I don't know why people buy stuff from Apple anymore cause it is just repackaged software that was designed by other companies. I can get OpenBSD for free and install it on any i386 I want and be a million times more secure than Windows or any FreeBSD kernel.

For computer beginners, I can see why people would buy one, cause they just damn easy to use, but for most of us, we are tech savvy and I dont know anymore.

if you were to give it a shot and be less ignorant you would have the answer to your questions.

I just prefer to use them over PCs, especially for my design work (Macs are standard in the design industry). However I wouldn't part with my PC at the same time, although I just use it for games and fooling around with Linux (Ubuntu 5.04 currently). Probably will end up replacing the PC with a console though, for my gaming needs.

/me hugs his G5 tower


PS. Are you having a whinge at the OS itself or the hardware or both?

secure
ease of use
nice UI
hmm.... why not..?

Clicky

Those are features, which could be a reason for some.

Why buy an PC? it's all relative me thinks...all a matter of preference really. I'm a PC user and it suits me just fine ...but I'd also like a Mac simply cause they looks so damn cool (I know that's not really a valid reason ...but hey you can't deny they look good )...but seriously, it's all personal preference..well thats my 2 cents.

Then do it and shut up. Why would you come here expecting us to sell you on something?

Because people like them.

Get over yourself and your "omfg im l33t cuz i use openBSD" phase.

I have PC & Mac, they are both great, I don't see there is any reason not to use it.
Also, FreeBSD is the most secure OS according to recent studies. So don't discrimate other OS or computers. They both have their own good point of view.

because they are the best.

NO SPYWARE
NO ADWARE
NO VIRII
NO DEFRAGGING
FASTER SEARCH
EXPOSE!!!
STABILITY
ARE PC COMPATIBLE FOR NETWORKING AND FILES
INDUSTRY STANDARD
FCP
ADOBE CS
MOTION
2x power5 64 bit procs and ability to run N procs

you're possabilities are endless....
Burden of proof is in your court...why not?

As a PC user, I won't knock the Mac. I knocked it for years, and for good reason... until OSX. OSX is a very solid OS. For those that want to talk about "rip offs", it IS true that Apple used an older PPC FreeBSD distro to start from, they did it legally, they made a VERY smart move, and the ammount of innovation and work they have done to put OSX where it is today is a testament in and of itself. I think it's actually beginning to pull away from Windows in alot of areas... certainly in innovation. However, it won't really be able to storm forward without higher support from the application developers, in particular, the gaming industry. Don't get me wrong, they've come a LONG way since the old days when you couldn't play anything decent on a Mac. These days, however, the titles are beginning to come. If they continue their current rate of innovation up until Longhorn comes out, and Longhorn doesn't MAJORLY deliver, I may actually convert. We'll see. It's just as likely that by then I'll be running Linux full time. Ubuntu Hoary is very sweet (again though with the games).

because you can do all those things on a pc...

Yay another pointless Thread oh goody!

if you don't like Mac's then don't buy one we don't wanna hear you bash em.

Thats a good question.

If you can build your computing platform on a fad then more power to you I suppose.



Not sure why I'm compelled to comment on these threads. Maybe because Apple doesn't set right with me for some reason. I'm still not sure what it is. I keep going back to the blind following they have been able to conjure up based on "stylized computing" and the latest gimmick to get fans riled up to upgrade their isomething.

So what's your exact reason for disliking Apple? Because they set trends? That's a crappy reason if you ask me. I've used many OS's and I just find OS X to offer everything that I need. I bought the mac I am using now just to get to try something new, and I liked what was new. Maybe you should actually try one of Apple's products without a closed opinion on it. Many people say they've tried both, but they are not in the right mentality. It's like driving drunk, wrong mentality and wrong situation. Too many people here have closed minds and the world seems to revolve around them and their "non-conformist" opinions.

so why are they still the industry standard?

just wondering

industry standard for what? what industry?

Methinks graphics/media authoring etc ....

Radish™

Like news papers and stuff

a good PC could do just as good as job

Graphics and motion picture mostly.

I bought a Mac when I realized that there was more to my computer experience than clock speed. Like many expensive items, only the owners are able to truly appreciate them while others just stare and say "Why did he buy item B when he could have bought the cheaper item A that does the same thing?". Its difficult to convey an experience in words, so your best option is to try out a Mac and be open minded about it.

its not an industry standard for anything. just because you people say it is, doesnt make it so.

I was just tired of looking at the same old UI day after day, and then looking at the same old BSOD every 10 minutes. I was tired of having to reformat my computer every 3 months because of all the crap it built up.

so does OSX magically change the UI every day? you could chage the theme in xp as well, thats no argument to buy another computer.

and the latest firefox version is 1.0.2

To tell you the truth I don't think it is the OS or the systems as much as the way people tend to be giddy about Apple's style.

I've used older Apple stuff and can't stand it. I don't feel they have started any trends unless you can call legal music downloaidng a trend. They seem to be a smart company or at least Jobbs is a smart guy. If you can sell some of the stuff they have come up with you have to be smart.

I find their commercials to be annoying. I find that they feel the need to make fun of other platforms to sell their own annoying. I guess the company comes off as "artsy fartsy" and that annoys me.

b0b's a bUtt

Let's see.....I'd like you to open a 'How Design Mag' and check out the 'their spaces' feature, every issue, all the design firms are toutin mac's....the newspaper I work @ (campus paper) is run on 15 or so powermacs....as is the newpaper my g/f works at.

It IS the standard...more so in the past...but that's not to say win machines can't cut it...it's just that's what macs are known for...

As for film, well...that's an equally all over the place medium. But I can tell you most lower budget film houses use macs and final cut pro HD.

It's not us that says it is...it's the industry.

not everyone knows how to resource hack...

well its not the OFFICIAL industry standard. PC's dont say "Apple compatible DV software included" on them.

but in windows, you have the option of either

a)reshack for free
b)buy stylexp
c)buy window blinds

in OSX you have

a}buy shapshifter(IIRC)

unique is right

I would go mac if I wasn't such an avid gamer (they gotten better on catalogue just not $$$ for a good mac rig)

Plus it's easier for 's on windows

Maybe I'll grab a G5 powerbook for college next year...

well...

I work on final cut pro and shake at school on dual G5... they are pretty nice machines.. but when it comes to hardcore multitasking... I just think that even with a machine like that... my workflow lag as hell...

I've got to say that I prefer my dual Xeon P4 3Ghz than a dual G5....
...Yes Final Cuts rocks... but come on... it's a freakin editing software.... the new version of premiere does the exact same thing for me.... so I'd say I like final cut interface better... but the end result is the same...

As for shake, I like it.... but GOD DAMN I just prefer digital fusion on PC. Same node based interface... but personnally I think it's waaaay better... version 5 will even include raw 3d import can't wait

And guys... please... I read somewhere in this thread that mac is the industry standard?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Hmmm... for who? web design firm?? heh.... I don't want to go overboard here but i've worked for multiple design firms and the majority of them (i'd say a good 90%) work completely on PC....

Some TV studio I've worked for had some final cut pro stations.... that I can't lie.... but all around.... PC is a lot more used in the industry.... from pharmaceutical companies... up to design firm....

anyway... just my two cents..
it's not like i've never been in the industry... or never tried a mac
just wanted to say what I feel

exactly... some people should think twice before they write...

industry of what???
tell me... which company?? what standard??

I'm not trying to say that PC are the standard here....

but... for what I've seen....
mac are faaaaar from being the industry "preference"

what kind of design work? i do alot of 3d design/thermal modelling work. All the apps are either for unix or windows.

Yeah, it does but it seems to happen about every few months rather than every day. I'm just not sure it's really a feature.

• Open a Finder window and take in brushed metal.
• Then launch Mail and take in Aqua.
• Start terminal and bask in text-based glory.
• Start an X11 app like oo.org and use that "what platfrom is this UI designed for" look.
• Launch GarageBand and take in the 1970's Atari interface style.
• Swing over to Final Cut Pro to see the "Way to professional for you" dark aqua-ish look.
• Take your FCP project into motion and let-loose in the "black monochrome transparent window orgy"
• Start your favorite Java application to see the "Stuck in the OS X public beta" look
• Launch an old copy of KidPix to see the old-school platinum interface.
• Lauch some of the developer tools (Quartz Debug) to see the "I learned interface design at ITT Tech." style.

The next Mac OS promises to add the "ugly gimmick UI style" for dashboard widgets and the "not quiet aqua, not quiet brushed, but check out these ugly bubble icons" look for Mail and probably half a dozen other applications.

lmao so true

print/web design

3d/thermal...I have only seen on nix and win2000.

it doesn't matter what you work on, you can produc pdfs, tiffs, etc... on both a win/mac machine....so have at your preference...

aka. apple cant make up their mind on a unified UI.

who cares we prefer it this way

so the independant window styling found on nix machines is something you'd never touch?

I think the different looks are fun, much more exciting then a blue gradient left to right and some grey, or some fischer price blue/gree and silver.

yet you bash linux for not having a unified GUI.

huh? when did he do that?

i AM a linux user

yes, XP looks like ass unskinned, i agree, but i would prefer it if it all looked the same.

as for linux, i use KDE.

first, KDE apps use QT, duh.

second, gnome apps are done with the gtk-qt engine, which now is pretty mature, so gtk apps look like KDE apps as well

third, OOo has a KDE intefration pack which makes it look like, you guessed it, KDE.

fourth, azureus is the only java app i use, and surprise, surprise, it comes with crystal icons, the default for KDE.

so, yes, i do like a unified UI, and yes, i do use linux.

Edit: @^, i meant "you people" not just "you" im not sure if hes ever done it personally.

so true

who is 'you people'?

I dig both mac/win and have both...albeit I enjoy OSX by bounds, but windows has it's nuances that keeps the tower in my room...for now

I would use the OSX but im so damn used to using the right click on windows

hahaha, right clicking works in osx too Gives you the same kind of contextual menu.

What does that have to do with anything?

The problem with your topic b0b, is that it is obvious by the tone of your topic that your mind is already closed. So why even start this thread, you are just wasting everyones time. No reply is going to satisfy you (unless someone agrees with you) and its obvious.

bob, beh is right...heh, had to do that.

you're just baiting all the fanboi's into a falmewar...

same kind of context menu, there just isnt anything in it

im not sure who it was, but ive heard mac users say that the osx>linux because the linux GUI isnt unified. you even just said it 5 posts ago.