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Emon

May 14 2004, 16:26

Quote - (Pilsbury @ May 14 2004, 09:05)

I can almost taste the slowness...

it took the whole night to load

panoz

May 14 2004, 16:29

Quote - (unrealism @ May 14 2004, 17:33)

I am running 512Mb Ram on a P4 2.8Ghz HT.
I tried to change the boot method to "auto" and use verbose method, but when I do so I get the FALIURE: DiskArbStart() --> 1102 message.
I got that message the last time when I was in verbose, and when I turned it off my install started working again. strange...

Here is my config file below...

===========================

# PearPC Configuration File

#
# Resolution
#
# 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)
# 1: 640x480x15
# 2: 640x480x32
# 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)
# 4: 800x600x15
# 5: 800x600x32
# 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)
# 7: 1024x768x15
# 8: 1024x768x32
#
# The indexed modes are unsupported.
#
# default: 4
ppc_start_resolution = 4

#
# Redraw interval (in ms)
# must be between 1 and 999
#
# If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)
# but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal
# preference.
#
redraw_interval_msec = 200

#
# Loader
#

#
# Boot method
# this can be
# 1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
# 2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
# 3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

# Example of how to use "force":
#prom_bootmethod = "force"
#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"
#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

prom_env_bootargs = ""
prom_env_machargs = ""

#
# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X
#

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)
#page_table_pa = 104857600

#
# CPU Config
#
# Processor Version Register
# Defaults to 0x00088302
# Only change if you know want you are doing
#
#cpu_pvr = 0x00088302

#
# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x8000000

#
# IO Devices
#

#
# PCI IDE Config
#
# Drive type will be set according to file extension:
# .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)
# .iso: CD-Rom
# Or you can override this by specifying the type via
# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "pearpc-6gib.img"
#pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "darwin-701.iso"
pci_ide0_slave_image = "c:\pearpc\osx.iso"
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"
pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#
# Network (unavailable on windows)
#
pci_3c90x_installed = 0
pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#
# USB
#
pci_usb_installed = 1

#
# NVRAM
#
nvram_file = "nvram"

try this instead:

-----------

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""
#prom_env_machargs = "-v"
prom_env_machargs = ""

------------------

just put # infront of prom_env_bootargs and make it inactive.
I did it and it worked.

Siliad

May 14 2004, 17:07

Just loaded Panther with PearPC 0.1.1

Loaded the desktop & Finder then crashed (PPC, not Finder).

:\

AquaFX

May 14 2004, 17:24

Quote - (ataxy @ May 14 2004, 15:20)

just a quick note about you post
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Neowin reserves the right to edit or delete posts where deemed necessary. Please abide by our rules and give thought to your post to ensure the top quality contributions you expect to receive from the community

and to answer your question its long between 3 and 5 hour

there is nothing to describe...just a question... i didn't type it in bold to get attesion..lol...

AquaFX

May 14 2004, 17:27

By any chance is there a step by step giuld that tells u how to isntall os x?

Siliad

May 14 2004, 17:31

Alright, got into the desktop. Whenever I try to use the dock, the dock icons have little seizures for a minute and then work.

So far, so good. Adding 256 Ram and changing the draw rate really helps.

sanderg14

May 14 2004, 20:22

jaguar has succesfull installed , but what do i need to do now ?

panoz

May 14 2004, 21:01

the clock still goes 3x or more faster than "regular" time..

and what is the hex number for 256mb ram?

amr_01

May 14 2004, 21:09

for 256mb of ram, use memory_size=0x10000000.

KeR

May 14 2004, 21:11

did anyone write a good guide to installing OSX? I don't mean the one on the emulator website.

KlyX

May 14 2004, 21:12

I think, 265 Megs is okay... Because the emulator has to emulate the RAMs, so this would make it not faster... and on the other way, 256 megs should speed up mac OS X. I've tried 512 and more, but this isn't better...

Got REALBasic installed and running...

KlyX

May 14 2004, 21:14

@KeR... can you reaf German? So http://www.abacado.com should help you...

KeR

May 14 2004, 21:26

Quote - (KlyX @ May 14 2004, 15:14)

@KeR... can you reaf German? So http://www.abacado.com should help you...

my German is not too good but I can follow that, thanx.
Another question can I use OSx 10.1, or just OSx 10.3?

KlyX

May 14 2004, 21:35

As far as I'm informed, 10.1 should work too. 10.2 is working seriously and 10.3 with the latest version 0.1.1 too...
And if you have a question, there is my mail adress on this tutorial...

panoz

May 14 2004, 22:06

Quote - (amr_01 @ May 14 2004, 23:09)

for 256mb of ram, use memory_size=0x10000000.

thanks man

Rob2687

May 14 2004, 22:09

the installer for 10.2 shows 30 hours remaining

, how accurate is that?

amr_01

May 14 2004, 22:15

my install time was pretty accurate. mine was a total of 5 hours, three for cd1 and 2 for cd2. I don't know why yours is 30 hrs. You may want to install again, do a custom install, and leave of printer and language, they take the install down to about 1.5GB, instead of the normal 3GB.

Liquid

May 14 2004, 22:26

Quote - (KeR @ May 14 2004, 13:11)

did anyone write a good guide to installing OSX? I don't mean the one on the emulator website.

I am currently completeing one with full images and details. Should be done tomorrow morning

unrealism

May 14 2004, 22:33

Never installing the Mac OS before, should the OS boot after installing off of CD1? or do I need to use CD2 as well?? So in my ppccfg.osx config file I need to change the image to osx2.iso so I can boot to the cd and finish?

Thanks,
Unrealism

Liquid

May 14 2004, 22:34

Quote - (unrealism @ May 14 2004, 14:33)

Never installing the Mac OS before, should the OS boot after installing off of CD1? or do I need to use CD2 as well?? So in my ppccfg.osx config file I need to change the image to osx2.iso so I can boot to the cd and finish?

Thanks,
Unrealism

you need CD2, if you used the OSX installer to partition you need to change a few settings on yoru partition table using darwin then boot up CD 2 and continue installation.

Post-It Note

May 14 2004, 22:34

What I did is I set the cd to the second one, and used "select" for the boot selection:

Quote -

#
# Boot method
#   this can be
#   1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
#   2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
#   3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

This is AFTER the first CD. I selected to boot from the HD.

Siliad

May 14 2004, 22:39

Can't you just click 'Change CD'?

unrealism

May 14 2004, 22:58

I still cant seem to get past this after install finishes and MAC OSX Reboots PearPC. After it reboots, I just run ppc ppccfg.osx again and instead of selecting the CDROM method I tell it HD. If I tell it CD it boots install again. hmm... sitting here trying to figure this last few steps out. grrrr...

Unrealism

Rob2687

May 14 2004, 23:03

Quote - (amr_01 @ May 14 2004, 18:15)

my install time was pretty accurate. mine was a total of 5 hours, three for cd1 and 2 for cd2. I don't know why yours is 30 hrs. You may want to install again, do a custom install, and leave of printer and language, they take the install down to about 1.5GB, instead of the normal 3GB.

thanks..went restarted and did that...much faster this time (2:35 left). i dunno what happened b4

unrealism

May 14 2004, 23:20

Hmm... Booting Disc2.iso did not do anything either. Still hanging on this problem below. Any ideas??

Thanks,
Unrealism

Mac OSX 10.2

jack_canada

May 14 2004, 23:26

does ppc read dmg file or i have to convert to iso?

niteowl

May 14 2004, 23:26

Quote - (unrealism @ May 14 2004, 23:20)

Hmm... Booting Disc2.iso did not do anything either. Still hanging on this problem below. Any ideas??

Thanks,
Unrealism

Mac OSX 10.2

I don't think disk2 is bootable.

After disk 1 installs, boot from the hard drive (change the "auto" in the script file to "select").

Once the installer starts back up again, it will ask for disc 2.

unrealism

May 14 2004, 23:39

I tried that, but I still get the same screen as last posted. Someone said something about the memory settings in the script. Here is my current script.

============

# PearPC Configuration File

#
# Resolution
#
# 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)
# 1: 640x480x15
# 2: 640x480x32
# 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)
# 4: 800x600x15
# 5: 800x600x32
# 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)
# 7: 1024x768x15
# 8: 1024x768x32
#
# The indexed modes are unsupported.
#
# default: 4
ppc_start_resolution = 4

#
# Redraw interval (in ms)
# must be between 1 and 999
#
# If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)
# but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal
# preference.
#
redraw_interval_msec = 20

#
# Loader
#

#
# Boot method
# this can be
# 1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
# 2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
# 3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

# Example of how to use "force":
#prom_bootmethod = "force"
#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"
#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""
prom_env_machargs = ""

#
# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X
#

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)
#page_table_pa = 104857600

#
# CPU Config
#
# Processor Version Register
# Defaults to 0x00088302
# Only change if you know want you are doing
#
#cpu_pvr = 0x00088302

#
# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x8000000

#
# IO Devices
#

#
# PCI IDE Config
#
# Drive type will be set according to file extension:
# .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)
# .iso: CD-Rom
# Or you can override this by specifying the type via
# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "osx.img"
#pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "darwin-701.iso"
pci_ide0_slave_image = "osx.iso"
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"
pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#
# Network (unavailable on windows)
#
pci_3c90x_installed = 0
pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#
# USB
#
pci_usb_installed = 1

#
# NVRAM
#
nvram_file = "nvram"

unrealism

May 14 2004, 23:41

I tried that, but I still get the same screen as last posted. Someone said something about the memory settings in the script. Here is my current script.

============

# PearPC Configuration File

#
# Resolution
#
# 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)
# 1: 640x480x15
# 2: 640x480x32
# 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)
# 4: 800x600x15
# 5: 800x600x32
# 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)
# 7: 1024x768x15
# 8: 1024x768x32
#
# The indexed modes are unsupported.
#
# default: 4
ppc_start_resolution = 4

#
# Redraw interval (in ms)
# must be between 1 and 999
#
# If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)
# but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal
# preference.
#
redraw_interval_msec = 20

#
# Loader
#

#
# Boot method
# this can be
# 1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)
# 2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions
# 3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile
#
prom_bootmethod = "select"

# Example of how to use "force":
#prom_bootmethod = "force"
#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"
#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#
# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing
# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup
#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""
prom_env_machargs = ""

#
# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X
#

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)
#page_table_pa = 104857600

#
# CPU Config
#
# Processor Version Register
# Defaults to 0x00088302
# Only change if you know want you are doing
#
#cpu_pvr = 0x00088302

#
# Main memory (default 128 MiB)
# must be >= 64 MiB
#
#memory_size=0x8000000

#
# IO Devices
#

#
# PCI IDE Config
#
# Drive type will be set according to file extension:
# .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)
# .iso: CD-Rom
# Or you can override this by specifying the type via
# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "osx.img"
#pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "darwin-701.iso"
pci_ide0_slave_image = "osx.iso"
#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"
pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#
# Network (unavailable on windows)
#
pci_3c90x_installed = 0
pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#
# USB
#
pci_usb_installed = 1

#
# NVRAM
#
nvram_file = "nvram"

amr_01

May 14 2004, 23:46

You may want to give this a try:

Quote -

well the people at the offical forum have found a way to get the macosx to boot if it has not booted after the install and yes it does require darwin to do what is required i
here it is

OK Its working now. Luckily you dont need to reinstall OSX from scratch. It worked for me, but Im not sure (but a little confident) that it will work in all the cases, so if you doubt please make a backup copy of your current hard disk image just in case.

This is the way I fixed it:

1.- Download darwin (yes, Im sorry)
2.- Start pearpc using the installed OSX hd image as master and darwin iso as slave.
3.- Once darwin has stated drop to a shell by typing "shell"
4.- Enter the "pdisk" commands
5.- As in the normal installation select type "e"
6.- Enter "/dev/disk0" as the name of the device.
7.- If you want to see how your partitions are mapped enter "p".
8.- Use r to swap partitions, you have to set the map partition as the first one (Im pretty sure that it already is the first one) and the OSX partition as the second one (it was placed third in my installation).
9.- Finally enter "w" in order to write the partition table.
10.- Now its fixed, and it will boot without problems. Just boot with the OSX disk 2 in you slave because the installation continues

unrealism

May 14 2004, 23:58

Did all that and still nothing...

jack_canada

May 14 2004, 23:58

can some1 anwser my question? does pearpc read dmg file?

unrealism

May 15 2004, 00:03

I dunno... what is a dmg file?? Never heard of it. Why not use .iso?

niteowl

May 15 2004, 00:06

IIRC, .dmg is a proprietary Macintosh file format that can only be converted to .iso on a Macintosh computer.

There was some brief mention of .dmg files back somewhere like 20 pages ago in this thread. I just hope I can push the clock speed on this PearPC up past 10MHZ.

It would speed things up

amr_01

May 15 2004, 00:09

i am not positive, but pretty sure it will only read iso.

unrealism

May 15 2004, 00:11

yeah thanks niteowl for the info! I wasnt even aware of such a file name, although I dont really use mac. I am hoping to get this pearpc working so I can use it to learn a bit. Yeah even thought it would be slow... I know!

Anyone have any ideas about why I am not booting OSX 10.2 the rest of the way after install?? I get the spinging grey pinwheel and a circle with a slash through it. Sits and does nothing. hmm...

Post-It Note

May 15 2004, 00:21

If it doesn't work then trying starting from the beginning again: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/installdarwin.html (without actually installing it, but still have it start the installation, then exit when it starts copying the information).

Rob2687

May 15 2004, 00:53

Unrealism: Try setting prom_env_machargs back to "-v"
i did that and this is what i got..now if i can figure out how to fix this

Get stuck on "still waiting for root device"

Post-It Note

May 15 2004, 01:00

I've also got it to install and run...

niteowl

May 15 2004, 01:34

I made the misake of just choosing the default 'journaled' install

which installs the whole 3GB of stuff.

Oh well, it's only another 90 minutes until CD2 is done.

AquaFX

May 15 2004, 02:35

no seriouslys guys apart from the german one, is there a guide? cuz i can't read german...hehe

niteowl

May 15 2004, 02:42

Quote - (AquaFX @ May 15 2004, 02:35)

no seriouslys guys apart from the german one, is there a guide? cuz i can't read german...hehe

I honestly have never found one.

I searched on Google, Yahoo, Alltheweb, and Altavista and could not find one guide to installing any Macintosh OS, let alone OS X.

I am just winging it

Emon

May 15 2004, 03:17

Quote - (niteowl @ May 14 2004, 20:42)

I honestly have never found one.

I searched on Google, Yahoo, Alltheweb, and Altavista and could not find one guide to installing any Macintosh OS, let alone OS X.

I am just winging it

give me few hours .. writing one as we speak ..

Autumnmist

May 15 2004, 03:30

For guide: http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=21

ataxy

May 15 2004, 04:31

man i dont know how to say this but i am looking at a bunch of screenshot that some of you with problem have posted and i do notice one thing in common

Please update to ***V0.1.1***

nemo

May 15 2004, 05:03

for you guys who got it to install, how long did it take you?

mine has been running for about 12 hours as of now, and it's still "untaring" everything i guess.... i don't have a graphical screen yet...

is that normal?

Liquid

May 15 2004, 05:09

Quote - (nemo @ May 14 2004, 21:03)

for you guys who got it to install, how long did it take you?

mine has been running for about 12 hours as of now, and it's still "untaring" everything i guess.... i don't have a graphical screen yet...

is that normal?

nope

nemo

May 15 2004, 05:16

Quote - (Liquid @ May 15 2004, 00:09)

nope

hrm... i guess that's not good lol...

mine is really really really slow... but it's supposed to be right?

niteowl

May 15 2004, 05:19

I finally got it up and running.

It took me roughly 6 to 7 hours per CD (I installed the first 2 CDs).

Oh, boy now I use a 0 MHz G3!

My system only has 256mb of RAM, so 128 is what I can spare for the PPC right now (on top of Windows 2000).

KeR

May 15 2004, 05:48

has anyone installed OS X 10.1?