It's so compatible is a valid argument.

Windows is the best operating system for home users, hands down, because of application compatibility.

That's right- Windows isn't compatible with Half Life 2, Half Life 2 is compatible with Windows.

Along the same lines, we can argue that MSIE is good because the overwhelming majority of sites are compatible with it.

khtml / Safari / Konqueror!!

I think you need to start understanding that it depends on what someone expects from an OS and what he/she is going to do with it.

yes, it is perfectly valid. sites are compatible with msie, not the other way around. it says nothing about how good msie is at all.


uh, no, there's more to quality than compatibility. but applications are compatible with windows, not the other way around.


no. that's got nothing to do with msie's quality.

IE, Firefox, Opera and Sadari are all good to me but if I wanted to pick a favourite, I would choose IE as for me it is the simplest to use, especially with the IE7 Beta 2 Preview though Opera 9 TP 2 comes a close second. I haven't tried the new Firefox 2 Codename "Bon Echo" but will do soon enough.

PSG22

Usefulness is a measure of quality.

A Mac is extremely useful with only 1/10th of the application library that Windows has. Compatibility has nothing to do with quality. In this case, it's only a measure of the quality of the individual applications.

Honestly, the same goes for websites. Quality of the browser isn't reliant on compatibility with crap. I'd much rather have a browser that works perfectly well on quality sites and web applications (Writely, Basecamp, Flickr, etc.) I'm sure those devs would be a lot happier if they could just use one iteration of XMLHttpRequest and a standard stylesheet/XHTML combo.

This post asks for the best browser *engine*, so looking at the standards support, I'd have to say Gecko is the best overall, although Opera 9 will pull ahead a bit. I don't have much information for KHTML and WebKit, but from personal experience and some initial testing, I put Gecko and Presto (Opera) quite a bit ahead of them. Trident (Internet Explorer) is dead last among popular browsers, and Internet Explorer 7 isn't much better.

Maybe because MyIE2 and Maxthon use the IE6 engine?

KHTML, best standards support, fast and until recently, the only browser engine that passed ACID2 (opera's newer nightlies join it).

I like IE cause its the best.

Talking browser engine purely, I would go with Opera due to it having the best standards compliance than all of the others. Though I haven't tried the KHTML one (only linux right and my Linux box isn't live yet); Gecko is getting overrated IMO. My girlfriend's PC hates it, but dunno if that's Firefox or the engine's fault.

i ues the green brower and opera

First there was Safari (WebKit), then Opera (Presto), although iCab and KHTML are close, they don't pass it (they ignore a certain CSS rule that should be applied, makes the window show scroll-bars)

Gecko is getting there, and Trident are slowly moving towards it.

Indeed Gecko is getting there..

http://flickr.com/photos/dbaron/126886608/

Passing the ACID2 test doesn't mean that the browser's good. The first build of Opera 9 that passed the ACID2 test didn't render vBulletin forums properly.

Wow, that's good of Gecko, the reflow branch looks interesting.

i really get sick of people bitching about web standards like article posted on frontpage then disspeard strandards are rules that are there to follow if you want they really in theory dont mean a damn hell of alot most popular websites arn't valid but who cares they work ffs!

Yes, because they have to work around bugs in browsers interpretations of the standards.

End users don't care about them (hence the number of posts saying standards are stupid), but they all seem to like the fact the pages they go to work in their browser of choice, the only reason that happens is because the people who write the site have to make changes to their code until they work properly (if all browsers were standards based, any page would look the same in any browser).

And if you really hate the standards that much, stay with IE6 or less, as with IE7 MS has gotten serious at supporting the W3C specs (hence why IE7 is alot better than IE6, still lags behind the other browsers though)

FireFox Rules!

vote for firefox. Great browser

Firefox.
Fast and stable.

fireforx by far the best

Opera for me because firefox is slower on my ancient PC

Opera

which is better?? Maxthon or firefox??? Peronally, i use Firefox....

What is GECKO???

Firefox rules and btw i use internet explorer in a new tab in firefox , so basically thats one more advantage for firefox but i rarely find any use for ie in firefox ,only on some pages that aren't displayed properly.

It eats sometimes a lot of ram but i've noticed that this has improved in the latest versions.

firefox, without a doubt

Gecko is an open source rendering/layout engine.
It is used in many well known applications, like:
* Camino.
* Firefox.
* Thunderbird.
* SeaMonkey.
* Netscape.
* ...

I prefer Gecko over its rivals, WebKit and Presto, any day!

Oh man... a lot of people don't seem to see the difference between a web browser and a browser engine, even perhaps the thread creator. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that this vote is about the engine, and not about specific browsers.

I've been firefox fan for a while now, but recently started to use Opera & got hoohked up to it...
To make the mater worse I've updated Firefox and gues what all my bookmarks dissapeared , on the other hand once I've learned more of Opera Funcions & did a reaserch it is 1- faster; 2-even safer; 3- nice interface
The sad thing is I did noticed 18% IE what a disadvatedged kids they are

You talk about the best rendering engine, yet then you discuss the best web browser. The MSIE rendering engine is called the Trident layout engine. It is based on code from Spyglass which in turn is based on NCSA's original Mosaic web browser (one of the very first web browsers).

To be honest, the Trident engine is terrible. It lacks plenty of core features found in the competing layout engines, such as Gecko, Presto or KHTML. See Comparison of layout engines.

I wish Microsoft would recode Internet Explorer from the ground up, with a clean layout engine that supports the latest W3C standards. They should rename it too ‒ in reality you don't explore the Internet with MSIE, you browse the web! The WWW is an application of the Internet, just like IM or BitTorrent.

You must never have used a gecko browser on OS X then

Seriously I preffer Opera, but it takes way to much Virtual Memory, so , negative
For IE, I love the way this browser saves Memory, but it's very vulnerable to spyware, so , negative
Finaly. I choose Firefox because, it is safe, even if it consumes a lot of RAM.


FIREFOX TAKES THE LEAD

Opera on Linux and Windows

<IMHO>

• The only advantage IE has over Opera is the way it saves web pages.
• Maxthon and Sleipnir are good. Firefox is OK.
• Most people use IE because it's the default.
• It seems that people use FF because it's well hyped. I can't think of any other reason.
• I don't know how, once you're used to Operas features such as Sessions Manager, Trash, Transfer Manager, etc, you could be satisfied with any other browser.

</IMHO>

Opera

Its so amusing to see that people are discussing web browsers when the original topic is Rendering Engine..
Even after Jamey has pointed out that the thread is not about a browser they still continue
lol@all

Its also sad to see that KHTML got such a small number of votes though it is one of the best and not to say that the first engine which passed ACID2.

But then again its understandable as all are discussing about a browser rather than engine.

For all those ignorant nerds KHTML is the engine for Konqueror and Safari

OPera ................

Opera

@42n81 Latest opera weekly allows you to save webpages like IE does(resources in a folder).

Opera's engine at its current weekly status .. is definately best browser engine i think, support recently added for ContentEditable (Fx only supports designMode, opera now supports both), implementation of document.styleSheets recently been added too.

Sure I have!
I use a Gecko based browser (Camino) for 99% of all my browsing.

Thanks for the heads-up! Great news.

Eh hem, Maxthon runs on the IE engine. Pretty sure that Sleipnir does too. Firefox isn't an engine.

Anyways, I choose IE.

Opera Is obviously superior, it's faster than firefox and internet explor, it's rendering engine has the best standards support, and the browser itself has tons of features, Like Mouse Gestures, Session Saver, IRC, Mail, And bittorent clients, all in a download smaller than firefox, and takes less memory, although alot of those features are available in firefox via extentions, its not nearly as smooth, opera also has the most responsive GUI, firefox is absolutely horrible in that particular category, and opera is more secure than both internet explorer and firefox.
and to kernal89, IE may seem to use less memory, but it's tightly integrated into the system, and uses more than it seems.

/end rant

It's amazing how Gecko gets so many votes when the topic clearly asks for the best rendering engine. not browser. People just dont read.

I favour Firefox over the other browsers, I use it as my primary browser. But I do not for one moment think that it has the best rendering engine. I'm sure that a lot of people feel the same way.

i voted mozila for his internet engine but ie's engine is better cause page creators are making pages for ie...

????

It's engine is not better because page creators are making pages for it.
Page creators are not making pages for it because it's engine is better.

Page creators are making pages for it because it is the default browser for most users as it comes bundled with the software that comes bundled with the machine.

I like Opera very much.
because it offers speed+features.
In my view if support for extensions is there opera will become the
best browser

mozilla for sure

I am not sure why people think Gecko is so bad on OS X Camino works fine, although I still use Safari.