you said it funny how people jump in with myIE and firefox, when they are asked about the "engine"

Web browser disscussion? Well even though it may have been done thousands of time's before here and else where, the web-browser is as important online as the air you breath to sustain your life. I'll cast um my entry: Firefox-3rdParty/unofficial builds and K-Meleon which is fast becoming a reckoning force along with Firefox for end-user-based the way a browser should be, implementing things the way you want them, not the way some programmers would have it.

IE has been so over-killed by clone's it defies an explanation, even Microshaft's programmers have just about stopped making patches for it, and Gates has something in mind for the future for IE. More than likely a complete re-vamp of the browser or perhaps just leave the browsing to the 3rd Parties to handle. As folks are building their customization's of Firefox so goes K-Meleon KM Forums. Their unofficial builds are very quick and versatile for users to control what ever they like as Firefox can be through something as simple as the: about:config in your browser's address. Both run off the Gecko engine. So those who may have never heard of K-Meleon get on over and view "General" on the forums there and have yourself a download to check-out. Then come on back and post your thoughts about it then. Have a Merry Christmas btw and a Happy New Year from me, your local K-Meleon and Firefox promoter Hardryve!

You can also visit the K-Meleon the Gecko Forums when you have the time; check it!

Here's a gift of a download, Hao Jiang's unofficial version: K-Meleon CCF 0.018PR5 It's lighning quick.

i duno, but to me IE looks better, and i also had quite a few problems with Firefox(can't open images on a website), so im for IE

BEST BROWSER ENGINE
Do you understand this yet? ENGINE. I.e. Gecko, Presto, Trident, KHTML.

THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY CHOICES, unless you vote for an old 3rd party render engine.

you forgot lynx and its fork links and its forks (the best being elinks of couse)
AND WHAT ABOUT GTKHTML?!?!?!? its way better than khtml renders way more and isn't based on the sucky QT

this should be added on to the first post
will browsing this thread i was going to reply that to almost each person

Heh, KHTML got a huge boost when Safari adopted it. I'm willing to bet it's better than GTKHTML now.

no its not as gtkhtml merges with gecko unlike khtml that once it forked it didn't take on thing from gecko

Ah, but WebCore/KHTML rivals Gecko in standards compliancy, especially in CSS.

lynx and elinks? are they linux or os or? Never encountered either of them. Although I would like to know more about them. Well I take that back I have heard of lynx something of a text browser isn't it? Can you run lynx on XP? If so do you have a link to lynx? I would gladly check out a version that will run on Windows XP in any event. The more you know the better it get's!

yea there texted based browsers.... you might be able to run them under cycwin

Got a link to one of the text browsers? and what in Cygwin would I need?

prefer Opera..
using Opera 7.6 Beta..

2nd. firefox

although firefox is slightly faster than the new opera 7.6 but then what i like about Opera is the function
i can bookmark there easily.... and make my daily surfing more convenient

Man, what have you been smoking

Opera can emulate a text browser

happy with gecko.

IE & Gecko

Opera costs money. It doesn't do anything special enough to make me want to pay for it, nor do I want to look at an ad sponsored browser when there are many free alternatives.

IE's rendering engine is out of date. They need to start implementing more accurate rendering of CSS2 before I'll consider using it or any of the browsers that utilize the IE rendering engine. Only a web developer can know the horror of having to hack apart perfeclty compliant code to make it work in Internet Explorer. Gah.

That leaves me with Gecko based browsers. It's open source. Vulnerabilities are fixed more quickly than in IE. Standards compliance isn't perfect but it's better than most, although it's not as forgiving with poorly written HTML, which is fine by me. I also like the fact that I can use Firefox on both Windows and Linux and hardly even tell the difference.

IE -> Too old, doesn't do anything new. Supports a lot of things that other engines do not support though (these are mostly made by microsoft though, like WindowsUpdate and stuff like that)
Opera -> Looks like a mix of Gecko and IE, but doesn't support enough javascript and CSS1/2/3
Gecko -> Supports many things, but still, there is a lack of CSS1/2/3 features.
KAHTML or whatever it is -> I have no clue what that is, so I won't say anything, but I believe it doesn't support more CSS1/2/3 features than other rendering engines do.

If every browser supported every CSS1/2/3 features correctly and the same way, then it would be easier for us, website designers to work with multiple browsers.

CSS1/2/3 is the key to make a great website easily !

whats that about "the browser which fits ur period"?

I think Opera is a failure; its not really done anything special that i can't get somewhere else for free and better implemented. Internet Explorers not bad- its just tired. I'm sure with an update in 2005/6 it'd become usable again.

However, at hte moment, Firefox rules the roost. Its new, its got cool features, and its been updated.

IMO Gecko is the best rendering engine.
* Fast.
* Standard compliant.
* Open source.

Opera -> Looks like a mix of Gecko and IE, but doesn't support enough javascript and CSS1/2/3
Opera fully supports Javascript and CSS1.

Well I saw a website with Javascript menus and they worked fine in every browser, but Opera.

Opera can do many things other browsers can't though. And I'm not talking about non-browser-related features.

A lot of times, when you identify as IE or Firefox, the scripts will then work properly.

Firefox for sure
the best thing ever happened to BROWSERS

Usually this is because the website is either
a) not sending opera the javascript
b) using an old javascript script

Because MyIE2 is based on IE , I`M With you.. great browser !

I wonder how many people who voted IE know what an engine is...

Although I did not vote for Internet Explorer, I do know it uses the Trident (Tasman for the Macintosh port) layout engine.

Same here!
Firefox rulez.

Firefox Rocks

there can only be one winner of this Firefox, although when i use linux some sites using the KHTML render at fast speeds i am talking about 1second on first run.

Paul

this thread is ridiculous. How can someone possibly pick a browser engine that doesn't display things correctly based on the standards? I don't care if Opera is "faster", (which it isn't) if it doesn't display things the way they should be based on the standards then it's a terrible engine. Also, it's important to mention, duh IE will start faster...the damn thing is built into the explorer interface, obviously it's going to open faster.

In your first post you make this confusing, the thread topic is "browser engine" but then you go and ask what the "best browser" is in your first post. Damn it, make up your mind. Netscape is onto the right idea with it's support of both the gecko engine and the IE engine based on the users preferences. This isn't a solution because the IE engine is still flawed and based too much on ActiveX, but it's a temporary solution until MS (just for example) starts making standards compliant pages.

Internet Explorer

I love my Maxthon frontend for IE. It may not be as fast, but it renders every page the way they were created. I ran into problems with other browsers.

Oh my.

Opera has bugs that cause certain things to not display properly.
Firefox has bugs that cause certain things to not display properly.

This has nothing to do with not supporting standards.

Firefox is the best. Its considered the most secure by many groups and supports W3C standards. Firefox has about 6 known security flaws, while IE has 19+. Firefox also has a very simple interface which is great for most people. I dont know of any big drawbacks other than lack of ActiveX support (disputed insecurity), and support of some proprietary microsoft standards that are also possible insecure like dhtml.

Woops posted twice

mozilla

Geckooooo

FIREFOX

Firefox is not a browser engine...

Gecko.

gecko

Gecko

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So your vote is for the IE engine then.

I said Gecko, but I really like KHTML, so I'm not really satisfied with my vote...

firefox hands down. not gonna give reasons why i think it's the best.