Full Version: MPAA still stricking BT sites hard!
Well usually when you download TV shows off the net, you're not downloading the advertisements along with it...so I can certainly see how it's illegal from that side...the series isn't giving you permission to access their media in that method.
The thing is, what Loki is doing really isn't illegal. It may be "morally wrong" (depending on if you think it is stealing from people who steal from you), but not illegal. The fact is, torrents and their trackers do not contain any copyrighted materials. They direct you to where you can download the illegal files. But if that is illegal, then take down google.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=filet...G=Google+Search
Ooooo look at that! It helped you find illegal files! Kill Google! Kill Google! Not....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=filet...G=Google+Search
Ooooo look at that! It helped you find illegal files! Kill Google! Kill Google! Not....
QUOTE(lylesback2 @ Dec 30 2004, 04:02)
coming from a guy whos name is "Monkeys4me"
but the Canadian government prevents dumb countries (ie. USA) to get out address, names and information. It is a PRIVACY law here in Canuck land. This is a great motive of Canada, to get people to live here
so next time, double check and make sure the person you are writing to really cares about all that. I am protected by the government, and hopefully always will be.
and NO this doesn't mean i can automatically have immunity to all this, i don't abuse the system, a few songs here and there don't hurt anyone...
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but the Canadian government prevents dumb countries (ie. USA) to get out address, names and information. It is a PRIVACY law here in Canuck land. This is a great motive of Canada, to get people to live here
so next time, double check and make sure the person you are writing to really cares about all that. I am protected by the government, and hopefully always will be. and NO this doesn't mean i can automatically have immunity to all this, i don't abuse the system, a few songs here and there don't hurt anyone...
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I was speaking in general terms... I'm sorry if this confused you, I'll type real slowly from now on so you can keep up.
Privacy Laws are not the reason you can download with virtual impunity in Canada, it's the fact that the media companies were able to successfully lobby the Canadian government to enact levies on blank recording media in the 80's.
Canadian citizens were ticked about this at the time, but now it's swung around to bite the media companies in the butt, because your courts have ruled that since Canadian citizens have already paid for the right to make copies of copyrighted works, downloading from the Internet is not a violation of the law.
The media companies were unsuccessful in their attempts to get the same levies in the USA because our system considered it unfair to tax a consumer for blank media which may well be used to record their kid's first steps, music recital, etc… I'm sure that hindsight makes them quite happy about their failure now, since they do not have their hands tied in the USA like they do in Canada.
You also shouldn't dismiss the notion that the media companies will do everything in their power to change your laws. All it takes is the right payoff to the right politicians... and I'd lay odds that the $$$ is snaking it's way around your country as we "speak".
Privacy laws are a completely different thing, and they are NOT related to any effort by Canada to lure people into moving there (sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you). In case you hadn't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), the media companies have failed in their efforts to obtain the personal information of ISP customers en mass in the USA as well... you know why??? It's because we have protection of our privacy as well (THAT must be a stunner for you... I'll pause to give you time to collect yourself).
Pause
Pause
All better? Did you get yourself something cool to drink?
OK, good... The media companies looking to obtain the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) of alleged violators are going to be forced to obtain disclosure rulings from the courts on an individual basis... one alleged violator at a time. This is a much more time consuming and expensive process, and it should be. It would be horrible if a company could force any other entity to release PII to them based on a claim of inappropriate activity, they should always be forced to meet the minimum legal bar of evidence before a court compels the holder to release the information. After all, in these cases, the companies often have privacy agreements with their customers that they are legally compelled to abide.
Maybe next time YOU should double check to ensure you know what you’re talking about!!! Oh yeah...
QUOTE(Monkeys4me @ Dec 29 2004, 23:55)
I was speaking in general terms... I'm sorry if this confused you, I'll type real slowly from now on so you can keep up.
Privacy Laws are not the reason you can download with virtual impunity in Canada, it's the fact that the media companies were able to successfully lobby the Canadian government to enact levies on blank recording media in the 80's.
Canadian citizens were ticked about this at the time, but now it's swung around to bite the media companies in the butt, because your courts have ruled that since Canadian citizens have already paid for the right to make copies of copyrighted works, downloading from the Internet is not a violation of the law.
The media companies were unsuccessful in their attempts to get the same levies in the USA because our system considered it unfair to tax a consumer for blank media which may well be used to record their kid's first steps, music recital, etc… I'm sure that hindsight makes them quite happy about their failure now, since they do not have their hands tied in the USA like they do in Canada.
You also shouldn't dismiss the notion that the media companies will do everything in their power to change your laws. All it takes is the right payoff to the right politicians... and I'd lay odds that the $$$ is snaking it's way around your country as we "speak".
Privacy laws are a completely different thing, and they are NOT related to any effort by Canada to lure people into moving there (sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you). In case you hadn't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), the media companies have failed in their efforts to obtain the personal information of ISP customers en mass in the USA as well... you know why??? It's because we have protection of our privacy as well (THAT must be a stunner for you... I'll pause to give you time to collect yourself).
Pause
Pause
All better? Did you get yourself something cool to drink?
OK, good... The media companies looking to obtain the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) of alleged violators are going to be forced to obtain disclosure rulings from the courts on an individual basis... one alleged violator at a time. This is a much more time consuming and expensive process, and it should be. It would be horrible if a company could force any other entity to release PII to them based on a claim of inappropriate activity, they should always be forced to meet the minimum legal bar of evidence before a court compels the holder to release the information. After all, in these cases, the companies often have privacy agreements with their customers that they are legally compelled to abide.
Maybe next time YOU should double check to ensure you know what you’re talking about!!! Oh yeah...
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Privacy Laws are not the reason you can download with virtual impunity in Canada, it's the fact that the media companies were able to successfully lobby the Canadian government to enact levies on blank recording media in the 80's.
Canadian citizens were ticked about this at the time, but now it's swung around to bite the media companies in the butt, because your courts have ruled that since Canadian citizens have already paid for the right to make copies of copyrighted works, downloading from the Internet is not a violation of the law.
The media companies were unsuccessful in their attempts to get the same levies in the USA because our system considered it unfair to tax a consumer for blank media which may well be used to record their kid's first steps, music recital, etc… I'm sure that hindsight makes them quite happy about their failure now, since they do not have their hands tied in the USA like they do in Canada.
You also shouldn't dismiss the notion that the media companies will do everything in their power to change your laws. All it takes is the right payoff to the right politicians... and I'd lay odds that the $$$ is snaking it's way around your country as we "speak".
Privacy laws are a completely different thing, and they are NOT related to any effort by Canada to lure people into moving there (sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you). In case you hadn't noticed (and I'm sure you haven't), the media companies have failed in their efforts to obtain the personal information of ISP customers en mass in the USA as well... you know why??? It's because we have protection of our privacy as well (THAT must be a stunner for you... I'll pause to give you time to collect yourself).
Pause
Pause
All better? Did you get yourself something cool to drink?
OK, good... The media companies looking to obtain the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) of alleged violators are going to be forced to obtain disclosure rulings from the courts on an individual basis... one alleged violator at a time. This is a much more time consuming and expensive process, and it should be. It would be horrible if a company could force any other entity to release PII to them based on a claim of inappropriate activity, they should always be forced to meet the minimum legal bar of evidence before a court compels the holder to release the information. After all, in these cases, the companies often have privacy agreements with their customers that they are legally compelled to abide.
Maybe next time YOU should double check to ensure you know what you’re talking about!!! Oh yeah...
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Chris Albaugh? Is that you?
QUOTE(Azadre @ Dec 30 2004, 05:04)
Chris Albaugh? Is that you?
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Sorry... too obscure a reference for me. I can't find anything on a forum search, or anything that seems relevent on a Google search, on this person.
[shrugs]
QUOTE(Monkeys4me @ Dec 30 2004, 00:36)
Sorry... too obscure a reference for me. I can't find anything on a forum search, or anything that seems relevent on a Google search, on this person.
[shrugs]
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A person I knew a few years back. He loved to use monkeys in his moniker. I believed I last knew him as MonkeyRme.
QUOTE(Evolution @ Dec 29 2004, 23:34)
Well usually when you download TV shows off the net, you're not downloading the advertisements along with it...so I can certainly see how it's illegal from that side...the series isn't giving you permission to access their media in that method.
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Then what about 'TiVo'ed shows... they have the commercials removed! So are you telling me that TiVo might be doing something illegal?
Also, there are VCRs that skip commercials as well... what about those?
QUOTE(Alpha2004 @ Dec 29 2004, 22:29)
arghh this is bs.
im buying a 500gig hd and im gonna download the internet!
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im buying a 500gig hd and im gonna download the internet!
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got you covered: http://www.onzin.nl/internetdownload/
QUOTE(ECEGatorTuro @ Dec 30 2004, 06:46)
Then what about 'TiVo'ed shows... they have the commercials removed! So are you telling me that TiVo might be doing something illegal? Also, there are VCRs that skip commercials as well... what about those?
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It's perfectly legal to record shows for your own personal use... and it's OK to skip the commercials too (although they're trying to change THAT
).What you don't have the right to do is distribute copies without the owner's permission. While they may choose to air the program over "free" TV, they still retain ownership of it, and may wish to distribute it in other ways to earn revenue off of it (such as airing it in another country or selling it on DVD).
I agree that it can be frustrating when all you want to do is watch a show that you otherwise would miss... especially when it's one that was aired on "free" TV. I wish the studios would provide a method of viewing previously aired shows streamed over the Net. The problem is they still have problems with the fact that they could be viewed in countries where they haven't aired yet, not to mention the contractual obligations they have to their affiliate stations.
It's never as simple as it seems to be on the surface...
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For those who think the announcement will be about exeem
For those who think the announcement will be about exeem
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12. What's happening with eXeem? We don't know this either. An insider has said that there will be no statement about eXeem today.
I'm extremely surprised that people are actually surprised that there is a crack down on torrents. Sound people seen blind sided by this. It was bound to happen. I'm not donating money to such a stupid cause either. It's gonna take a whole lot more than $30,000 to convince the court that P2P is fine as long as copyrighted material is traded.
If the BT clients had search functions with the ability to setup your own tracker, I bet those meanies would go after the software developers too. 
sucks
I hope this site losses and all other sites alike common it main forcus is illegal connent unlike google which is to be a search engin and i wound recomend to google to stop there bot from tracking .torrent
QUOTE(Monkeys4me @ Dec 30 2004, 02:53)
It's perfectly legal to record shows for your own personal use... and it's OK to skip the commercials too (although they're trying to change THAT ).
What you don't have the right to do is distribute copies without the owner's permission. While they may choose to air the program over "free" TV, they still retain ownership of it, and may wish to distribute it in other ways to earn revenue off of it (such as airing it in another country or selling it on DVD).
I agree that it can be frustrating when all you want to do is watch a show that you otherwise would miss... especially when it's one that was aired on "free" TV. I wish the studios would provide a method of viewing previously aired shows streamed over the Net. The problem is they still have problems with the fact that they could be viewed in countries where they haven't aired yet, not to mention the contractual obligations they have to their affiliate stations.
It's never as simple as it seems to be on the surface...
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).What you don't have the right to do is distribute copies without the owner's permission. While they may choose to air the program over "free" TV, they still retain ownership of it, and may wish to distribute it in other ways to earn revenue off of it (such as airing it in another country or selling it on DVD).
I agree that it can be frustrating when all you want to do is watch a show that you otherwise would miss... especially when it's one that was aired on "free" TV. I wish the studios would provide a method of viewing previously aired shows streamed over the Net. The problem is they still have problems with the fact that they could be viewed in countries where they haven't aired yet, not to mention the contractual obligations they have to their affiliate stations.
It's never as simple as it seems to be on the surface...
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But if I'm just downloading an episode then, would that be considered illegal? I'm not intentoinally distributing it but then again, by the nature of BitTorrent, you are kind of sharing it with everyone else. I hate legal crap!
QUOTE(vhcs @ Dec 30 2004, 21:25)
I hope this site losses and all other sites alike common it main forcus is illegal connent unlike google which is to be a search engin and i wound recomend to google to stop there bot from tracking .torrent
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But what if i want to search for the latest linux torrent, why should i be stopped just because some big company doesnt like me seeing their (unrelated) stuff without paying high prices for it?
QUOTE(Nestea_M@n @ Dec 30 2004, 02:14)
Why does the MPAA have to be so anally retentive!!! Arg! 
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When you run a company that provide software or entertainment, you will understand why they have to be, in your words, annally retentive.
Stop paying movie stars $20 million a movie, or start making quality movies, and perhaps I'll be more willing to plunk down $10 to see it.
As for Network Television, I think that might illegal as well, since none of the rips include the advertisments that the networks use for revenue.
As for Network Television, I think that might illegal as well, since none of the rips include the advertisments that the networks use for revenue.
I hate the MPAA with a passion!
30,000 to convince the court, to allow the sharing of copyrigted work worth Millions of dollars.
Loki is just filling its pockets to say the last goodbye.
Loki is just filling its pockets to say the last goodbye.
QUOTE(ECEGatorTuro @ Dec 30 2004, 16:27)
But if I'm just downloading an episode then, would that be considered illegal? I'm not intentoinally distributing it but then again, by the nature of BitTorrent, you are kind of sharing it with everyone else.
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Yes, technically it's illegal.
Setting aside the fact that with BT you're sharing at the same time you're downloading, the people that YOU are getting the bits from are distributing it without the owners permission.
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I hate legal crap!
You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests. The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.
QUOTE(Monkeys4me @ Dec 30 2004, 18:04)
Yes, technically it's illegal.
Setting aside the fact that with BT you're sharing at the same time you're downloading, the people that YOU are getting the bits from are distributing it without the owners permission.
You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests. The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.
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Setting aside the fact that with BT you're sharing at the same time you're downloading, the people that YOU are getting the bits from are distributing it without the owners permission.
You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests. The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.
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YOU just got told!
QUOTE(stncttr908 @ Dec 30 2004, 16:40)
Stop paying movie stars $20 million a movie, or start making quality movies, and perhaps I'll be more willing to plunk down $10 to see it.
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Besides the fact that it's really none of your business how much an actor gets paid for their work, you obviously have no understanding of the economics involved.
The actors who command $20 million salaries have a proven track record of getting people to pay to see the movies they're in, THAT'S why they get that kind of money. Take Julia Roberts for example. her movies have brought in over $2 billion dollars US domestic (we're not even talking about international box office or DVD here)... If you we're making a movie, and she seemed appropriate for the part, don't you think you'd be willing to pay her $20 million to be in your picture if it all but guarenteed a good opening weekend & profitability?
People love to complain about how much a given actor gets paid, but they're right there on opening night to see the movies they're in.
As for you comment on "quality movies"... Please, it makes you look even more foolish. You're saying they're not good enough, so you won't pay to see them, but you will steal them. Your standards seem pretty low if you're willing to go to the trouble to obtain them, and then waste your time watching them when you think they're bad... would you steal & eat a crap sandwich just because you could?
The fact is that most people download them because it's become so easy, plain and simple.
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As for Network Television, I think that might illegal as well, since none of the rips include the advertisments that the networks use for revenue.
It has nothing to do with the ads... I addressed this in an earlier post in this thread.
lucky i read chinese!
anyone else notice the typo in the topic title?
O exeem, where art thou?
There are always better ways to get illegal material, I just use BT for TV shows.
For example here in Mexico you can buy a music CD in the street for US$1.00.
For example here in Mexico you can buy a music CD in the street for US$1.00.
About TV shows... I started downloading them after I checked amazon and found they wern't making any DVDs of the ones I wanted. What am I supposed to do? Just sit around and wait several years for them to bring out even the first season on DVD? Then 5 more years for the next season?? I don't care if it is illegal, give me a way to watch them legally and I will do.
QUOTE(Monkeys4me @ Dec 30 2004, 03:55)
I honestly expect to see the RIAA & MPAA eventually attacking the ISPs... what better way to stop this activity than preventing the users from accessing the Internet in the 1st place. Downloading copywrited materials is already a TOU violation of every major ISP, so it wouldn't be any great sweat for them to kill your account as soon as they receive notice of legal action... and I wouldn't expect an ISP to spend the money fighting for their customer's ability to break the law.
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i'll take my ISP (BT in the UK) as an example.
1.5 million ADSL subscribers alone, each paying somewhere between £18-30 per month.
wouldnt be too much of a stretch, considering the amount of traffic P2P consumes in all its guises, to suggest perhaps at least 50,000 (a tiny proportion) of these users are engaged in downloading illegal material.
now, taking into consideration that BT is taking the guts of about £25 (for simplicity) from each user, theres NO chance in hell of BT ditching these users because it instantly takes £12 million out of the coffers per month.
thats why they havent cut anyone off so far, and wont do unless they get hit for more money than they gain from keeping the customers.
i dont see some foreign MPAA or RIAA coming to one ISP in the UK and demanding a lot any time soon
I just want to point something out...
For those of you who use LokiTorrent. I wouldn't download any movies or TV shows from them, because you can probably guarantee that the torrents are now being watched...
Just something that came to mind... You can now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
For those of you who use LokiTorrent. I wouldn't download any movies or TV shows from them, because you can probably guarantee that the torrents are now being watched...
Just something that came to mind... You can now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
QUOTE(pimpshiznid @ Dec 30 2004, 14:19)
For those of you who use LokiTorrent. I wouldn't download any movies or TV shows from them, because you can probably guarantee that the torrents are now being watched...
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And what's the problem if they know my IP, I'm not in the USA?
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And what's the problem if they know my IP, I'm not in the USA?
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This is the MPAA were talking about... Don't think they won't try and come and get ya.
agreed the MPAA and RIAA will stop at nothing, if they would they will try to somehow repeal the 1980s rulling on videos/ect...
if they could they would charge you for your own home movies/whatnot like they could in Austrailia
if they could they would charge you for your own home movies/whatnot like they could in Austrailia
QUOTE(cal2002 @ Dec 30 2004, 02:14)
They will not win in court. 
If they did, in some magical way, going after users comes next.
Saving P2P is not what this is about, it's about stopping people have pirating content. Get a site going offering/hosting/collecting/archiving/listing legal torrents and it will have no problem.
to the MPAA, IMO. Stoping pirates to a key to the future of online media distrobution with fair rights to both the consumer and the studios.
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If they did, in some magical way, going after users comes next.Saving P2P is not what this is about, it's about stopping people have pirating content. Get a site going offering/hosting/collecting/archiving/listing legal torrents and it will have no problem.
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Of course this will be thrown out of court when it comes up and the MPAA knows this, but their thinking is that if they can keep this in court long enough that it will bankrupt the one they are sueing so that they will shutdown anyways. Its a way for them to pervert the law for themselves. It doesn't matter to them or not if they win in court since it will probably never get that far.
The problem isn't P2P when it comes to piracy since in reality it has very little real affect on sales. The real pirates are those in Asia who sell these things for a profit.
QUOTE(whcodered @ Dec 30 2004, 03:03)
I thought downloading Tv shows was legal..??
Maybe i wont be able to get some of the Family Guy episodes anymore..
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Maybe i wont be able to get some of the Family Guy episodes anymore..
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If you live in Canada and only download for personal use it is not illegal. We pay a little extra tax on media which is suppose to go to the artists involved. Just recently they took this extra tax off of MP3 players because it was seen as "unconstitutional", that saves about $24 per unit.
QUOTE(creamhackered @ Dec 30 2004, 03:07)
Good, if you setup an illegal site distributing illegal material then you deserve it.
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Torrents files themselves are not illegal. That is why this case will be thrownout when it comes to court. They host none of these programs. It is almost like suing a movie listing in a newspaper. Both tell you where to get the movie without actually having the movie itself.
QUOTE(Xtreme $niper @ Dec 30 2004, 01:47)
Give em hell, loki.
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Rock on. Don't just give 'em hell, give 'em major hell.
BT will live, and will live forever. There will be too many for the MPAA to take over.
We will find a way.
QUOTE(Jelly2003 @ Dec 29 2004, 21:57)
I doubt it, because BT also represents a free way to distribute large files.
There are people making money from setting up pay per download services, BT is a threat to them as well.
I'm totally against people using Bittorent to download movies, but I am guilty of downloading a few TV shows that never get a release here in Australia.
Perhaps, to stop people downloading TV shows, then these companies perhaps need to make the DVD sets more affordable and better value. Perhaps we also need to see quicker theatre to DVD releases.
Some TV series only package 2 shows on a disc, yet they charge between AU$25 and $35 for them. Perhaps if you got 6 - 10 episodes for $40, it might be worth buying them.
So what I'm saying is that if these companies stopped being greedy and created good value box sets, stop charging what seems more and more for movies, and had quicker theatre to DVD releases, they might find a decline in piracy.
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There are people making money from setting up pay per download services, BT is a threat to them as well.
I'm totally against people using Bittorent to download movies, but I am guilty of downloading a few TV shows that never get a release here in Australia.
Perhaps, to stop people downloading TV shows, then these companies perhaps need to make the DVD sets more affordable and better value. Perhaps we also need to see quicker theatre to DVD releases.
Some TV series only package 2 shows on a disc, yet they charge between AU$25 and $35 for them. Perhaps if you got 6 - 10 episodes for $40, it might be worth buying them.
So what I'm saying is that if these companies stopped being greedy and created good value box sets, stop charging what seems more and more for movies, and had quicker theatre to DVD releases, they might find a decline in piracy.
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i hear you...i download tv shows (british and US) off bittorrent that i miss on tv or otherwise can't get. i agree the boxsets are relatively expensive. but i'd rather them not offer the MPAA stuff than shut the site down like supernova did. there are plenty of other things that i use bittorrent for, most of which isn't movies. i use it mostly for anime.
QUOTE(pimpshiznid @ Dec 30 2004, 19:19)
I just want to point something out...
For those of you who use LokiTorrent. I wouldn't download any movies or TV shows from them, because you can probably guarantee that the torrents are now being watched...
Just something that came to mind... You can now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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For those of you who use LokiTorrent. I wouldn't download any movies or TV shows from them, because you can probably guarantee that the torrents are now being watched...
Just something that came to mind... You can now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Peer Guardian or ProtoWall will take care of much of that worry since they are designed to block such things. Protowall is the better of the two, though.
Thats too bad. I dont like MPAA or RIAA. There will always be an alternative that no one seems to care about and I am not quite sure why....the newsgroups. I can get anything I want there and usually faster. With all these lawsuits, maybe they will get even better as more people move to them...dunno. 
QUOTE(zerbe @ Dec 30 2004, 22:28)
Thats too bad. I dont like MPAA or RIAA. There will always be an alternative that no one seems to care about and I am not quite sure why....the newsgroups. I can get anything I want there and usually faster. With all these lawsuits, maybe they will get even better as more people move to them...dunno.
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Its called evolution.
QUOTE(loki)
suing me is tantamount to suing the highway department for drug smugglers using their roads. And like the highway system, the benefits of such a system unmistakably outweigh the side-effects.
No loki its nothing like that, you are like a drug dealer, you don't make the drugs you don't force people to take them. But you do hook people up with them.
The MPAA will crush you, give up now or you could end up owing 100s of thousands of dollars in court fees and damages.
the ting is here that so meny ppl use limewire and bittorrent that evntualy that will have to give up i meant evan cops and stuff proboley download stuff from BT and P2P in canada it is alredy happining i mean we (canadians) are alowed to download and use this stuff ect. just cant distrubute it in other words we give up download away i mean i download some songs but it is not stoping me from buying the cd becuse i wouldent buy it anyway same wit software becuse it is expensive i know it would be hard to make it with out cash but i just dont buy cd`s or soft ware becuse it is a waist of my money becuse i might not like all the songs on the cd right.
just my 2 cents about this
i mean i download some songs but it is not stoping me from buying the cd becuse i wouldent buy it anyway same wit software becuse it is expensive i know it would be hard to make it with out cash but i just dont buy cd`s or soft ware becuse it is a waist of my money becuse i might not like all the songs on the cd right.just my 2 cents about this
MPAA is just another association here to be the "good cop" and believe they can put an end to P2P BT. But remember, theres 100,000,000 users out there with a totally different mind of thinking. This is why eXeem will be another program they will have to get around. sucks to be RIAA and MPAA right now.
I LOVE CANADA!
I LOVE CANADA!
QUOTE(Valiant @ Dec 30 2004, 23:41)
No loki its nothing like that, you are like a drug dealer, you don't make the drugs you don't force people to take them. But you do hook people up with them.
Wrong, Loki is like the newspaper's movie listings. A drug dealer directly provides the drugs, Loki doesn't.
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The MPAA will crush you, give up now or you could end up owing 100s of thousands of dollars in court fees and damages.
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All it will take eventually is a class action suite against groups like MPAA and the RIAA to expose them for what they truly are since they work to circumvent the law. What they are doing is like having sex to protect one's virginity. They say that it is wrong when people break the law by downloading yet they ignore the law themselves when they work to circumvent it in order to get what they want. If Loki's case goes to court the MPAA's case will be thrown out because it has no legal merit since Loki isn't doing anything that is actually illegal. The MPAA hopes that this will never actually get to court because of this and that they can bankrupt Loki before it even gets to it. Court is the last thing they actually want.
QUOTE(predator001 @ Dec 30 2004, 19:14)
i'll take my ISP (BT in the UK) as an example.
1.5 million ADSL subscribers alone, each paying somewhere between £18-30 per month.
wouldnt be too much of a stretch, considering the amount of traffic P2P consumes in all its guises, to suggest perhaps at least 50,000 (a tiny proportion) of these users are engaged in downloading illegal material.
now, taking into consideration that BT is taking the guts of about £25 (for simplicity) from each user, theres NO chance in hell of BT ditching these users because it instantly takes £12 million out of the coffers per month.
thats why they havent cut anyone off so far, and wont do unless they get hit for more money than they gain from keeping the customers.
i dont see some foreign MPAA or RIAA coming to one ISP in the UK and demanding a lot any time soon
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1.5 million ADSL subscribers alone, each paying somewhere between £18-30 per month.
wouldnt be too much of a stretch, considering the amount of traffic P2P consumes in all its guises, to suggest perhaps at least 50,000 (a tiny proportion) of these users are engaged in downloading illegal material.
now, taking into consideration that BT is taking the guts of about £25 (for simplicity) from each user, theres NO chance in hell of BT ditching these users because it instantly takes £12 million out of the coffers per month.
thats why they havent cut anyone off so far, and wont do unless they get hit for more money than they gain from keeping the customers.
i dont see some foreign MPAA or RIAA coming to one ISP in the UK and demanding a lot any time soon
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If they begin going after them you’ll definitely see the ISPs begin to actively enforce their TOUs… it’ll be necessary for them to do so to show that they’re taking reasonable steps to prevent illegal activities from occurring on their network. If they fail to do this they’ll leave themselves open to potential punitive damage awards which could bankrupt their company.
Besides, they won’t have to terminate every account anyway… if they begin sending out violation notices & publicly terminating a handful of accounts most of the others will snap into line. People are willing to take the chance of illegal downloading as long as they feel the chance of getting caught & punished are low… as soon as that changes, most of them will give it up.
When the RIAA first began suing individuals the volume of illegal file sharing dropped dramatically, but as soon as they encountered their legal setbacks (the inability to obtain the PII of alleged offenders without a court order), and people felt safe downloading the files again, the level of activity rose.
Anyone that believes that their ISP is going to spend millions in legal fees to fight for the ability of their users to violate copyright laws is deluding themselves. At the very least, the ISPs would be happy to see a decline in P2P usage since it accounts for an enormous amount of bandwidth that they have to pay for every month. That means it cuts into their profits… and if you think their in business for anything other than maximizing their profits, you’re more than delusional… you’re batsh*t crazy!!!
TB was my favorite torrent site 
I personally stopped downloading illegally a long time ago, just because i didnt want to get sued. Now i do something which is far more illegal *cough* blockbuster* and i'll never get caught!!!! they cant track what isnt connected to the web! heheheh!
GIVE EM HELL!!
GIVE EM HELL!!
QUOTE(Gowcra @ Dec 31 2004, 01:08)
I personally stopped downloading illegally a long time ago, just because i didnt want to get sued. Now i do something which is far more illegal *cough* blockbuster* and i'll never get caught!!!! they cant track what isnt connected to the web! heheheh!
GIVE EM HELL!!
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GIVE EM HELL!!
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Yeah brother!!! ROCK ON
NNOOO!!! first... suprnova... then lokitorrent.. whats next!?
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