Here are the bowls:
Fedex Orange: USC vs. Oklahoma
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Pittsburgh vs. Utah
Nokia Sugar Bowl: Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Rose Bowl: Michigan vs. Texas
Thoughts about the BCS? I think its a joke that a good Cal team was left out, but Im not complaining that Texas is in (I live in Longhorn country). One thing is for sure, the Big East is a joke...Pitt doesnt deserve to be in the BCS.

i was really hoping for cal to be in
Grrrrrrrrrr!

Texas in the rose bowl

We'd be a much better team for the Rose Bowl, in the public's eye.
Texas sucks. Yeah, I'm not going to a bowl this season now.
CatnipOligarthy
Dec 6 2004, 01:10
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Ayepecks
Dec 6 2004, 02:42
WTF? Cal left out? That's a disgrace.
BroChaos
Dec 6 2004, 02:56
if the big east had lost their spot, and we added a third at large, then everything would be better. but still sucks for auburn, but thats what you get for scheduling several div 1AA teams in your OOC schedule.
i'm looking forward to going to the rosebowl. should be a really good matchup. i think mich has a good chance, since texas has something like the 110th ranked pass offense out of 117 teams. makes them very 1 dimensional.
auburn should blow out VaTech.
utah will probably beat pitt.
i hate usc and ok, but i think ok will win.
DreAming in DigITal
Dec 6 2004, 03:11
USC over Okla
Auburn (should be playing for national championship) over Va Tech
Utah blows out Pitt
Texas over Michigan
What a great matchup for Utah. I hope they blow out Pittsburgh, who shouldn't be there first of all (crappy Big East). Oklahoma will beat USC, VT has a good chance against Auburn, and Texas will beat Michigan.
Billthy
Dec 6 2004, 04:00
Utah over Pitt
Oklahoma over USC
Auburn over VT
Michigan over Texas
are my bets
Ayepecks
Dec 6 2004, 04:16
USC
Utah
Auburn
Michigan
soLoredd
Dec 6 2004, 04:20
Oklahoma
Auburn
Utah
Texas
Oklahoma and Auburn split National Title (just like last year

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Ayepecks
Dec 6 2004, 04:26
QUOTE(soloredd @ Dec 6 2004, 04:20)
Oklahoma
Auburn
Utah
Texas
Oklahoma and Auburn split National Title (just like last year

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I don't know about that... Auburn isn't playing a team anywhere near as good. Maybe if they were playing Cal or someone I'd agree.
I think the winner of USC-OK should play Auburn, if Auburn wins.... but that's just me.
soLoredd
Dec 6 2004, 04:29
IF Auburn blows out VaTech and Oklahoma wins really close...is there cause for debate? It's the same scenario that we had last weekend.
I think it's only fair to have co-national champs in this situation, but that's me.
I still believe Oklahoma is the best team in the country though.
BroChaos
Dec 6 2004, 05:41
there is chance for a split, but not much...
vatech doesn't stand a chance...auburn is just out of their league.
texas better hope it gets a passing game for xmas...
GO BLUE!!
I do believe t.u. won't be able to stop U of M
as for my almatar, Tennesse aint got what it takes
wh00p!
CatnipOligarthy
Dec 6 2004, 06:06
costanza007
Dec 6 2004, 14:09
I feel bad for Cal too. They got left out this year after having lost to only USC. Guess that proves that the Pac 10 is a bit weak.
And yes, it pains me to say, but I also feel bad for Auburn; they played a helluva year and they're also on the outside looking in. I don't think the BCS works... I hear a lot of argument saying it worked "this year" or "last year" or "in this situation" or whatever; but to me, it should work every time, not just in some special situation b/c people can make arguments one way or another. That's just cheap. The C should be silent.
Hurmoth
Dec 6 2004, 14:14
Go Auburn! Kick some Va. Tech butt
DreAming in DigITal
Dec 6 2004, 14:15
/\ haha "don't be hatin!"
we have what...5 undefeated teams this year? and 3 of them have no chance to be national champs.
Yeah, that's fair.
BroChaos
Dec 6 2004, 16:14
yeah, and it's completely different than last year. last year, everyone was telling USC "if you wanted to be in, you shoulda won all your games", since last year it was 3 1-loss teams.
what do we tell auburn this year?
My Sooners will win over USC.

The BCS is a joke, Cal shouldn't be left out but you can't please everybody I guess.
deceased_which_appreciates
Dec 6 2004, 23:09
Sorry this is so long..but i have to vent
As an Auburn fan, I have mixed emotions. I have felt, ever since Auburn blew out Tennessee 34-10 in Neyland that they would roll over both USC and OU. Auburn played at even a more elevated level when Georgia came to town. It's bad when the preseason 1 and 2 have their positions questioned by the voters with a team starting out 17th at their heels. Stoops and all the other Big 12 crybabies can whine all they want about how ESPN analysts have an agenda, but the voters as well have an agenda (Yes I know some of the analysts vote). They've wanted since the summer to see a USC/OU national championship and they got it. Now, not to be completely negative, its hard to take something away from any team who goes undefeated (Even though it wasn't as hard for Utah and Boise St). I'm sure if it were possible for all five unbeatens to play for a national title, they would do it.
Now, as I said, Auburn was playing at their highest level when they beat #5 Georgia 24-6. Since that victory, Auburn has turned into a very arrogant team, especially in the backfield. Both Alabama and Tennessee keyed in on stopping the run, and it worked well for Alabama, and Tennessee didn't do bad in the second half. It wasn't until the second half against Alabama that Auburn decided throwing the ball downfield might be a good alternative to running up the middle and going three and out. This type of coaching drives Auburn fans mad. It's generally the type of coaching we've been used to seeing in all those years we've sucked (They don't call us the Auburn faithful for nothing.) Auburn only won by eight, the smallest margin since the LSU upset. Auburn would have lost that game is not for the defense.
The reason Auburn has looked so dominant and stayed healthy all season is because they've allowed themselves to play only one half of football every game. They come out explosive like they're the underdog to the number one team in the nation every game and dominate the first half, then they put subs in, keep the ball on the ground, and run out the clock. Auburn went into the Alabama and Tennessee games wanting to just out muscle them like they do to their out of conference schedule(I'll get to that in a minute).
Both USC and OU have had their close calls as well. I hated Franchione when he was at Alabama, but I despise him after the lack of discipline his team showed at the end of the OU/A&M game. When your team doesnt have the poise to hold onto a good sized lead in one of the biggest games of the year, that's on the coach's shoulders. I mean, two fumbles lost on their own ****ing 10?! If they go three and out and punt their last possessions they would win by at least a TD. And how about UCLA almost toppling the Trojans? That can't feel good going into the game they wanted so dearly to get into last year. What hurt Auburn the most was having these two close contests at the end of the season with the voters already looking for a reason to keep them out. BroChaos: Auburn only played one DivII team: The Citadel. Louisiana Tech finished the season 6-6, and sported one of the best RBs in the nation, had he not been injured. LA-Monroe finished 5-6, nearly bowl eligible. Can you really blame Auburn? Last year Auburn wanted to make a run for the title, they ended up playing one of the toughest schedules in the nation which included both national champions.
I don't think the system works, but I don't think a playoff will either. Think about it, these kids don't get payed. Keeping a team healthy through 12 games is a task. It's hard enough to keep star players around for every year of their eligiblilty (I guarantee you that Bush and Peterson will not see a senior season). Try telling a NFL bound player that before he can sign that multi-million dollar contract, you need him to compete at his highest level in 5 or 6 of the toughest games he's ever played in. I don't know how they run it at OSU, but these players aren't supposed to see a dime until they sign their contract and unfortunately, some aren't as dedicated to their schools as we fans would like to believe.
I have enjoyed watching Virginia Tech play all season. They are really a fun team to watch, they also have good, loud fans. It will be a great game, and honestly the way these two teams match up, I don't know who will win. Virginia Tech closely resembles Auburn, with a dual threat QB, a strong an an agile backfield, and talented defensive front. The only reason Auburn will be the favorite is because you hear the names Jason Campbell and Carnell Williams more than you hear Bryan Randall and Mike Imoh (I love watching Imoh). Sugar is always the goal of SEC teams, and hey, at least we aren't Cal.
BroChaos
Dec 6 2004, 23:47
ok, only one div1aa team, but still, those other 2 are really low caliber teams. you guys probably played the toughest conference schedule. to me it was those OOC games that hurt you the most. that and starting off 17th.
you guys should dominate vatech. randall and imoh or humes aren't even in the same league as brown/caddy and campbell.
a playoff can work if they make it in the same time frame as the current bowl games. you would use like an 8 team playoff. there has to be a way to give all undefeated div1a teams a shot at the title.
think about how back in the 80's or whatever, BYU goes undefeated in the same league as Utah, and they are considered national champs. look how the bias is now towards the "big" conferences.
Miami? As our new head coach says, "We.... will... crush... them"
It'll be good for college football if they continue to go downhill
BroChaos
Dec 7 2004, 00:42
i wonder who's gonna coach florida? have they decided?
it's urban's team now. corso says he should be coaching at florida in the bowl game, and not at utah, since florida is his team as of last week.
Why would Urban just ditch Utah right before the BCS bowl? I understand that he now has a commitment to UF, but let the guy at least enjoy this accomplishment. Personally, Corso drives me nuts...aside from waving a pencil around, what exactly does he do on College Gameday?
BroChaos
Dec 7 2004, 00:53
well, it looks like zook just accepted the illinios job. now that makes it even a bigger question...
soLoredd
Dec 7 2004, 01:03
I don't think Urban Meyer should coach the Gators in the bowl game...he had nothing to do with them this season. I'm sure any sane Gator fan would love to have Zook stay around, but he chose not to, as is his perogative. If Meyer wants to coach Utah, and the players want him there, what's the problem?
Personally, because we are playing Miami, I am 100 times more excited about this game than I was a week ago. I am actually looking forward to the Peach Bowl - we owe Miami a payback for the 2nd half collapse last season, not to mention bragging rights for wins over both FSU and UM.
It's on like Donkey Kong...this should be the hardest fought, most intense non-BCS bowl game this year (Louisville/Boise State will be fun to watch though).
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 7 2004, 00:42)
i wonder who's gonna coach florida? have they decided?
it's urban's team now. corso says he should be coaching at florida in the bowl game, and not at utah, since florida is his team as of last week.
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as of this morning, the decision was made shortly ago that Strong will be coaching the team in the bowl game. The players are reportedly VERY exctied about playing for him.
There was NO talk about urban coaching the peach bowl. It is well known that he wanted to finish his season at Utah first before going to coach the gators. he was not leaving his players right before the big game. He is a class coach.
Petrino announced he will stay in Louisville, so that officially makes ND coachless with no coach to look upon
stncttr908
Dec 8 2004, 20:15
I really wish Utah had been given a tougher opponent. It doesn't show them in a very high regard if they happen to beat up on Pitt, who for all intensive purposes shouldn't even be in a BCS bowl game.
The best game out there? The Liberty Bowl! The number one and two scoring offenses in the country, Louisville (55 points/game) and Boise St. (50 points/game) going head to head.
BroChaos
Dec 8 2004, 20:36
yeah, the utah situation sucks...
a team finally makes it in, and then they get stuck playing a crappy pit team (although utah does need to be careful, as pelko or whatever his name is has been really hot the past couple games).
if utah loses, all mid-majors are doomed, if they win, they didn't prove anything. it's a lose-lose situation if you ask me.
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if utah loses, all mid-majors are doomed, if they win, they didn't prove anything. it's a lose-lose situation if you ask me.
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Well, at least they made it in
If Utah wins, it will be "They played a crappy team."
If Pitt wins, Utah didn't deserve to be in the BCS.
It doesn't look good for either of them. Pitt is going to get rolled though, they aren't good. Palko's go-to guy is Frank Lee who looked great in the WVU game (thanks to some missed calls by the refs). I'm calling a 14pt+ lead.
Utah will win, giving them lots of millions of dollars. So they actually don't lose anything if you think in terms of the school itself.
yea, just getting in gets the school millions more compared to the regular bowl games.
Im just curious then as to what will happen to Utah next season. They probably will fall face down into the mud, back into mid-major reality.
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Im just curious then as to what will happen to Utah next season. They probably will fall face down into the mud, back into mid-major reality.
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Their defensive coordinator will take over. He pretty much knows the system, so they may be alright.
BroChaos
Dec 9 2004, 01:44
what year is smith? that guy is their team...
soLoredd
Dec 9 2004, 01:47
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 8 2004, 17:44)
what year is smith? that guy is their team...
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I think he's a Junior.
BroChaos
Dec 9 2004, 03:43
man, i dunno about peterson going to new york...well, he can go, but he better not win.
i mean, i don't really care about the heisman, since 9 times out of 10 you'll be a flop in the NFL. but still, he's not leading in any rushing category, excpet for 100+yd games. plus he's rushing behind a heisman winning qb, which makes things just a tad easier, cuz there's no way you can load the box against white. honestly, in terms of numbers, i think smith has the best, and has meant the most to his team, and he would be my fave.
i don't like white either, after his choke of last year. he doesn't deserve to be known as a two time winner.
so that leaves bush and leinart.
bush is exciting, but not the best player. and he's fumbled a lot.
i guess leinart should win it, as much as i hate usc...
dennqis
Dec 9 2004, 18:48
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 8 2004, 21:43)
man, i dunno about peterson going to new york...well, he can go, but he better not win.
i mean, i don't really care about the heisman, since 9 times out of 10 you'll be a flop in the NFL. but still, he's not leading in any rushing category, excpet for 100+yd games. plus he's rushing behind a heisman winning qb, which makes things just a tad easier, cuz there's no way you can load the box against white. honestly, in terms of numbers, i think smith has the best, and has meant the most to his team, and he would be my fave.
i don't like white either, after his choke of last year. he doesn't deserve to be known as a two time winner.
so that leaves bush and leinart.
bush is exciting, but not the best player. and he's fumbled a lot.
i guess leinart should win it, as much as i hate usc...
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Sounds like you have something against OU. You know the Heisman isn't just about numbers. If so why don't they just have computer do the voting? I don't know who should win. But you shouldn't base your opinions from last year. Last year was last year. Who cares what White did. He has been flawless this year. Although having won last year, he doesn't have as much of a chance. Alot of people think " He won it last year. He can't win two years in a row. He's not THAT good." Which is stupid. The Heisman is awarded for acheivements in this season. Not what happened last year.
And for Peterson. That kid is awesome. And they do load the box against him and White. If things were so easy being with White, how come K. Jones doesn't have the numbers like Peterson. Im not shure about Leinhart. He didn't throw a single TD pass in his last game. Doesn't sound like the best to me.
Anyways, I think all 5 candidates are very deserving to win. And the game is going to be awesome.
BroChaos
Dec 10 2004, 00:33
the heisman very often goes back to last year, even though maybe it's not supposed to. ricky williams and ron dayne won the heisman based on career stats. i don't care what white did this year, he sucked last year, didn't deserve it last year, and should never be put in the same book as archie griffin.
peterson is a freshman and was left in late in pretty much every blow out, just to run up his stats. stoops was a dirty coach this year, really made himself look bad on several occasions.
i still think alex smith is the best candidate.
if they give it to peterson (won't happen,) then we need to go back and give Rex Grossman his heisman for his sophomore season. If he had been a junior that year he would have won by one of the largest margins ever
CatnipOligarthy
Dec 10 2004, 02:48
i just won the right to purchase a sugar bowl ticket..
BroChaos
Dec 10 2004, 04:10
sweet! you gonna go? you've passed up some other really good games this year

i'll be at the rosebowl again this year, so if you are gonna be there, hit me up.
L3thal
Dec 10 2004, 05:21
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 9 2004, 20:33)
i still think alex smith is the best candidate.
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Finally someone who agrees with me
CatnipOligarthy
Dec 10 2004, 05:24
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 9 2004, 22:10)
sweet! you gonna go? you've passed up some other really good games this year

i'll be at the rosebowl again this year, so if you are gonna be there, hit me up.
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havent decided yet.. im gonna be in new orleans from dec 25-28 for the falcons/saints, so i dunno if i wanna go back down there a week later. tickets here are already going for $175.. if i can get $300 ill prolly sell it.
Xeonic
Dec 10 2004, 05:26
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 10 2004, 00:33)
peterson is a freshman and was left in late in pretty much every blow out, just to run up his stats. stoops was a dirty coach this year, really made himself look bad on several occasions.
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What irritates me the most is the fact that Cedric Benson was shafted. I understand that he wasnt going to win the Heisman, but he was certainly deserving aswell. Its great that Peterson had a great/historic year for a freshman. But they overlooked one of the top 10 alltime leading rushers in college football history..
QUOTE(BroChaos @ Dec 10 2004 04:10)
i'll be at the rosebowl again this year, so if you are gonna be there, hit me up.
How much did you pay for tickets, I heard that they were around $150. I want to go so badly.
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