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mrelusive978

Mar 30 2005, 22:33

Digital Nightmares

Please test this link. I have so far found that Mac users will see the site, but Windows users get a blank page (regardless of browser). Just trying to confirm this. Thanks a lot. If anyone can help me to figure out why this would happen, I would appreciate it.

Eli

Mar 30 2005, 22:36

I'm running Windows and all I see is a blank page. No idea why

ljames28

Mar 30 2005, 22:36

Blank page...did view source and i got..

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<html>

<head>
<title>Digital Nightmares</title>
</head>
<body>
<frameset cols="145, *" frameborder="0" noresize scrolling="no">
<frame src="sidebar.html" noresize scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0">
<frameset rows="123, *" frameborder="0" noresize>
<frame src="banner.html" noresize scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0">
<frame src="news.html" name="main" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="20">

</frameset>
</frameset>
</frameset>
</body>
</html>

ljames28

Mar 30 2005, 22:38

Everything else works sperately, its just something up with the frames.

silver-dagger

Mar 30 2005, 22:40

frames do not require a body tag. Delete the <body> and </body> tags and it should work.

planetik

Mar 30 2005, 22:40

QUOTE(ljames28 @ Mar 30 2005, 22:36)

Blank page...did view source and i got..

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<html>

<head>
*CODE*
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same... winxp w/ firefox

chavo

Mar 30 2005, 22:41

I get a blank page in Konqueror also.

roadwarrior

Mar 30 2005, 22:41

Yep, looks fine in Safari, nothing but a blank screen in IE on XP. Probably an IE bug? Have you tried the W3C validator on it?

edit: Weird, I can't even save it in IE! But, FWIW, it DOES work in IE on OS X!!!

roadwarrior

Mar 30 2005, 22:43

QUOTE(silver-dagger @ Mar 30 2005, 17:40)

frames do not require a body tag. Delete the <body> and </body> tags and it should work.
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Maybe in IE, but the way I learned it, valid HTML requires it.

silver-dagger

Mar 30 2005, 22:45

I have been coding for 8 years and I have not used a body tag for frames and they work in IE, NS, FF, ect.

Josh

Mar 30 2005, 22:47

AAAHHH frames!!! omfg *puke*

Do us ALL a favor, and yourself a HUGE one, and stop using frames. Frames are an easy way to mess up a website. Just google it... you'll have all the top 10 reasons quickly.

JK1150

Mar 30 2005, 22:48

yes, it's ur frames that are messed up.

DMilner

Mar 30 2005, 22:49

Try this...

CODE

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Digital Nightmares</title>
</head>
<frameset cols="145, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no">
<frame src="sidebar.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frameset rows="123, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize">
<frame src="banner.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frame src="news.html" name="main" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="20" />
</frameset>
</frameset>
</html>

mrelusive978

Mar 30 2005, 23:44

QUOTE(silver-dagger @ Mar 30 2005, 16:40)

frames do not require a body tag. Delete the <body> and </body> tags and it should work.
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QUOTE(silver-dagger @ Mar 30 2005, 16:45)

I have been coding for 8 years and I have not used a body tag for frames and they work in IE, NS, FF, ect.
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I have ALWAYS used the <body> tag; as i learned it (circa 1996-97) you beeded one. Is this a convention M$ destroyed at some point?

QUOTE(MyServerGuy @ Mar 30 2005, 16:47)

AAAHHH frames!!! omfg *puke*

Do us ALL a favor, and yourself a HUGE one, and stop using frames. Frames are an easy way to mess up a website. Just google it... you'll have all the top 10 reasons quickly.
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Bite me. I don't care to learn CSS or Flash, and this allows me to maintain a menu along the side of the screen while content will scroll. BTW, your post was neither informative NOR useful to solving my problem.

QUOTE(JK1150 @ Mar 30 2005, 16:48)

yes, it's ur frames that are messed up.
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QUOTE(DMilner @ Mar 30 2005, 16:49)

Try this...

CODE

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Digital Nightmares</title>
</head>
<frameset cols="145, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no">
<frame src="sidebar.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frameset rows="123, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize">
<frame src="banner.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frame src="news.html" name="main" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="20" />
</frameset>
</frameset>
</html>

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Thank you so much for your help and to all the others that pointed out the <Body> tag for me; suppose I need to buy a newer HTML book since all my HTML is memorized from, like i said, eight years ago...i THINK it was HTML 4....

mrelusive978

Mar 30 2005, 23:46

QUOTE(silver-dagger @ Mar 30 2005, 16:40)

frames do not require a body tag. Delete the <body> and </body> tags and it should work.
[right][snapback]585699563[/snapback][/right]

QUOTE(silver-dagger @ Mar 30 2005, 16:45)

I have been coding for 8 years and I have not used a body tag for frames and they work in IE, NS, FF, ect.
[right][snapback]585699606[/snapback][/right]

I have ALWAYS used the <body> tag; as i learned it (circa 1996-97) you needed one. Is this a convention M$ destroyed at some point?

QUOTE(MyServerGuy @ Mar 30 2005, 16:47)

AAAHHH frames!!! omfg *puke*

Do us ALL a favor, and yourself a HUGE one, and stop using frames. Frames are an easy way to mess up a website. Just google it... you'll have all the top 10 reasons quickly.
[right][snapback]585699618[/snapback][/right]

Bite me. I don't care to learn CSS or Flash, and this allows me to maintain a menu along the side of the screen while content will scroll. BTW, your post was neither informative NOR useful to solving my problem.

QUOTE(JK1150 @ Mar 30 2005, 16:48)

yes, it's ur frames that are messed up.
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QUOTE(DMilner @ Mar 30 2005, 16:49)

Try this...

CODE

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Digital Nightmares</title>
</head>
<frameset cols="145, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no">
<frame src="sidebar.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frameset rows="123, *" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize">
<frame src="banner.html" noresize="noresize" scrolling="no" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" />
<frame src="news.html" name="main" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="20" />
</frameset>
</frameset>
</html>

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Thank you so much for your help and to all the others that pointed out the <Body> tag for me; suppose I need to buy a newer HTML book since all my HTML is memorized from, like i said, eight years ago...i THINK it was HTML 3.x....

Yvo

Mar 31 2005, 01:58

QUOTE(mrelusive978 @ Mar 30 2005, 16:46)

Bite me. I don't care to learn CSS or Flash, and this allows me to maintain a menu along the side of the screen while content will scroll. BTW, your post was neither informative NOR useful to solving my problem.

While the previous poster was rude at pointing out, frames are a very easy way of messing up your site.

You may not like learning CSS or any of that which is a valid argument however tables do a great job as well. Plus you would have never had the issue to begin with as with tables you do use a body tag.

There are alternatives to frames and (un)fortunately those alternatives are pretty much better then then say other topics...(amd vs intel, pc vs mac, etc. etc.)

nuggetman

Mar 31 2005, 05:11

your nav menu also obviously will not work below 1024x768, since in safari the very bottom pixels are cut off... that's also a Bad Thing ™

insanekiwi

Mar 31 2005, 05:15

the apple button is only half visible, means cut off. rest works fine.

nuggetman

Mar 31 2005, 14:30

in safari at 1024x768 the bottom of email is cut off