs = ""

#
# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X
#

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"


# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)
#page_table_pa = 104857600

#
# CPU Config
#
# Processor Version Register
# Defaults to 0x00088302
# Only change if you know want you are doing
#
#cpu_pvr = 0x00088302


#
# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
memory_size=0x10000000

#
# IO Devices
#

#
# PCI IDE Config
#
# Drive type will be set according to file extension:
# .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)
# .iso: CD-Rom
# Or you can override this by specifying the type via
# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "C:\pearpc\HD-OS-X-Panther-PREP.img"
pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1
pci_ide0_slave_image = "C:\pearpc\OSX_CD1.iso"
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"
pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#
# Network (unavailable on windows)
#
#pci_3c90x_installed = 0
#pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

pci_rtl8139_installed = 1
pci_rtl8139_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#
# USB
#
pci_usb_installed = 1

#
# NVRAM
#
nvram_file = "nvram"
Knight'
Quote - (Quantic @ May 28 2004, 23:17)
guys thanks for the fast replies, in fact I used Liquid cfg file, but the iso's were both renamed to osx1.iso,
look at the pearpc dir:

Where can I get that theme?

edit: found it thanks thumbs_up.gif
ProtoKick
how can I install office 2004? I've seen screenshots of ppl showing it off, but how?
Quantic
this is my new screen after I changed the prom from "select" to "auto" what does it mean?

@aka JAWheat411 I didn't tried your cfg yet...
aka JAWheat411
Quote - (Eastwood @ May 28 2004, 17:55)
how can I install office 2004? I've seen screenshots of ppl showing it off, but how?

With a Office 2004 ISO.
Just replace your Mac OS X cd in your config with the Office one.
Then open the cd in OS X and install.
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