Ive seen many topics and posts here on there being players better than the ipod, ones that look better and have more features and better battery life and that have a better interface. The downside to this is I have not really seen the name of any player attached to any of these posts.

Im looking for something that has 20gb or storage.
Something thats under $200 (on ebay or newegg).

Thats it, I want it to look cool of course, battery life is not that big a deal for me, im just going to plug it into my car.

So have at it, post pictures too so I know what "better looking than an ipod" is in your oppinion.

To my knowledge, nothing fits your criteria. If you bump that up to $300, get an iRiver H320.



Edit: Actually, there is one, but I think it's ugly.

Archos Gmini 120

http://www.archos.com/products/overview/gmini_120.html

updated criteria

Creative Zen Micro
http://reviews.cnet.com/Creative_Zen_Micro...l?tag=pdtl-list

Rio Carbon
http://reviews.cnet.com/Rio_Carbon_5GB/450...l?tag=pdtl-list

I would go with either of these two. They are more not 20gb, but worth the price

Yep. $200 for a 20GB DAP that has more features, better interface, better battery, and better looks is going to be pretty hard to find for new.

there isnt much for more than $200 that meets your criteria at this point. i dont even think the 20gb ipod is any less than $200 (correct me if i'm wrong)

anyone wanna trade me a 20gb ipod for a nintendo ds and a bunch of games

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ronics&n=507846

This is the best I could find for your budget although its just $50 over

Edit - Your from Canada, hold on

Yeah nothing for $200 CDN

I'd recommend a used iRiver iHP-120 (seeing as you mentioned eBay) or a Creative Zen Touch, if you can afford it.

The first is a highly competent and well rounded player, the second is bulkier but with the best sound quality on the market.

Your call.

For a little more you can get a Zen Touch.

The interface and quality of the iPod really can't be beat. Even the mini, which I own, would be something sure to look at. Just don't condemn the iPod until you've used one.

Hah. I'd love to see that as well. And better looks, i'm not seeing any that come close. For some that sony one is close.

However, for battery life. Anything.

No, im from California (CA). Doesn't Apple sell the 20gb iPod to students for $250. Where can I get that deal?

yea im not aware of anything that beats th looks and user interface of the iPod, but there are others out there that do have more features and much better sound and battery. im partial to the iPod cause it fits my needs and i love mine but there are better players interms of battery and sound. But if u are looking for simplicity and design, the iPod is the best out there. If u are a features person go with the iRiver if u can afford it. i dont think there is a player out there that meets your reqs though.

I think that is California, not sure though.

Keep an eye open on:
http://www.nomadness.net/modules.php?name=...=viewforum&f=28
for ALL Creative Products.

The interface is great, I agree, but the quality is not. I found the build quality of the iPod I owned to be below average (the shell would come apart slightly; the firewire connector wasn't secured and fell off; the headphones broke; sound would sometimes cut out and only return with the next song; crackling when applying most EQ settings; limitation of volume with European models) and the sound quality was poor - I disliked it so much that I ended up selling it within a month or two. When paying £400 for an MP3 player I expect it to work, not to be blighted by silly issues and poor sound quality.

I think the Zen Micro looks interesting, especially with 98dB SNR (the iPod's is undisclosed, but meant to be in the 80's). I may consider getting one if the price drops a bit, but I'm hardly bothered at the moment.

^ Looks like you banged up your iPod a lot? My 3G = excellent condition with only a few scratches on the back.

nothing fits my description? whats wrong with the zen xtra 30gb player? Thas $200 on newegg...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-102-127&depa=0

i had the same question/thread about 2 weeks back. was also looking for an mp3player under $200. the creative zen touch 20gb is for sale for $199 here.
but i ended up getting myself a creative muvo 2 4gb

where is it for sale at?

i'm located in germany so you hafto look for a dealer in your country/area

oh you said here, and I was like... right... they are at least $240 here. Whats bad about the zen xtras?

choose your poison...


zen micro... seriously it rocks...

Slightly off topic but I've used iPod and iPod mini... and I've seen a number of iPods with dramatically reduced battery life cos of the crap rechargable they fit inside it.

So I bought a 1GB solid-state iRiver iFP899 and it's the best piece of consumer electronics I've ever bought. 40hrs battery time, no moving parts, MP3/WMA/ASF/OGG support, playback speed control, records radio straight to MP3 at up to 320kbps, records to MP3 from line-in socket, records to MP3 from inbuilt mic, can be flashed with UMS firmware to turn it into a USB removable drive, takes a normal AA battery and is about 1½ times the size of a Clipper cigarette lighter.

It also has a pre-amp inside it that's more powerful than any MP3 player I've come across, so you can use a nice, large chunky pair of headphones without having to max out the volume.

iPod had it's day... now it's just a reassuringly expensive fashion accessory worn by overpaid ponces in London who've filled it to 11% of it's capacity and have no clue what they're carrying.

So call me a cynic. But I'm a cynic who's quite happy with 20 hours worth of tunes on his iFP and I'll be bopping my head loosely in time to my beats long after all the idiots have sent their iPods back with £100 to get the rechargable battery replaced and are just undoing their trousers waiting for Steve Jobs to gently slide his scaly satanic pecker up their @rse.