This is mostly for the Australians of us here at Neowin. This is an age-old Australian question, and one that I take pride in been the first to ask here:

Holden or Ford?


(I voted Holden. Commodore is teh win )

The Australians?

You know other countries have Holdens too

Guess which way I voted.

Whoops, forget you Kiwis .

You'd think I might rise to the bait, but we all know that Australisns have that inferiority complex

OM*G! HOLDEN R0X0RS TEH BIG ONE!!11one1

Honestly, they both suck. 'V8 Supercars' competition just makes hype that both of these are good brand cars. In reality, they are just regular quality cars, more expensive than what they're worth, and generally more inefficient than other manufacturers.

When I was shopping around for a new car, the Ford salesman's major selling point was that "It's a Ford", and the Holden salesmen was strutting around in Holden V8 supercar polotops, not actually helping genuine buyer such as myself thinking that the cars sell themselves because they are Holden.


The only real selling point is uniqueness that they are cars specific to Australia (and NZ and Saudi Arabia), but that's null and void because both companies are American owned anyway.

Holden. Commodore all the way mate.

Holden because it's GM. We got a Holden in the States, it's called the Pontiac GTO.

I like the Holden Commodore myself.

wow quick reply i could rip apart jus about everything u said but i wont cause its about to rain and im not risking me pc. the only thing which i agree is they are both owned by general motors.

well the only US Holden is the new GT0 which looks like a gradPrix and needs a retuned 350hp ls2 to match a 320hp mustang that you can get or 3k cheaper, or spend 2k more and get a Cobra and make the GTO look stupid.

For the price of the Holden "GTO" you can get better cars. It doesnt impress me any.

Price------Car--------1/4 Mile---HP----Engine size
30k Mustang Mach1: 13.2------320----4.6l
33k Pontac GTO: ----13.2------400----6.0l
35k Mustang Cobra: 12.8------390----SC 4.6l

I voted Ford.

I was watching one of these races recently on Speed Channel and one of the drivers hit a kangaroo that was crossing the track. Did anyone else see it? That thing really flew after getting hit.

Holden. Their designs most of the time are ahead of Ford's

ahead? dude our(usa) grandPrix has looked like that for like 4yrs over here lol

Holden

ford

who's owned by GM? I know Holden is, but Ford is its own company who owns 7 other car companies.

I voted Ford, sadly the GTO here in the US is just crap.. it looks like any other Pontiac car and there are tons of cars that can out perform it and also cost less.

Those in the US shouldn't really have a say on this, considering that they don't get half of the Holden's that us in Australia/New Zealand do.

Arent holden owned by GM who own ford anyway?

Yup : Holden's parent company, General Motors Corporation, is the world's largest vehicle manufacturer. GM has manufacturing operations in 32 countries and its vehicles are sold in almost 190 countries.

They own everyone it seems http://www.gm.com/

Edit : Ford aren't owned by GM..my bad http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm

uhh we are GM. which owns ford and is Holden too...

Ford own itself, they own mercury, lincoln, and a few others

WTF where are you people getting these ideas that GM owns Ford?

Ford owns:
Lincoln
Mercury
Land Rover
Volvo
Jaguar
Aston Martin
Mazda
and bout 25% ownership of Kia.

GM is made up of.
Chevrolet
Pontiac
Buick
Oldsmobile (believe it or not it is still alive)
Cadillac
Saturn
GMC
Hummer
saab
Opel
Holden
... and that's all i know.

On the american side i can tell you from experience that Ford cars are built better than GM cars.

Not much of a fan of either. I used to be a big Holden fan. Used to follow Peter Brock in the V8 Supercars.

Maybe you don't know about them but they are a much improved version of their regular versions. Designed for Racing. Much like you rice up your own cars in NFS Underground. My parents has a Ford Falcon XR6 and I would say it's a lot more powerful than the regular BA builds. My parents's car's engine has 24 cyclinders (Dad told me) where as the regular version would only have 6. So the V8 Supercars are more powerful than my mum's and dad's car.

I'd go for Ford because I always know they are reliable.

ROFL 24 cylinders are you sure its not 24 valves?

V8 = 8 cylinders
V6 = 6 cylinders

I voted Ford. Mainly because of their latest models (the XR6 Turbo and such) and because I own one

And I agree that non Australians shouldnt be voting, firstly because during my overseas experience I noticed that there is an incredible difference between the American and Australian Fords, the fords here are Aussie built and are nothing like the American ones, Also Although Holdens are rebadged as Cheverolette's in most non Australian countries like Saudi Arabia they still seem to have far less models especially those performance models known as the HSV's here in Australia which is a shame really becasue I know the Saudis would love such cars and theyd sell like pancakes.

Sorry your right, Vice King. My bad. yep 24 valves.

Yes, that was crazy! I've seen rally videos where they've hit cows, and stone walls, but that kangaroo went like, 30 feet in the air!



Not really. You're still stuck with some variation of a V8 engine to work with as a base. Ford certainly makes some good V8 engines, but IMO Ford has never made a very good tuned V8 car themselves (Mustang Cobra, maybe, but they've messed that up enough times to make me not like it). I'm not familiar with what the Holden group runs, over here they get the LS1 and (now) LS2 engines, aluminum, and are amazingly great engines. Le Mans winning kind of engines.

In short, I'd go with Holden, although it's mostly because the only foreign Ford I've ever liked is the Cosworth.

Not really a car person, but Ford's ads are lame, IMO - which makes them funny, and I like it. So I voted for FORD.

Yeah, but you yanks don't have the Holden Commodore (Holden's flagship vehicle down here). The Holden vs Ford debate here in Australia really does focus more on Ford Falcon vs Holden Commodore.

What!? That's just stupid (like Ford's ads). You must be an Asian car fan



Indeed! If Ford made more Australian designed cars, I'm sure they'd be a lot more popular here.

I vote Holden because they were at one stage truly Australian! Nothing beats the image of the adverts for the FJ's and FX's. Go those stubby shorts and VB singlets! They produced the aussie icon Sandman Panel Van - shagging wagon. The One Tonne ute. The holden red motor is classic simple holden engineering at its best. There designs, besides the VN-VS range, have always been ahead of Ford. They also put a lot of work into concept cars like the Monaro and Torana etc. Those reasons alone make them a lot more leading edge then Ford.

Nowadays they run Chevy engines or Vauxhaul cars rebaged or Opel cars. But they still hold that aussie genius that aussie innovation and class that is just so privalent in the Monaro.

DarkMindsProject


And how think we've had the Monaro for? The Monaro is based on the same chasis that was built for the 1997 release of the VT Commodore. It was a concept car at the 1998 melbourne auto show and released a few years later.

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I totally agree. Generally i think Holden and Ford are not as well engineered as other cars in the same price range especially if you want performance and quality.

Ford - Because the other is built in Elizabeth.

I dislike both of them. Holden is getting too aggressive lately...particularly with HSV range. HSV bodykits are far too ricey. They don't use the simple sporty bodykits like AMG use...AMG on the otherhand is far more exclusive.

holden monaro > anything ford makes

vauxhal and gm are even rebranding the monaro, it's a great car, especially for the price

rofl, i saw that. poor poor roo.

ive actually got the video of it. if ya want it just ask....



voted ford, holden r cool, but not cool enof

Well since I haven't been back to my homeland of OZ since 1980 , I live in N.America and am a die hard CHEVY fan, I have to go with Holden all the way .

Ford we have a ford fairlane, its soo comfortable, Ford r0x0rs teh b0x0rz