just wondering why alot of people are complaining about the ipod shuffle and mac mini

ipod shuffle: finally, a USB mp3 player, if i had known that this was coming i wouldve bought it instead of my ipod mini

mac mini: cheapest mac ever, good solid power, u get to pick your own stuff (keyboard, screen, mouse, and speakers)

WAHTS WRONG WITH PEOPLE

'cos flash players r better than 'em. they advertise that they can be used in the gyms etc but they CAN'T so i dont see the point in buyin 'em when i can get a 20gig ipod fer the same or 100$ more price.

I totally agree, then again - you can't please everyone.

iPod Shuffle
I myself don't like the iPod Shuffle (flash memory is still low in capacity), and I also don't like the idea of no screen. Not everyone realises that the iPod Shuffle uses Flash Memory as opposed to the iPod/iPod Mini which uses a HDD. DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY!

Mac Mini
PERFECT! For a switcher like myself. I've been waiting for a new Mac that is powerful and yet cheap. The design is soooo small, and I really admire the work gone into creating this little baby. Obviously it's not as powerful as an iMac or any G5 system, but it's not desgined for the hardcore Mac users - it's primarily desgined for switchers. A low priced decent machine (very small and pretty).

Oh, I'm a WinXP user btw - but with this new Mac Mini, I'm definately switching Q1 2005 (after I've paid off a couple of debts etc.)

Right, so going to the gym is something that cannot be done with the iPod Shuffle..? of course you can go to the gym (it doesn't stop you). I'd prefer to use a Flash Player in the gym as opposed to a HDD version <-- because HDD's are easily damaged due to the moving parts. Just get an armstrap or something to keep it from swinging around on the chain.

well for the ipod shuffle all i have ti say is FINALLY......
as for the mac mini....well i guess its good for someone who wants to try a mac, its not quite powerfull enough for me though, it should use a g5 instead of a g4

ya but just think of the cooling

I think this just goes to show that not all of Steve Job's table scraps are golden.

There are better alternatives out there worth your dollars.

some people will like, some will not. thats life! and about flash players....you can take them to the gym why the hell would you say you cant..stinking thinking

ipodshuffe is overrated, it doesnt even have a lcd screen nor a hdd.

a flash player that doesnt have a hard drive.......duh!!!
man i think people are posting stuff just to post...no thought at all in the post

errrr what do you mean finally? its not like a flashed bashed USB mp3 player is a new concept.. im willing to bet my left testicle that you could find others that are cheaper, have more capacity and have a screen...

im an apple fanboy all the way.. but really, all the shuffle is.. is the same old poop with a different smell

Anyone have any $100 512mb flash players?

Ipod Shuffle is just a bad imitation of all the current MP3 players available at the current time and it seems a bit late to release it now.

-DannyGlass

agreed and the ipod shuffle is peanuts compaired to the creative player (usb thumbdrive/mp3 player/fm radio/voice recorder)

The only fault I see with iPod shuffle is you cant use it with burtons iPod jacket

ipod - shuffle = v v v bad option. open ur eyes .. there are nice options around

mac - mini = there is no contender for this. its a fantastic choice if u want a taste of mac os x .. run some graphic design app or code for mac os. people buying this shud have normal usage and operation demand will totally get satisfied. people who have more than normal and huge demand shudnt be buying a entry level option in first place.


i hate ipod-shuffle . i like mac mini . i have 2 pcs ( athlon and intel p4 pentium) a ibm laptop and never owned a mac. so i am getting mac - mini to taste the waters and mayb it will also satisfy all my needs too .


mah 2 paises

The Shuffle's biggest complaint so far is the lack of a screen. I'm still hopefully they will have an addon to attach an external screen of like 2 lines or so.

i dont like the shuffel but only because its like a usb drive and i got my work to buy one for me. as for the mac mini i think its grate iv always wanted to try OSX but never had the money needed to do it so me thinks wen i next get paid i will be getting one of these

There is absolutely nothing wrong wth the iPod Shuffle. It does the job it was designed to do.

Just because everyone else has a 20GB iPod with 3000 songs on doesn't mean to say that people cannot afford it and have that many songs. The iPod shuffle fixes this perfectly.

Pay up buddy...they may have a screen but larger capacity and being cheaper are two areas flash based mp3 players can't compete. I was at Target last night looking at flash based mp3 players and they're oversized, and they cost in the range of 69-120 bucks for 256mb versions. Sure you can get a no name player for cheap, but for the price point, 512mb isn't bad...

Sometimes people cannot be happy with whatever a company offers. People need to realize that what the see is what they get. If you don't like it then dont buy it but there are still thousands of people out there that would be willing to but the product so I donno. I like both the mini mac and the ipod shuffle, but I already have an 4th gen iPod, but the mini mac interests me.

Why do I hate the iPod Shuffle and Mac Mini?

Because Apple has always been about expensive, quality computers/accessories. They are like the elite of computers, in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept behind the new products: cheaper/smaller makes them more affordable to others.

But think of the long run. If everyone has a Mac, they will turn in to the PC world. More and more viruses will appear on the Mac platform, cheaper, lesser grade hardware will show up in stores, and that's just the beginning.

at first, i thought the shuffle was sort of lame and overrated. then i realized that it's priced very competitively for its market and still looks pretty nice.

I agree. It gives they people who cant afford an iPod or want to give their younger kinds something they can use easily and dont have to worry if it break since it doesnt cost as much as a reg iPod.

If you look at offerings in this market they are all the same sort of design arn't they not? A little finger sized flash device with a screen, buttons thrown on top etc?

So Apple try and better it by going back to basics, flash device must have navigation buttons and voila...simple.

They've hit the nail on the head as far as i'm concerned.

Another problem is this

This guy looks like the worlds biggest retard with his ipod necklace keep it in your pants or something

I totally agree. As soon as I get a few more checks from work, I'm getting a mini. I've wanted to switch for years, and now that there's a <$1k option for a pretty good Mac, I'm all for it. I already have all the extras, too. Monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and MP3 player. I would love to just set this thing on my desk, and not have it hidden like my gigantic PC. I can't wait to get one!

You're totally right about that fact that OS X will become a bigger platform to be targetted by virus writers.

But where are you getting the "cheaper, lesser grade hardware will show up in stores, and that's just the beginning" bit from? Apple still control the whole lot and they are not interested in opening it up for 3rd party clones.

The 4200rpm hdd, non-user upgradable ram (making 1gb very expensive), and awful gpu (even the 5200 go from the 12" powerbook would have atleast supported tiger) are the reasons why I don't like it. I do like most of apples other products though. But the mini and emac get the thumbs down from me. On another note, I actually like the shuffle and would buy one if I didn't already have a mini.

I don't think many people are hating the Mac Mini, infact I've heard nothing BUT good things about this.

The iPod Shuffle, I suppose Apple are trying to take the Flash market and their LCD-less player is most likely going to do the right job. No LCD means cheap price, which ALOT of people will look at before purchasing this product.

you totally missed the point smart guy, the POINT is a MINIMAL and FLASH BASED mp3 player.

I'm buying my iPod Shuffle 1gb thursday and nothing will stop me!!! LoL I read a couple reviews and they said the ear buds exceed that of the normal ipod buds.. maybe they are incorrect but... I like the shuffle.. Finally something I can afford. and I doubt I fill the gig up.. LoL..

Mac Mini = Very sexy, finally targeting people who dont want to spend loads on something that may not be compattible with files that they have from work, etc and just use as an entertainment machine. Great price, i think Apple is going to increase its market share quite dramatically with that offering.

iPod Shuffle = i wish it looked a bit more like this concept from iPod lounge, but its meant to be the smaller and cheaper version of the iPods anyway.

EDITED

Just found a carry case for the Mac Mini (it looks like a ladies purse):
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Source: Tom Bihn

From a reputed company or brand name ? Dont think so.

That is why everybody who managed to trash the iPod shuffle has avoided your question. I wouldnt blame them, cause they have nothing to back their whine up.

ipod shuffle does not have nearly enough for what i would want to put on my mp3 player. to me, the point in having a player is to have all of my music on there, not the greatest hits.

mini mac doesnt seem like a bad idea but im a windows user so i wouldnt know

Both products are aimed specifically at a market - and with that I'd say Apple hit a home run on delivering to each specific market. Sure alot of people are complaining that the Shuffle does not have a screen, but the people who Apple is aiming with the Shuffle don't need a screen. As far as they see it, the Shuffle is not for holding all your music anyway.

i really dislike the ipod shuffle but like the mac mini

ipod shuffle is so stupid, its made for people who like the shuffle feature correct? ipods have the shuffle feature

smaller? they both fit in my pocket

I got a flash mp3 player 512mb on ebay for $53. and it has a screen

ipod shuffle is 100 dollars and doesnt really let you choose music.

i saw 1gb sticks of flash sticks on new egg for $82, where the 512mb ipod shuffle is $100

and if it is geared towards people with small music libraries, they obviously arent really into music, and can make do with a cheaper no name mp3 player, like me

IPOD SHUFFLE:

Pros:
iPod name
syncs with iTunes
Rechargable battery

Cons:
Expensive
No screen
Big
Lack of radio, voice recorder

IPOD MINI:

Pros:
Scratch resisting Aluminum Body
Click wheel
Small as a stack of business cards

Cons:
Price too close to 20GB iPod's

IPOD:

Pros:
>=20GB storage
Amazing controls
Looks nice

Cons:
models higher than 20GB are big/heavy
Battery life is lower than competition's
Sound quality is lower than competition's
Not many accessories included.


iPod Shuffle is meant for people who want but can't afford iPods, or people who own iPod's but want something smaller for activities, and travel.


If you are looking for a good flash MP3 player, walk into your local Pacific-mall with $100 and walk out with something decent.

Stop thinking outloud and try to put your words into coherent sentences before rambing on about things you dont know about.
A)You can use an iPod shuffle without using the shuffle feature. You have to load playlists onto it using iTunes.
B)Its not geared towards people with small music collections. Jogging with an HD player is just not the best for it.
C)If you can make do with a no-name player, then stop whining and just dont buy it.
D)A 1gig flash stick does not play music last time I checked, and was deviod of a headphone jack or an OS for that matter.

Yeesh.

What I don't understand is this:

Say you buy a Mac Mini (1.42 Ghz/80GB) for $599.00. Sounds cheap right? Well, add to that an Apple keyboard and mouse (wired for + $58/wireless for + $99) and a 20-inch Cinema display (an additional $999), you're left with a base price of $1,656 - $1,697.

A bit expensive for what you'd get for that money, I think...

I think the Shuffle is cool, but there are better options out there. The Shuffle does look cool. I think the mini mac is really ugly and the eMac is a better value if you consider you need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Not all people have computer parts laying around.

I have a very unenlightened view about the two products (and I don't care). I think both suck, because Apple made them. I am not trying to be a troll, but I think that there are others out there that would agree with me and my reasoning.

- The iPod shuffle is smaller.

- Saying they the iPod and the Shuffle fits in your pocket Mini and the PowerMac both fit on your desk.

- The Apple Store isn't eBay. Compare the price to something new.

- The iPod shuffle isn't for you to decide which song to play. Hence, the "shuffle" in the name.

- Flash "sticks" (pen drives!) don't play music, don't come with earbuds, and don't have the iPod name.


Seriously don't people know what's cheap when they see it? Clearly the iPod shuffle is a steal if you don't need to decide which song to play.

I like the Mac Mini, but I just think the whole iPod Shuffle is useless

Thats kinda like a Mac users saying "I am not going to buy Microsoft Office for the Mac because it sucks cause Microsoft made them". Does that sound ignorant to you?

I think iPod shuffle is lacking too much things, but Mac mini is super sweet.

Let buy only Mac Mini....because you got those I/O

Then Apple should away to keep themselve cool.

G5 should be in Mac Mini.

You sir, win the unbased unintelligent troll of the day award. Congrats, idiot.