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inuman

Dec 3 2004, 09:33

If you are using Firefox (mine is 1.0 final) go to www.steampowered.com and look at the bottom where the copyright line is.
They seem they've done the site under iexplore.exe

Anyway I love what Valve did with HalfLife 2

stezo2k

Dec 3 2004, 09:37

big deal, most sites are designed for IE anyway...

quigley0

Dec 3 2004, 09:44

A case were the coders didn't take the time to factor in many browsers. Poor programing.

Not to start a FireFox vs I.E war, but, a lot of sites get a little screwy in FireFox But, i dont blame the browser. I think it is an attention to detail issue for developers.

arma

Dec 3 2004, 09:55

QUOTE(quigley0 @ Dec 3 2004, 09:44)

Not to start a FireFox vs I.E war, but, a lot of sites get a little screwy in FireFox But, i dont blame the browser. I think it is an attention to detail issue for developers.
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Your right, Its not the browsers fault, but then again time being money in a developer world would you re-write masses of code for a minority browser which has users who acceps shoddy page rendering just because their browser is diffrent and not M$?

Arma.

liar2

Dec 4 2004, 00:01

Another thing I'd say is that I've been doing some coding of my own... a lot in CSS and it refuses to work in IE. So I can't say it's the browsers fault. But sometimes people just get lazy and don't want to make multiple designs.

M2Ys4U

Dec 5 2004, 17:51

QUOTE(liar2 @ Dec 4 2004, 00:01)

But sometimes people just get lazy and don't want to make multiple designs.
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Then they should code to standards, and leave it at that

The Nonentity

Dec 5 2004, 18:04

QUOTE(arma @ Dec 3 2004, 04:55)

Your right, Its not the browsers fault, but then again time being money in a developer world would you re-write masses of code for a minority browser which has users who acceps shoddy page rendering just because their browser is diffrent and not M$?

Arma.
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Senseotech

Dec 5 2004, 23:23

QUOTE(The Nonentity @ Dec 5 2004, 14:04)

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I just read the links in your sig, and was overwhelmed by the amount of ignorance conatined in all three pages. This leads me to believe that you wrote them.

D!ABOL!C

Dec 5 2004, 23:27

QUOTE(4g3nt_Smith @ Dec 5 2004, 19:23)

I just read the links in your sig, and was overwhelmed by the amount of ignorance conatined in all three pages. This leads me to believe that you wrote them.
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Then you obviously missed the 4th line of his sig

toadeater

Dec 6 2004, 04:59

QUOTE(arma @ Dec 3 2004, 04:55)

would you re-write masses of code for a minority browser which has users who acceps shoddy page rendering just because their browser is diffrent and not M$?

Arma.
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"Just because it's different"? No, that's not why people use Firefox. IE is insecure, buggy, and *SLOWER* than Firefox, IE only starts up faster because it's being illegally dumped onto the market through the OS.

bangbang023

Dec 6 2004, 05:39

QUOTE(toadeater @ Dec 5 2004, 23:59)

"Just because it's different"? No, that's not why people use Firefox. IE is insecure, buggy, and *SLOWER* than Firefox, IE only starts up faster because it's being illegally dumped onto the market through the OS.
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Illegally? lol. That's like saying "how dare they add in a headset lcd screen, for free, to my new car."

aldo

Dec 6 2004, 17:16

QUOTE(bangbang023 @ Dec 6 2004, 05:39)

Illegally? lol. That's like saying "how dare they add in a headset lcd screen, for free, to my new car."
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You missed the Dept of Justice case then?
And the recent EU Case?

Do you even know what 'dumping' refers to?

Dr.Jones

Dec 6 2004, 17:22

QUOTE(aldo @ Dec 6 2004, 13:16)

You missed the Dept of Justice case then?
And the recent EU Case?

Do you even know what 'dumping' refers to?
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the case was more complex than that. MS has been accused of making illegal contracts with PC manufacturers to include MS software, or else they would have paid more to install Windows on their PC. It's even more complex than that, so just don't talk about what you can't comprehend

bangbang023

Dec 6 2004, 19:46

QUOTE(Dr.Jones @ Dec 6 2004, 12:22)

the case was more complex than that. MS has been accused of making illegal contracts with PC manufacturers to include MS software, or else they would have paid more to install Windows on their PC. It's even more complex than that, so just don't talk about what you can't comprehend
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Exactly, the case wasn't about IE just being there, it was far more complex. If it was just IE, I would sue because windows calculator takes a market away from an app I could develop

toadeater

Dec 6 2004, 22:38

QUOTE(bangbang023 @ Dec 6 2004, 00:39)

Illegally? lol. That's like saying "how dare they add in a headset lcd screen, for free, to my new car."
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That's not quite the same thing. It's illegal to use one product to dump another onto the market to sabotage a competitor's product (AKA Netscape). Microsoft lost another case in the EU over bundling WMP for the same reason. But now that they embedded IE into the OS, they have claimed it can't be removed without crippling Windows, so IE remains bundled with Windows. Legally it should have been removed and users would have to download seperately it to install it.

What this is really like is if someone added an LCD screen into your car for free, but it only played M$ DVDs, and you had to buy these DVDs on a regular basis or else your car would stop working.

toadeater

Dec 6 2004, 22:50

QUOTE(bangbang023 @ Dec 6 2004, 14:46)

Exactly, the case wasn't about IE just being there, it was far more complex. If it was just IE, I would sue because windows calculator takes a market away from an app I could develop

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You say the case is more complex, and it is, but then you oversimplify it again, and incorrectly. Windows calculator doesn't affect the rest of the industry, it's not about someone not being able to sell a product but about what the product does. A browser affects the internet, electronic commerce, multimedia, etc. Through IE and its monopoly position, Microsoft gets to extort other markets because it sets the standard for how they now operate over the internet. But they weren't doing this just through IE, but through ActiveX, and now .NET. That's what they real goal is, to have control over networked applications, broadcasting and commerce when everyone is using their languages, standards and applications. Think about it, everyone has to have Windows then, everyone has to learn their languages, it's like crack.

bangbang023

Dec 7 2004, 01:58

QUOTE(toadeater @ Dec 6 2004, 17:50)

You say the case is more complex, and it is, but then you oversimplify it again, and incorrectly. Windows calculator doesn't affect the rest of the industry, it's not about someone not being able to sell a product but about what the product does. A browser affects the internet, electronic commerce, multimedia, etc. Through IE and its monopoly position, Microsoft gets to extort other markets because it sets the standard for how they now operate over the internet. But they weren't doing this just through IE, but through ActiveX, and now .NET. That's what they real goal is, to have control over networked applications, broadcasting and commerce when everyone is using their languages, standards and applications. Think about it, everyone has to have Windows then, everyone has to learn their languages, it's like crack.

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I didn't over simplify it. I said IF it was just about IE, then my argument would stand. Honestly, I wouldn't even buy an OS that didn't have a web browser packaged with it. However, with that said, the lawsuit involved the fact that MS made conpanies sign contracts forbidding them to prebundle other competing apps, such as Netscape or Word Perfect. It wasn't about IE being included, it was about what they weren't allowed to include through harsh contract negotiations by MS.