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Dashel
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. - A judge refused to delay a trial Tuesday when an attorney objected to his wearing a judicial robe with the Ten Commandments embroidered on the front in gold. 

Circuit Judge Ashley McKathan showed up Monday at his Covington County courtroom in southern Alabama wearing the robe. Attorneys who try cases at the courthouse said they had not seen him wearing it before. The commandments were described as being big enough to read by anyone near the judge.

McKathan told The Associated Press that he believes the Ten Commandments represent the truth "and you can't divorce the law from the truth. ... The Ten Commandments can help a judge know the difference between right and wrong."


Alabama Judge's New Clothes

Besides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god. Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong? They should be defrocked at least, imprisoned/executed ideally.
ksalter
QUOTE(Dashel @ Dec 15 2004, 10:03)
Alabama Judge's New Clothes

Besides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god.  Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong?  They should be defrocked at least, imprisoned/executed ideally.
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I weep for the future.

I think these "judges" are traitors to the US Constitution and should be dealt with as traitors.

And I am from Alabama the Beautiful...
Fred Derf
QUOTE(Dashel @ Dec 15 2004, 12:03)
Alabama Judge's New Clothes

Besides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god.  Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong?
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There's one reason why we don't elect judges.
threetonesun
That's odd more than anything. It's not like I have a shirt embroidered with cliff notes for my job.
Fred Derf
QUOTE(threetonesun @ Dec 15 2004, 12:25)
That's odd more than anything. It's not like I have a shirt embroidered with cliff notes for my job.
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That might be handy for an english exam though...

"To be or...", um, just a sec, I need to lift my lapel...
ksalter
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 10:24)
There's one reason why we don't elect judges.
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No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected. Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush.
aem4162
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 11:29)
That might be handy for an english exam though...

"To be or...", um, just a sec, I need to lift my lapel...
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it worked for me on the "parts of the engine" and "how the car engine works" tests in driver's ed yes.gif
Fred Derf
QUOTE(ksalter @ Dec 15 2004, 12:31)
No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected.  Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush.
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I thought Cirtuit Court judges were elected in the USA and that Supreme Court judges were appointed?

Ours are hired and fired except for the Supreme Court of Canada that are appointed based on geographical localtion (3 for Quebec, 3 from Ontario, 2 from the east and one from the atlantic provinces).
threetonesun
QUOTE(ksalter @ Dec 15 2004, 12:31)
No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected.  Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush.
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Especially if you can tell the teacher you can take the test anyway, because you're wearing the "truth".
ksalter
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 10:36)
I thought Cirtuit Court judges were elected in the USA and that Supreme Court judges were appointed?

Ours are hired and fired except for the Supreme Court of Canada that are appointed based on geographical localtion (3 for Quebec, 3 from Ontario, 2 from the east and one from the atlantic provinces).
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I think you are correct...but it wouldn't matter in this case since the majority population approves of ten commandment judges.

Fred Derf
QUOTE(ksalter @ Dec 15 2004, 13:36)
I think you are correct...but it wouldn't matter in this case since the majority population approves of ten commandment judges.
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That's what prompted my original reply that I'm glad that Canadian judges are not elected.
ksalter
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 11:36)
That's what prompted my original reply that I'm glad that Canadian judges are not elected.
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But what would happen if the elected officials in Canada were more conservative (as voted by a changing electorate) ... you may end up with those kind of judges anyway.
dreamz
how did that guy become a judge? no.gif
Fred Derf
QUOTE(ksalter @ Dec 15 2004, 13:42)
But what would happen if the elected officials in Canada were more conservative (as voted by a changing electorate) ... you may end up with those kind of judges anyway.
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Um, I don't think we're communicating properly here.

Judges in Canada are hired by the office of the Ministry of Justice. They are not elected.

Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state).

Supreme Court Judges in both countries are appointed by the President/Prime Minister and approved by the Senate/Cabinet.
Dave
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. - A judge refused to delay a trial Tuesday when an attorney objected to his wearing a judicial robe with the Ten Commandments embroidered on the front in gold.


Oh wonderful, so lets say the defendant is guilty, now the guy gets a pass because this "activist judge" is doing something he knows full well to be a contradiction of seperation of church and state.

Can you say mis-trial? How about civil rights violation?
threetonesun
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 13:59)
Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state).
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They are? huh.gif unsure.gif

If they are, it's not by the average person.
ksalter
QUOTE(fred666 @ Dec 15 2004, 11:59)
Um, I don't think we're communicating properly here.

Judges in Canada are hired by the office of the Ministry of Justice.  They are not elected.

Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state).

Supreme Court Judges in both countries are appointed by the President/Prime Minister and approved by the Senate/Cabinet.
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Okay, so how does the Minitstry of Justice get populated? Are they elected or appointed by the government.

So if the ruling governement changes (becomes conservative) and puts different people in the Ministry of Justice, they may hire judges with a conservate slant...

That was what I was trying to say.
Fred Derf
QUOTE(threetonesun @ Dec 15 2004, 14:13)
They are?  huh.gif  unsure.gif

If they are, it's not by the average person.
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I guess it varies by state then.
QUOTE(ksalter @ Dec 15 2004, 14:14)
Okay, so how does the Minitstry of Justice get populated?  Are they elected or appointed  by the government.

So if the ruling governement changes (becomes conservative) and puts different people in the Ministry of Justice, they may hire judges with a conservate slant...

That was what I was trying to say.
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Except for the actual Minister of Justice, the Ministry of Justice is staffed by non-partisan public officials and there usually is not much turnover from government to government. Sometimes changes in governments bring in new deputy-ministers (the top non-elected position) but not always.
Aaron
QUOTE(threetonesun @ Dec 15 2004, 13:13)
They are?  huh.gif  unsure.gif

If they are, it's not by the average person.
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We vote on Judges here in GA.
Mike Douglas
Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago?
Fred Derf
QUOTE(code_monkey @ Dec 15 2004, 15:57)
Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago?
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Yesterdays fantasy, today's reality. And they say that the slippery slope is a fallacy...
nowimnothing
QUOTE(code_monkey @ Dec 15 2004, 14:57)
Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago?
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i kinda wish it were an article from TheOnion. Would make me feel a little better about my fellow countrymen.
threetonesun
QUOTE(Armeck @ Dec 15 2004, 15:44)
We vote on Judges here in GA.
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During town elections, or some other time?

I could be completely oblivious, since I've missed a few local elections. I always figured if you have a long black robe and were willing to wear it in public, they took you.
Dave
QUOTE(threetonesun @ Dec 15 2004, 15:35)
During town elections, or some other time?

I could be completely oblivious, since I've missed a few local elections. I always figured if you have a long black robe and were willing to wear it in public, they took you.
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Let me be the first to tell you, they don't let you in for just having the robe.

If I'm not mistaken I have infact voted for judges.
nowimnothing
maybe this'll answer some questions.
scroll down about 3/4 of the way to "Methods of Judicial Selection"

http://www.lwvmi.org/lwvjudsl.htm

(i didn't read the whole thing, but it looked informative and explained why i have never voted on a judge (i live in Virginia))
Fotix
Like Fred said, whether certain judges are elected or not varies from state to state. Federal (our national) judges are appointed.

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"The Ten Commandments can help a judge know the difference between right and wrong."


This judge should know better, that he is supposed to judge the laws in accordance with what the legislature has passed and what the state constitution says, not what the 10 Commandments say. Just because the 10 Commandments say to "Keep Holy The Sabbath" or "Don't Commit Adultery" doesn't mean that it is illegal and someone should be punished by a judge for it--if it is not the law. The 10 Commandments don't spell out what the penalties are for our modern laws (in this case driving an automobile while over the legal blood alcohol level) are or how DUI even applies to the 10 Commandments or a lot of other cases in general.

Beyond stupid, it's appalling.
threetonesun
Ah, I see now. My state's judges appear to all be appointed by the governor.
American Ninja
I am glad the judge is standing up for what is right. He is upholding his oath and we need more judges like him! smile.gif
xxpor
your kidding right noexpression.gif I fear for the world if people like you are in the majarity.
ksalter
QUOTE(xxpor @ Dec 15 2004, 19:00)
your kidding right noexpression.gif I fear for the world if people like you are in the majarity.
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Be afraid, be very afraid... cry.gif
Sn1p3t
QUOTE(Aaron660R @ Dec 15 2004, 17:29)
I am glad the judge is standing up for what is right. He is upholding his oath and we need more judges like him!  smile.gif
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Wow.

QUOTE(xxpor @ Dec 15 2004, 18:00)
your kidding right noexpression.gif I fear for the world if people like you are in the majarity.
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Welcome to reality. sad.gif
BaZurk
I fear for people who take it apon themself to seperate morals from truth. granted the whole ten commandments on the robe thing is a bit in your face. but whats degradeing America is not people who envolk gods name into things. Its people who do not grow up being told right from wrong by there parents or there communities as was done useing churches, mosks, in a younger generation.
thebigj
Wow wtf is up with Alabama and them not all dying?

Anyways the judge is a smartass who thinks he is doing the world a favor by putting that stupid list on his clothes.
3beanlimit
Heck, guys...

It's really no big deal. As long as the next judge is also allowed to wear a Buddist Toga with a huge picture of Satan on it in the next court room...
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