I dont really like dashboard on tiger and want to get rid of it. Could somebody who still has access to a 10.3.9 partition please post their dock.app (from /System/Library/CoreServices)? I want to try replacing the tiger dock with it.

At your own risk

Radish™

Thanks, I will tell you what happens.

Well, it loaded fine, but crashed everytime I moved the mouse over it.

I'm assuming that you can't remove Dashboard as it is a core service, you can however remove the icon from the dock.

Radish™

Yeah, why not just remove the dock icon, and also any hotcorners. No biggy.

Its called DashboardClient.app, which resides in the resources folder of Dock.app. I just removed that file to prevent dashboard from loading.

I removed the the Dashboard.app file from the dock as soon as tiger loaded for the first time.

Wouldn't it have been just as easy to simply turn off the hot keys for Dashboard in System Preferences? As soon as the next update (10.4.1) comes out, it will probably replace your Dock.app file again, and you'll have to remove the DashboardClient.app again. If you don't have any widgets loaded in Dashboard, and turn off the hot key for it, then it is using next to nothing for resources. This method is much easier to reverse if you ever did want to start using Dashboard.

I am starting to think that Dashboard is not as great as I thought it would be

use this... makes dashboard much more useful. kind of buggy still though.
http://www.mesadynamics.com/amnesty.htm#

lol same here. I find the widgets way too big, and I hate the fact there's absolutely no way to stort them out a bit on the screen (lock them, grid them etc.).

i find it bizarre that apple didnt include a cpu/memory/network monitor in dashboard. the only one out there seems to be dashmonitors, which is to bulky.

that app has some nice potential.

I could have, but then I would know that it is still there. Most .apps are not replaced during updates, but just the modified files for the update are replaced. If DashboardClient.app is added again, I will just delete it. I also removed Everything related to Classic, some apps I dont use, and iTunesHelper.app which I still have no idea what it does, but things work better without it.

Dash monitors seems to use processor time whether or not the Dashboard is active. Seems a little against what the Dashboard is supposed to do.

Dougal.

They use a lot of ram, but I never noticed much CPU use.

I'm fairly certain that it will show up again soon, since there are going to be some fixes to Dashboard with the 10.4.1 update (I know this because the first seed of it showed up in my ADC account the other day).

I think thats from the app it loads. I'm sure a smaller widget will be out soon. I may start work on one myself, Dash Monitors is too bulky for my taste. Also i think its a demo app anyway.

If you don't like Dashboard why don't you simply don't use the thing. A lot easier than replacing System files and risk hosing your system.

lol I'm just glad the Preview bug is gone when selecting/unselecting stuff. I hope they'll fix the applications hide on login bug.

Haven't had the courage to install the whole 10.4.1 beta yet I only updated some apps like Mail and Preview manually.

@thefunkymunky
Now where's the fun in that? It's just an OS, you're not performing brain surgery on a real person who could die.

Maybe he's performing brain surgery on part of a business that could die if his system goes down.

Last time I checked, this thread was about someone who tried deleting Dashboard from his own Mac.

Its pretty hard to actually hose your system if you backup the files you try replacing. Unless you screw around with the kernel or some other vital files, you will always be able to get into single user mode and restore what you messed up. If that doesn't work, we have firewire disk mode.

Last I checked your comment was about how messing about with system files isn't likely to do anybody any harm which is a load of crap. He might not be doing brain surgery but he could be using his machine to make money - an easily avoidable screw-up caused by his own negligence can cost him his job or damage his company.



And where exactly does apple keep many of their vital system files? It's not in the system folder is it?



How much does all this screwing around take? 20 minutes? An hour? 3 hours?
How much is the data on the computer worth?
What are the costs of not being able to meet a deadline because he was trying to delete a system file?

His question was valid and his advice was sound. This thread isn't exclusively about you, it's also going to serve as a resource for other forum members and people that find this thread through Google.

that's kinda dumb how it's pretty much impossible to disable it, it's like windows and not being able to get rid of IE or Windows Media Player

I was commenting to someone who said you shouldn't mess with system files because it might do harm to your system.

This thread is about someone who tries to mod his own personal system. I wasn't saying at all that it won't do any harm when a whole corporation is involved, which is not the case here. So wtf are you talking about?

If it's your own personal system you like to mess with, who cares?

I would never try doing things like this on one of the servers I have setup, but on my personal computer it is well worth the risk to make things the way I like them and to speed things up, even if it is just a little. I do a pretty good job backing things up, and am much more likely to loose data due to hardware failure then screwing with system files.

I realize that this sort of modification is not for everybody, but I enjoy seeing what I can do with my system and I know that there are at least a few others on this board who feel the same way.



I dont want to try this now, but I am guessing that you can delete almost every file from /System/Library except for /System/Library/CoreServices/BootX and System and still boot into single user mode.

Because it's considered a feature and not an application. To Apple, it's on the same level as Exposé. Do you want to remove Exposé from your system? Would you ever have to? No, because it's a feature.

By the way, quitting every widget in Dashboard does just about the same thing as not letting Dashboard load at all. The Dashboard server uses barely any resources. It's the widgets that take up memory and, when loaded, CPU.

Which is exactly what I said earlier. Quit all the widgets, turn off the hot key for Dashboard in System Preferences, and you have effectively disabled it.

Agreed. Once Dashboard starts getting some organizing features (like Lock to Grid, as someone previously mentioned) and some better looking widgets, I'll be a lot more interested in it.

I actually LIKE the fact that widgets don't "lock to grid" because sometimes I want them exactly where I put them, not where some artificial grid tells me they can be (this is one thing that annoys the hell out of me about the desktop in OS X). As for "better looking widgets", have you looked at some of the new stuff available at Apple's site or the Dashboard Widget site?

They can easily make a preference of it. You can lock them to grid, or don't. Just like Finder icons.

And I'm really anything but impressed with the 3rd party widgets that are available on the Apple site right now, same goes for the Dashboarder. The only ones I like so far are those Mini game widgets from VanillaSoap.

Once again, I really really want the ability to somewhat organize the whole thing. It's just too messy for me right now.

It's a preference for the Finder, what makes you think Apple wouldn't do the same for Dashboard?

And yes, I have found plenty of widgets, none of them look very refined, clean, minimal, etc.

What I meant about the desktop is that you can't (easily) configure the size of the grid; I know you can turn it off. I would imagine this would be the same if they implemented it in Dashboard. Is it so hard to line the widgets up where you want them when you place them on the Dashboard?

Yes it is, very hard. I just want them to stick on one side of the screen or something. Just some way to organize it properly (3rd time), like the Dock, Finder icon location options, scalability etc. Make them behave more like icons when it comes to that.

That might be difficult or impossible given the freeform nature of Widgets. They can be an size or shape. Even though it doesn't seem like it, icons are all square, so it's easier to force them to certain locations. Personally, I wish that you could selectively size individual icons on the desktop instead of all of them being the same size.

Dragging the dashboard icon off of the dock seemed to remove it from the dock for good.

I like dashboard, and I'm probably the only one who likes the fact that it is in a "separate screen." If all those widgets were on my desktop, it would be too clutter.

My only real complaint about dashboard so far is: there is no spell checking options on notes or when you are looking up a word in the dictionary/thesaurus. And the dictionary doesn't pick up misspelled words very well either.

Apple should have provided a way to turn Dashboard off, IMO. If people want to conserve resources let them. For some reason that seems counter-intuitive for Apple.

"Ok gang, in this next release, lets see if we can make 512MB of ram completely obsolete!"
-Steve Jobs

Well it shouldn't be too difficult to make widgets scalable.

If you remove all the widgets from your Dashboard and turn off the hot key for Dashboard it uses no more resources than the Dock(which it is part of) would anyway.