Neowin Forums > Selling iPod, get me a new mp3 player!

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 19:26

Had my iPod 3G 20GB (IMO is the best generation of iPod) for almost a year now, and the time has come to sell it and move on. I hae always been a strong believer that the iPod is the best overall mp3 player and i still do, but now im looking to go onto a different make of mp3. Why you might ask, the reason is that 20GB is too much for me, the battery life is ok, but not long enough for me, stupid programs like itunes to upload music onto the iPod annoys me (still a good program to play music, and i no you can get other software), my iPod randomly locks up on me, and how everyone i know has an iPod, which is a good thing i guess, but i like to have an mp3 which people dont have. Want to be unique

because knowone who i knew had an iPod when i first got it, till a couple of months ago. Anyway, im looking to get a new mp3 for around 250GBP, maybe something between 5-15GB space. Long battery life. Good quality mp3. Nice interface. Easy to use. Dont mind if its colour or not.

So please show me some alternatives. Cheers.

PaulCabby

Jan 5 2005, 19:29

Creative Zen Micro?

cvcduty

Jan 5 2005, 19:29

Check out Rio Carbon... I have one along with a 40GB Ipod... Ipod stays home and my new Rio Carbon travels with me now.

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 19:34

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...9234890-7135666

Thats what you want, does everything you want for £219, way better than the iPod

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 19:34

QUOTE(paulstones @ Jan 5 2005, 19:29)

Creative Zen Micro?
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I dont really like it that much, and i have herd some bad reviews on it

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 19:35

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 19:34)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...9234890-7135666

Thats what you want, does everything you want for £219, way better than the iPod
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How is it better then the ipod?

Mx²

Jan 5 2005, 19:36

Creative Zen Micro all the way

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 19:45

does anyone have an iriver h320 themself?

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 19:51

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 20:35)

How is it better then the ipod?
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Better because, it lasts 16 hours with colour screem , supports more formats , more value for money , batt dosent die after a year. Easy to use, driverless and loads of other good stuff, also radio, in built microphone etc

Hope this helps, searching around the Net will give you good reviews, many people on Neowin have the 320, vice king has it for example

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 19:55

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 19:51)

Better because, it lasts 16 hours with colour screem , supports more formats , more value for money , batt dosent die after a year. Easy to use, driverless and loads of other good stuff, also radio, in built microphone etc

Hope this helps, searching around the Net will give you good reviews, many people on Neowin have the 320, vice king has it for example
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Nor does the battery life for the iPod, had mine for about a year, still maintains 8 hours. Is it really that thick? i herd the controls are pretty hard to use?
Does bangbang023 have one? i would like to hear his views on it.

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 19:59

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 20:55)

Nor does the battery life for the iPod, had mine for about a year, still maintains 8 hours. Is it really that thick? i herd the controls are pretty hard to use?
Does bangbang023 have one? i would like to hear his views on it.
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No they aint really think, compared my 40gb iRiver up against a 40gb Ipod 4th gen and was only like 3 mm thicker. The controls are so easy after like 5 mins of playing with them

dragon2611

Jan 5 2005, 20:00

i have the novatech npod mp3 player and like it because it shows up as a harddrive and all i have to do is copy the files accross although it annoyingly has no mp3 search function and can be a bit of a pain to navigate at times

http://novatech.co.uk

MioTheGreat

Jan 5 2005, 20:05

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 14:45)

does anyone have an iriver h320 themself?
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I do! It's the best mp3 player in existance....

...and it plays video......

I mean, In some movies the 10fps frame rate is annoying, but on Animated series, like The Simpsons or Family Guy, you can't really tell.

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 20:15

could you take some real pics of the iriver?

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 20:16

what kind of colour quality is it? the ipod photo is something like 60k, whats the iriver h320?

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 20:21

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 21:15)

could you take some real pics of the iriver?
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http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=266710

Pics and stuff there

Screen is 260k colour whereas Ipod is only 62k so iirc the iRiver is much better

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 20:28

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 20:21)

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=266710

Pics and stuff there

Screen is 260k colour whereas Ipod is only 62k so iirc the iRiver is much better
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wow thats actually really good.

PrototypeX2

Jan 5 2005, 21:01

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 13:28)

wow thats actually really good.
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It is. And as someone already suggested, try Rio Carbon. 20-hour rechargable battery and 5 gig! The look is sleek and chromish! I didn't get to try it because the store didn't have it in stock, but definitely got my vote for your "Too much space and small battery life" problem.
I like H10.

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 21:25

i just think the rio is horrible

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 21:35

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 22:25)

i just think the rio is horrible
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Yup they are imo

PrototypeX2

Jan 5 2005, 21:46

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 14:35)

Yup they are imo
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Then perhaps Creative Nomad MuVo2?- user posted image

Product type-- Digital player
PC interface(s) supported-- Hi-Speed USB
Flash memory installed-- 128 hour(s)
Digital storage-- Built-in 4 GB Hard disk drive
Digital formats supported-- MP3, WAV, WMA
Signal-to-noise ratio-- 98 dB
Total harmonic distortion-- 0.05%
Weight-- 3.2 oz
Dimensions (W x D x H)-- 2.6 in x 0.8 in x 2.6 in
Battery technology-- Lithium ion
Mfr estimated battery life-- 14 hour(s)
Software type-- Creative MediaSource
Microsoft PlaysForSure-- Yes
Built-in display-- LCD
CD system-- None
Cassette system type-- None
Tuner type-- None
MD system type-- None
Remote control-- None
Headphones type-- Binaural
Cable(s) included-- USB cable - External
Battery-- 1 x Lithium ion Rechargeable Player batteryInternal

Taken from http://reviews.cnet.com/Creative_Nomad_MuV...l?tag=pdtl-list

XanDaMan

Jan 5 2005, 21:52

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 19:51)

batt dosent die after a year.
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The anti ipod fanboys really do make themselves flamebait these days.

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 21:55

QUOTE(XanDaMan @ Jan 5 2005, 22:52)

The anti ipod fanboys really do make themselves flamebait these days.
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Well I wasnt sure if it was resolved or not

moeburn

Jan 5 2005, 21:57

QUOTE(XanDaMan @ Jan 5 2005, 17:52)

The anti ipod fanboys really do make themselves flamebait these days.
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PARTISAN HACKERY!!!

/sarcasm

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 21:58

it all depends on how you treat the battery, people who buy iPods should understand thos types of batterys dont last forever. Is it worth getting the full H320 or the lite version?

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 22:08

QUOTE

Full Version
# 20GB digital audio player
# Remote Controller Without Display
# Installation CD
# User's Manual
# Carrying case
# USB 2.0 Cable
# AC Adapter (DC 5.0V, 2A)
# External Mic
# Line-in/out Cable
# Quick Start Guide
# Cradle (iHP-340)
# External Battery Pack
# USB host cable

QUOTE

Lite Version
# 20GB digital audio player
# Installation CD
# User's Manual
# Carrying case
# USB 2.0 Cable
# AC Adapter (DC 5.0V, 2A)
# Line-in/out Cable
# Quick Start Guide
# USB host cable

Thats the difference and a £50 price tag

PrototypeX2

Jan 5 2005, 22:10

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 15:08)

Thats the difference and a £50 price tag
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Get a full version. The remote is well worth the money.

moeburn

Jan 5 2005, 22:13

Since people here seem to be too narrow-minded to think of anything other than Apple and Creative, here's a nice change:

http://eng.iaudio.com/zeroboard/product_M3...enu=p&id=cw5000

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 22:15

QUOTE(moeburn @ Jan 5 2005, 23:13)

Since people here seem to be too narrow-minded to think of anything other than Apple and Creative, here's a nice change:

http://eng.iaudio.com/zeroboard/product_M3...enu=p&id=cw5000
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We've been talking about the iRiver which isnt an Apple or Creative product

moeburn

Jan 5 2005, 22:17

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 5 2005, 18:15)

We've been talking about the iRiver which isnt an Apple or Creative product

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I'm sick of your attitude, young man.

Damn kids.

Get off my lawn.

giga

Jan 5 2005, 22:18

I would definately wait for the iAudio X5. Theyre going to announce it at CES.

.KICK

Jan 5 2005, 22:21

QUOTE(moeburn @ Jan 5 2005, 23:17)

I'm sick of your attitude, young man.

Damn kids.

Get off my lawn.
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I aint even on your lawn and I'm sick of your attitude, did you even read the thread before posting as we werent just talking about Apple and Creative

Nevermind back to the topic

Yeah I heard good things about the iAudios but I would still stick with an iRiver

Adam_Brown

Jan 5 2005, 22:24

If the ipod is still up for grabs ill take it email adam@adambrowndesigns.co.uk

Adam

plastikaa

Jan 5 2005, 22:30

Wouldnt change my iPod for anything. Exactly what I want - not crammed with stuff I would never use such as radios, mics and other stuff. And so perfectly easy to use. And about the batteries loads of people dont uderstand lithium batteries. If you use them for like and hour then charge and keep doing this you wear them out really quick and they loose their life. What you want to do is run the battery as close to flat as you can everytime before you charge it up. (even better run it flat everytime) This was you get the most out of them and it increases life so dramatically its unbelievable. They are just like phone batteries. My dad who had the same phone as me and we got within a week of each other charged his phone up every couple of hours beacuse he needs his phone and whenever he gets the chagce he puts it on charge as he has to. As he never really gets long periods to charge the battery. So it never really falls below 80% charge before it gets charged - and then he charges for about 20mins and goes off again. Anway with my phone I let the battery get about 95% empty before I charged and then put on for several hours until fully charged. The result - his battery now lasts about 2 hours before having to be charged as the battery has gone flat and mine lasts over a week

. And no its not a battery with a defect as all 8 of the phones hes had has done this - but he relies on his phoen and this is how he has to charge it so he has no choice.

So ignore what people say about the batteries - if you know how to look after batteries properly they last ages.

saxondale.

Jan 5 2005, 22:38

i really like the iaudio, but my brother wants it, so im going to let him have it

do you have a pricing of the X5?

saxondale.

Jan 6 2005, 00:42

how does the iRiver iHP-120 differ from the H320?

PrototypeX2

Jan 6 2005, 01:03

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 17:42)

how does the iRiver iHP-120 differ from the H320?
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It obviously has some more features and fixed programming, and of course, the colour LCD.

MonkeyClaw

Jan 6 2005, 03:11

QUOTE(plastikaa @ Jan 5 2005, 17:30)

Wouldnt change my iPod for anything. Exactly what I want - not crammed with stuff I would never use such as radios, mics and other stuff. And so perfectly easy to use. And about the batteries loads of people dont uderstand lithium batteries. If you use them for like and hour then charge and keep doing this you wear them out really quick and they loose their life. What you want to do is run the battery as close to flat as you can everytime before you charge it up. (even better run it flat everytime) This was you get the most out of them and it increases life so dramatically its unbelievable. They are just like phone batteries. My dad who had the same phone as me and we got within a week of each other charged his phone up every couple of hours beacuse he needs his phone and whenever he gets the chagce he puts it on charge as he has to. As he never really gets long periods to charge the battery. So it never really falls below 80% charge before it gets charged - and then he charges for about 20mins and goes off again. Anway with my phone I let the battery get about 95% empty before I charged and then put on for several hours until fully charged. The result - his battery now lasts about 2 hours before having to be charged as the battery has gone flat and mine lasts over a week

. And no its not a battery with a defect as all 8 of the phones hes had has done this - but he relies on his phoen and this is how he has to charge it so he has no choice.

So ignore what people say about the batteries - if you know how to look after batteries properly they last ages.
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well really the bset method is to just use it and not charge it till its near empty, like when u arent using it, just leave it asleep instead of charging it. the battery is capable of 500 charge cycles before it begins to show degraded life. That means if u were to have it completely charged everyday and empty it that same day and have it completely chareged the next, it would last u bout a year and a half. If u were to do this every other day, it would last u 3 years, and so on and so on. So if u want to make that thing last, just dont charge it till its needed, and if possible when charging it, dont let it complete a full charge. Chances are, the battery will out live the hard drive.

Back on topic, i really dont have quite a say in this since all i have is an iPod, but i would probably go with the iRiver. It is an awesome thing with an awesome price tag. I personally dont need all the stuff on it so i just went with the iPod, but if u are looking for something different, IMO go with the iRiver.

Monkeh

Jan 6 2005, 04:24

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 5 2005, 17:38)

i really like the iaudio, but my brother wants it, so im going to let him have it

do you have a pricing of the X5?
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Hopefully they'll have an estimate tommorow (or btw. 6th to 8th Jan.).

Also, if you don't want video playback or picture viewing, there's supposed to be a M5 too (to replace the M3). The M3 is IMO the best mp3 player currently availble in N.A., so if the M5 improves on the M3 design... *drool*

saxondale.

Jan 6 2005, 12:05

QUOTE(Monkeh @ Jan 6 2005, 04:24)

Hopefully they'll have an estimate tommorow (or btw. 6th to 8th Jan.).

Also, if you don't want video playback or picture viewing, there's supposed to be a M5 too (to replace the M3). The M3 is IMO the best mp3 player currently availble in N.A., so if the M5 improves on the M3 design... *drool*

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i guess i will wait for a bit and see what the price is and specs. the thing which is keeping me away from the iriver is the look and size of it. Its bigger than the iPod Photo, and thats like a brick!

.KICK

Jan 6 2005, 13:14

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 6 2005, 01:42)

how does the iRiver iHP-120 differ from the H320?
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Well, the H3xx series have a gd colour lcd screen , can view pictures and videos. Can record songs directly off the radio. Few fixes, supports syncing with WMP10. And can have an external batterey pack for longer listening

There are loads more, just cant think of any atm

rIaHc3

Jan 6 2005, 13:24

iRiver H320...Great reviews, featurefull, and a good value for the money. It was the MP3 player of my choice that i was gonna get.

MioTheGreat

Jan 6 2005, 13:24

Get the lite version and pick up a dock. Wait on the remote, as the H3x0 remote with the LCD is going to be released very soon. (It's only available in Korea and Japan atm.)

Here's a pic of the new remote:

https://www.iriver.co.jp/images/ecommerce/a...ry_77_large.jpg

saxondale.

Jan 6 2005, 21:46

i dont really care for the remote too much, if i need it that much, i would buy it in the future. rIaHc3, you said that you were going to get it, so what did you get instead?

.KICK

Jan 6 2005, 23:52

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 6 2005, 22:46)

i dont really care for the remote too much, if i need it that much, i would buy it in the future. rIaHc3, you said that you were going to get it, so what did you get instead?
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If you dont care for remote of cradle, I would get the Lite version of 320

, remotes can be brought for cheap in future anyway , same with cradle

Rishdeep

Jan 7 2005, 00:10

Ever consider the Sony NW-HD3?

30 hour battery life / 20gig / Supports MP3 files now. And smaller then the iPod.

saxondale.

Jan 7 2005, 00:13

its sleek, but the iriver has much more options, and i hate the screen on the sony one.
I would like the cradle aswell.

.KICK

Jan 7 2005, 00:16

QUOTE(Rishdeep @ Jan 7 2005, 01:10)

Ever consider the Sony NW-HD3?

30 hour battery life / 20gig / Supports MP3 files now. And smaller then the iPod.
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Heard really bad things about the Sony MP3 players atm

saxondale.

Jan 7 2005, 00:16

QUOTE(.KICK @ Jan 7 2005, 00:16)

Heard really bad things about the Sony MP3 players atm
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care to share? apart from the atrac issue, which has been sorted.

.KICK

Jan 7 2005, 00:22

QUOTE(bingham. @ Jan 7 2005, 01:16)

care to share? apart from the atrac issue, which has been sorted.
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Wasnt about the atreac, was at first but isnt the case now, read some reviews online and some forums , cant remeber now, but they had audio issues, playing issues, durability and the interfance, not very easy to use and irritating at times.