aka JAWheat411
May 30 2004, 04:15
Dang that is nice.
Alot better than the batch file and config file I am using now lmao.
Hmm also makes me wonder will you be able to load your current config file into it? I would hate to have to figure out what all I got going.
nuka_t
May 30 2004, 04:18
tek you are my hero, sorta. im installing it right now using the old fashioned way. however, i would just love it if it was more user friendly.
quick question to help my install go faster, do i need to check my install disk during the install?
PureEdit
May 30 2004, 04:23
Quote - (nuka_t @ May 29 2004, 20:18)
tek you are my hero, sorta. im installing it right now using the old fashioned way. however, i would just love it if it was more user friendly.
quick question to help my install go faster, do i need to check my install disk during the install?
No, but that means that you downloaded the leaked ADC build that isn't quite the final build of panther.
silentprey04
May 30 2004, 04:44
How do i set the refresh rate and full screen and also how come when i set it to 1024x768 half of the dock gets cut off
eaglebtc
May 30 2004, 09:23
^^^^^
SilentPrey, use a little common sense here. I am assuming your current screen resolution is 1024x768, and that you're not running Full-Screen. You need to get the proper build of PearPC to do this---read the thread. When you're not in FS mode, the PearPC window itself has a title bar and a task bar that isn't used for anything unless you are using a CD. The reason the dock gets cut off at the bottom of the screen is because the PearPC window is actually about 800 pixels tall (with these additions). That's why it won't fit on your screen.
I want to make a bootable HD. But I got a problems.

In the Terminal it says permission denied ? Does someone know why ?
jasondefaoite
May 30 2004, 11:25
Any videos of OSx running on PearPC, so i can judge just how slow it really is
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 29 2004, 22:53)
It's now running well. I'm going to be writing some wizards, and other things to make this app "user friendly". My goal: a 4 year old should be able to use PearPC. The ugly dos console with the debug information is now in the "Session Log" area of the VM's page. I currently can't embed the PearPC GUI window in my application due to the way PearPC works :-P (I'm going to send the dev's an email, hopefully we can work on this).
Here is the latest screenie, and I'm also going to put this on the PearPC Developer's Wiki.
Wow!!!

This is very impressive!!
Really nice and professionnal! I wish I could make good program like that!
Cant wait to see the final result!
ThunderRiver
May 30 2004, 15:08
Quote - (jasondefaoite @ May 30 2004, 06:25)
Any videos of OSx running on PearPC, so i can judge just how slow it really is
Well, lets just say it has been 11 hours since I started installing it on my Pentium III 733 Mhz 512 Mb system.. It is still installing... So just you know how slow it is.
jack_canada
May 30 2004, 15:52
Quote - (silentprey04 @ May 29 2004, 20:46)
Liquid... you're guide doesn't work. I just tried it and when I launch the bat file it just flashes a dos box and disappears.
type in command in run, and then execute pearpc
werejag
May 30 2004, 18:28
Quote - (ZTrang @ May 28 2004, 17:43)
Can't be bothered to read 136 pages of posts spanning over a week at all hours of the day? That is true. However, only ignorance could cause you to make a comment like that. Hypothetically, even if only business owners supported Bush, do you think that none of them can be bothered to read? No, they work their butts off reading more than you probably even want to think about reading. Expand that support base to everybody else who supports Bush, and I think that you'll find that most people who support Bush do indeed read a lot.
why dont you spend the extra 10 minutes you used to post your tripe to read the thread?
ask your "ministry of truth" to read this thread for you!
dreamsINdigital
May 30 2004, 18:32
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 29 2004, 20:53)
It's now running well. I'm going to be writing some wizards, and other things to make this app "user friendly". My goal: a 4 year old should be able to use PearPC. The ugly dos console with the debug information is now in the "Session Log" area of the VM's page. I currently can't embed the PearPC GUI window in my application due to the way PearPC works :-P (I'm going to send the dev's an email, hopefully we can work on this).
Here is the latest screenie, and I'm also going to put this on the PearPC Developer's Wiki.
Wow, nice job!
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 29 2004, 22:53)
It's now running well. I'm going to be writing some wizards, and other things to make this app "user friendly". My goal: a 4 year old should be able to use PearPC. The ugly dos console with the debug information is now in the "Session Log" area of the VM's page. I currently can't embed the PearPC GUI window in my application due to the way PearPC works :-P (I'm going to send the dev's an email, hopefully we can work on this).
Here is the latest screenie, and I'm also going to put this on the PearPC Developer's Wiki.
Tekmaven : When do you expect to release it?
ThunderRiver
May 30 2004, 18:33
spent 12+ hours to install it, and the end result is like a 10 min fun. and then got bored with it. take forever to boot. Got it to work with Enom's tutorial.
Nighthawk64
May 30 2004, 18:35
Quote - (ThunderRiver @ May 30 2004, 14:33)
spent 12+ hours to install it, and the end result is like a 10 min fun. and then got bored with it. take forever to boot. Got it to work with Enom's tutorial.
It takes about ~1 minute to boot on my PC and is actually alot faster than I expected it to be.
Fozzieb
May 30 2004, 18:40
I Have a Mac driver for my usb adsl modem, Can i install it under PearPC to access my ISP natively?
ThunderRiver
May 30 2004, 18:43
Quote - (iCeFuSiOn @ May 30 2004, 13:35)
It takes about ~1 minute to boot on my PC and is actually alot faster than I expected it to be.
yeah well. good for you but I don't really enjoy Mac platofrm or appreciate it that much. Got it to work, but I don't really like to stay in Mac platform unless I am forced to.
nuka_t
May 30 2004, 18:45
Quote - (PureEdit @ May 30 2004, 04:23)
No, but that means that you downloaded the leaked ADC build that isn't quite the final build of panther.
damn it. another question, can you write the configuration line that will give me 384 megs of ram in pear pc? also, i downloaded the new panther patch. if i install that, would it bring it up to the current version or does it not work?
Danrarbc
May 30 2004, 19:21
Quote - (ThunderRiver @ May 30 2004, 15:08)
spent 12+ hours to install it, and the end result is like a 10 min fun. and then got bored with it. take forever to boot. Got it to work with Enom's tutorial.
Dude, I installed the base system in 4 hours with a 733Mhz P3 and 192MB of RAM. Did you install everything or something?
eaglebtc
May 30 2004, 20:18
I think he was not using the JITC build, but rather the generic compiled build instead.
JeremyWeisser
May 30 2004, 20:44
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 30 2004, 03:53)
It's now running well. I'm going to be writing some wizards, and other things to make this app "user friendly". My goal: a 4 year old should be able to use PearPC. The ugly dos console with the debug information is now in the "Session Log" area of the VM's page. I currently can't embed the PearPC GUI window in my application due to the way PearPC works :-P (I'm going to send the dev's an email, hopefully we can work on this).
Here is the latest screenie, and I'm also going to put this on the PearPC Developer's Wiki.
That is amazing work!
Looks a lot like Virtual PC

Keep up the great work man
Ridgeburner
May 30 2004, 21:32
Quick question guys, I'm using a router on my network at home, and I wanna have internet support in pearPC (mac osx 10.3) but whenever i go to enable internet connection sharing, it yells at me that 192.168.0.1 is already being used (which it is, by my router as the gateway) -- so I change the IP of my router to 192.168.0.2, and change the DHCP start and end (since you have to because the routers IP cant be in between the start and end IP's) so I went 192.168.0.3 - 192.168.0.51, but windows still yells at me because it cant use 192.168.0.1 since I started the DHCP list after that one. I can't assign static IP's on my network (laziness and pure unability cripple me to do so) and I can't run the internet directly into my computer (family would freak out

) any suggestions?
Tekmaven
May 30 2004, 23:30
Quote - (klop @ May 30 2004, 13:33)
Tekmaven : When do you expect to release it?

Hopefully I will have a build out by tomorrow. I don't know how many Wizards will be included in the begining, and it's still minorly* buggy.
*The only bug I have right now: the Session Log output does not autoscroll when the app looses its focus (like, when your In the PearPC Window).
Which way do you think it should work.. have a PearPC folder under the app's folder and use PearPC from there, or do you want to be able to select where do use PearPC? If you want to select the folder, do you want that to be a application-wide setting, or a VM Config specific setting?
Blah, blah, blah ;-). Thanks for saying nice things about the app.. they make me wanna code more

.
Release plan for PearPCFrontend:
Beta 1: Tomorrow (around 6-7pm EST) - Will work as seen in the shots, and won't have many wizards and help
Beta 2: Hopefully by Friday - Will have mannny more Wizards
Beta 3: 2 Weeks - Most (if not all) features and documentation will be done. This will be one of those "lets find all the bugs before we call it final" releases.
RTW v1: 2 Weeks + A few days ;-)
LawnMowerGuy2
May 31 2004, 00:39
Hi I just registered. I just started using PearPC. I got networking working. But I am having trouble with full screen. I have the latest nightly build (5/30) and I put in fs_refresh_rate = 60 in the config file....
when I try to load ppc it says that fs_refresh_rate is an unknown identifier. Any ideas?
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 30 2004, 17:30)
Hopefully I will have a build out by tomorrow. I don't know how many Wizards will be included in the begining, and it's still minorly* buggy.
*The only bug I have right now: the Session Log output does not autoscroll when the app looses its focus (like, when your In the PearPC Window).
Which way do you think it should work.. have a PearPC folder under the app's folder and use PearPC from there, or do you want to be able to select where do use PearPC? If you want to select the folder, do you want that to be a application-wide setting, or a VM Config specific setting?
Blah, blah, blah ;-). Thanks for saying nice things about the app.. they make me wanna code more

.
Release plan for PearPCFrontend:
Beta 1: Tomorrow (around 6-7pm EST) - Will work as seen in the shots, and won't have many wizards and help
Beta 2: Hopefully by Friday - Will have mannny more Wizards
Beta 3: 2 Weeks - Most (if not all) features and documentation will be done. This will be one of those "lets find all the bugs before we call it final" releases.
RTW v1: 2 Weeks + A few days ;-)
Very cool .. cant wait to try your app out...
Heres a question for ya .. what are you doing for empty HD images ?
Are you just asking the user to give the path for the HD image or your app makes the HD image for them ?
Coz I just made this app using the python script from main pearpc site.
Try it out and let me know what u think .. It works pretty good .. you just need one click and it will make a HD image for ya

(the image file will be saved in the same folder of the program)
Heres a SS and link for the program.
http://s87840517.onlinehome.us/utils/hdimagemaker.rar
Liquid
May 31 2004, 00:57
Quote - (Emon @ May 30 2004, 16:53)
Very cool .. cant wait to try your app out...
Heres a question for ya .. what are you doing for empty HD images ?
Are you just asking the user to give the path for the HD image or your app makes the HD image for them ?
Coz I just made this app using the python script from main pearpc site.
Try it out and let me know what u think .. It works pretty good .. you just need one click and it will make a HD images for ya

(the image file will be saved in the same folder of the program)
Heres a SS and link for the program.
http://s87840517.onlinehome.us/utils/hdimagemaker.rar Nice app. Can you make it so we can customize the size of the hdd image? That would rock. Or jsut release the source?
Tekmaven
May 31 2004, 01:02
I was planning on making a "Create a hard disk image" wizard. "Easy so a child can use it" means everything is right there for the user to do :-P.
What is your app written in? Sharing the source would be cool :-).
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 30 2004, 19:02)
I was planning on making a "Create a hard disk image" wizard. "Easy so a child can use it" means everything is right there for the user to do :-P.
What is your app written in? Sharing the source would be cool :-).
It's written in python ..
I am going to release the source as soon as I get done testing the HD image that I made ..
( also cleaning out the code now.. its quite dirty

)
aka JAWheat411
May 31 2004, 01:22
Quote - (Emon @ May 30 2004, 19:53)
Very cool .. cant wait to try your app out...
Heres a question for ya .. what are you doing for empty HD images ?
Are you just asking the user to give the path for the HD image or your app makes the HD image for them ?
Coz I just made this app using the python script from main pearpc site.
Try it out and let me know what u think .. It works pretty good .. you just need one click and it will make a HD image for ya

(the image file will be saved in the same folder of the program)
Heres a SS and link for the program.
http://s87840517.onlinehome.us/utils/hdimagemaker.rar Do you have a guide for expanding the size of your HD image from within OS X? I know it can be done but don't want to do it until I know how for sure.
Tekmaven
May 31 2004, 01:38
Quote - (aka JAWheat411 @ May 30 2004, 20:22)
Do you have a guide for expanding the size of your HD image from within OS X? I know it can be done but don't want to do it until I know how for sure.
I've already posted a complete step-by-step procedure for this ;-).
Increasing Your PearPC Hard Disk Image Size
Quote - (aka JAWheat411 @ May 30 2004, 19:22)
Do you have a guide for expanding the size of your HD image from within OS X? I know it can be done but don't want to do it until I know how for sure.
well you could just make a bigger HD image ( using my app ofcourse

) ..mount it as a slave drive ..
then use corbon copy cloner and clone your existing HD to that empty HD. When you are done ..just boot pearpc using that new HD image and delete the old one.
Link for corbon copy cloner
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.htmlEDIT: darn .. gotta type faster than Tekmaven
aka JAWheat411
May 31 2004, 01:40
Yes that is what I am talking about. I seen a "How To" somewhere for it. But it actually described how to do the copying of files with a program built in to OS X.
I will give it a go.
aka JAWheat411
May 31 2004, 01:45
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 30 2004, 20:38)
I've already posted a complete step-by-step procedure for this ;-).
Increasing Your PearPC Hard Disk Image Size Thanks
Oh I even downloaded that PDF I guess I should read it lmao.
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 30 2004, 19:02)
I was planning on making a "Create a hard disk image" wizard. "Easy so a child can use it" means everything is right there for the user to do :-P.
What is your app written in? Sharing the source would be cool :-).
here ya go ...
ForeverUnknown
May 31 2004, 05:52
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 29 2004, 19:53)
It's now running well. I'm going to be writing some wizards, and other things to make this app "user friendly". My goal: a 4 year old should be able to use PearPC. The ugly dos console with the debug information is now in the "Session Log" area of the VM's page. I currently can't embed the PearPC GUI window in my application due to the way PearPC works :-P (I'm going to send the dev's an email, hopefully we can work on this).
Here is the latest screenie, and I'm also going to put this on the PearPC Developer's Wiki.
wow that's looking great
Good news is coming...
Enhanced PearPC 0.2pre
A new enhanced build of PearPC has been programmed by nilss. The new main feature is SDL support, which gives you nice speed enhancement.
According to the developer, his build only needs 2 mins 20 secs, compared to 2 mins 55 secs with the CVS build on his 1 GHz CPU. So it's 35 seconds faster than the normal version.
Full list of the new features and advantages:
SDL: Faster!
SDL: Different video targets (like directfb, x11, and aalib)
Fullscreen toggle (F12)
Mousegrab (SHIFT+ F9)
Change redraw timings on the fly (F10 -1msec; F11 +1msec)
Right now it is only available as source, but I am sure binaries will pop up soon. You can tell me of course, if you know where to find one.
nilss is available via our chat room and in the forums.
Pearpc.net
JeremyWeisser
May 31 2004, 08:51
I know this a pretty ridiculous question at this point but I feel like asking it anyway.
Is it or will it eventually be possible to get an iPod to work with iTunes using Pear PC?
Hey all, I'm having trouble installing Panther. I've tried about 5 times now, and each time, it has failed. I have tried using JITC and non-JITC builds, (0.2pre), among various other nightly builds (P4 optimised & No-Arch-Win32-R2). I am able to start the installation however it fails after a few hours, seen in the attached screen. I've played around with 128, 256 and higher (up to 512MB) of ram in my config, changed resolutions, redraw rates, installed openVPN, disabled NICs (both the old one and the new realtek one in the config), used different 3GB and 6GB images (at different locations, on different drives), everything!
What I need to ask:
- which build should I use on a P4, because the nightly builds don't work for me?
- which pre-formatted images is everyone using? filenames?
- any other information.
Not sure what else is there to do, to get this thing working.
eaglebtc
May 31 2004, 11:05
Quote - (Naughty Dogg @ May 31 2004, 01:09)
Good news is coming...
Enhanced PearPC 0.2pre
Can someone please help me compile this in Cygwin? For some reason, the compiler does not see "install-sh" but it is clearly sitting in the folder.
I unpacked the tarball -- within Cygwin itself -- using "tar -xvzf pearpc-0.2.tar.bz2" . The files appear to be there, but according to Windows they are "shortcuts" -- links that actually point somewhere else.
Why are these files "missing" ?
Quote - JeremyWeisser came out of the closet to say:
I know this a pretty ridiculous question at this point but I feel like asking it anyway.
Is it or will it eventually be possible to get an iPod to work with iTunes using Pear PC?
First, Firewire has to actually be emulated in the operating system. Right now, the only external connection is "USB" but it can't do anything. Firewire is probably a ways off. Once Firewire works inside the Virtual Mac, it must then be connected to the host computer's ieee1394 interface.
Before the SDL version can be compiled for win32, a part of it has to be re-written. It is being done, but it is going to take some time.
alberto20
May 31 2004, 14:22
Hi people, i have a PIII 350MHZ/256MB laptop...I wanted to ask if the speed is acceptable if i will install it on this machine...Thanx in Advance!
Peace,
Alberto
Knight'
May 31 2004, 14:25
Quote - (alberto20 @ May 31 2004, 15:22)
Hi people, i have a PIII 350MHZ/256MB laptop...I wanted to ask if the speed is acceptable if i will install it on this machine...Thanx in Advance!
Peace,
Alberto
MacOSX will be 500 times slower than the host machine, so go figure.
alberto20
May 31 2004, 14:29
Quote - (Knight' @ May 31 2004, 14:25)
MacOSX will be 500 times slower than the host machine, so go figure.
Thanx for the fast reply....I'm going to cry and wait till a faster version is out...
Tekmaven
May 31 2004, 14:37
Quote - (alberto20 @ May 31 2004, 09:29)
Thanx for the fast reply....I'm going to cry and wait till a faster version is out...
I doubt it will EVER be fast enough for your laptop. Straight x86 processor emulation isn't at a 1:1 speed to your processor... so emulating a different architecture, will always be a slower (I'd be suprised if we got it to 1/10 of the x86 processor speed).
Currently many PearPC functions are all handled on the processor. As PearPC progresses, functions such as the video display will be utilizing the graphics card; taking away much needed processing time. A 350mhz laptop can by no means have even a crappy video card for today's standards (it would be "sub-crappy" :-P). Also, your disk interface is probably ATA33 (or even slower), and coupled with the slow processor, 33mb/s max burst of HD transfer is pretty poor!
I don't want to dash your hopes and dreams :-P, just want to tell you that you might wait a lifetime
alberto20
May 31 2004, 14:42
Quote - (Tekmaven @ May 31 2004, 14:37)
I doubt it will EVER be fast enough for your laptop. Straight x86 processor emulation isn't at a 1:1 speed to your processor... so emulating a different architecture, will always be a slower (I'd be suprised if we got it to 1/10 of the x86 processor speed).
Currently many PearPC functions are all handled on the processor. As PearPC progresses, functions such as the video display will be utilizing the graphics card; taking away much needed processing time. A 350mhz laptop can by no means have even a crappy video card for today's standards (it would be "sub-crappy" :-P). Also, your disk interface is probably ATA33 (or even slower), and coupled with the slow processor, 33mb/s max burst of HD transfer is pretty poor!
I don't want to dash your hopes and dreams :-P, just want to tell you that you might wait a lifetime

Whoauw, thanx alot for your epxlanation bro! Oh well, that means i got to stick with Bassilik or whatever
Again, thanx alot!
Peace,
Alberto
Knight'
May 31 2004, 14:44
Quote - (alberto20 @ May 31 2004, 15:42)
Whoauw, thanx alot for your epxlanation bro! Oh well, that means i got to stick with Bassilik or whatever
Again, thanx alot!
Peace,
Alberto
Stick a nice Linux distro on your laptop, it looks nicer than Windows and is more responsive in my experience.
JeremyWeisser
May 31 2004, 14:44
How fast would OSX run using PPC on my machine, specs below? Would it be comprable to a PII, PIII, running Windows XP?
Also, I know this has been asked before, and I think the answer is yes but, can I allocate 512MB od memory towards the config? Will this help performance? Is there any reason not to?
Quote - (JeremyWeisser @ May 31 2004, 10:44)
How fast would OSX run using PPC on my machine, specs below? Would it be comprable to a PII, PIII, running Windows XP?
Also, I know this has been asked before, and I think the answer is yes but, can I allocate 512MB od memory towards the config? Will this help performance? Is there any reason not to?
It should run quite well on your machine.
I believe you can give it 512 MB RAM without any trouble, you just have to figure out the config files first.
JeremyWeisser
May 31 2004, 15:24
Thanks for the quick reply!
nuka_t
May 31 2004, 15:27
i have 512 ram, how much can i allocate and how do i do it?
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