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DreAming in DigITal

Oct 24 2005, 19:03

Texas surprise No. 1 in new BCS standings

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October 24, 2005
MORRISTOWN, New Jersey (Ticker) - Southern California's 27-point road victory over Washington on Saturday apparently did not mean much to the computers.

In a huge surprise, Texas leapfrogged USC to take the top spot in the new Bowl Championship Series standings released Monday.

Last week, the Trojans held the top spot with a BCS average of .9923, but they slipped to .9756 even after routing the Huskies on the road, 51-24.

The Longhorns, who had been at .9591, moved up to .9763 to claim the top spot after routing Texas Tech at home, 42-17.

USC remained a comfortable No. 1 in both the Harris Interactive and USA Today polls, two of the BCS standings' three components, but had a computer average of just .940 compared to Texas' 1.00.

The .0007 margin between the teams is the slimmest difference between the top two teams in BCS standings history. The last time a team dropped from the top spot without losing was on November 16, 2002, when Miami overtook Ohio State.

Fellow unbeatens Virginia Tech (.9164), Georgia (.8679), Alabama (.8513) and UCLA (.8513) comprise the second through sixth slots. Miami (.7114), Louisiana State (.7065), Penn State (.6450) and Florida State (.5735) complete the top 10.

The standings are computed by averaging the percent totals of the two polls plus computer rankings derived from six sources. The two polls and the compilation of computer rankings each count 1/3 toward a team's score.

To be eligible for one of the four BCS bowl games, a team must have nine victories and finish in the top 12 in the final BCS standings.

The BCS national championship game will be held January 4, 2006 at the Rose Bowl.

vip

Oct 24 2005, 19:24

just got home from work and read this, i think its great!! USC isnt the team they were last year ... they dont play as unified as they did. Oh well, unless someone loses, Alabama doesnt have a shot this year

Roll Tide!

costanza007

Oct 24 2005, 19:27

I wish VT and Texas would play in the Rose Bowl. I also wish they would bring back strength of schedule and quality wins for the BCS... it makes so much more sense that the current USC setup.

DreAming in DigITal

Oct 24 2005, 19:40

/\ You are a gentleman and a scholar

That would be a great matchup...I also think strength and quality of wins is really important to get the best matchups. I hope if VT wins the rest of their games that they will leapfrog USC for a title shot.

betasp

Oct 24 2005, 19:44

I think the is GREAT! I hate the BCS and everything it stands for. I hope USC gets shutout and VT and Texas play in the "national championship." The more schools that schools get shafted, the closer we get to playoff.

djsaad1

Oct 24 2005, 19:50

I have no doubt that Texas will lose at least one game this year. Its a texas tradition, win the big ones get cocky and lose a stupid one.

vip

Oct 24 2005, 19:43

I agree, we need a playoff system, these polls suck ****:/

Nexus

Oct 24 2005, 19:57

I'm glad to see USC drop They've been sliding by to many times this year. Texas on the other hand has obliterated everyone they've played. VT has been winning but they have yet to play anyone worthwhile, which is their upcoming games, BC, Miami FL, Virginia, NC. If VT not just wins these but dominates then fine.

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Edge00

Oct 24 2005, 19:58

QUOTE(Nexus @ Oct 24 2005, 15:57)

VT has been winning but they have yet to play anyone worthwhile, which is their upcoming games, BC, Miami FL, Virginia, NC.
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No one worthwhile? How about WVU? According to the pic you posted neither UVA or UNC are ranked in the BCS, but WVU is ranked #17. Don't get me wrong I hate VT (I go to WVU) but when you say they haven't played anyone worthwhile then you are busting on my school. Besides I would also consider Georgia Tech and NC State to be quality wins. Especially more than UNC.

Nexus

Oct 24 2005, 20:36

QUOTE(Edge00 @ Oct 24 2005, 12:58)

No one worthwhile? How about WVU? According to the pic you posted neither UVA or UNC are ranked in the BCS, but WVU is ranked #17. Don't get me wrong I hate VT (I go to WVU) but when you say they haven't played anyone worthwhile then you are busting on my school. Besides I would also consider Georgia Tech and NC State to be quality wins. Especially more than UNC.
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Yeah, but if you have enough wins anyone can slip into the top 25. Quality teams stay in the top 25. WVU has its moments but lets look at their opponents and the outcomes.

WVU vs. Syracuse - squeeks by with a 15-7 win
WVU vs. Wofford (who the h*ll is this) - sloppy win 35-7 (should have been 70-10)
WVU vs. Maryland - 31-19 win, not a tough win.
WVU vs. East Carolina, once again, squueks by 20-15
WVU vs. VT, 31-17, now this was a good fight.
WVU vs. Rutgers - 27-14, come on WVU can do better at scoring than this.
WVU vs Louisville - 46-44 in OT, not bad, Louisville is not ranked but good team

Upcoming schedule: Connecticut, Cincinati, and Pitt. and South FL.
Not necessarily a tough schedule remaining.

costanza007

Oct 24 2005, 20:39

I hate to say this... but the actual test for VT starts in November; seems like it does every year, and the last time they looked like a decent team in cold weather was waaay back in '98. Don't get me wrong, I'll root for them, but I hold my judgement until the normal meltdown stages.

Of course I did say the same thing about Texas and OU and the longhorns finally got over it.

Ayepecks

Oct 24 2005, 21:34

If Virginia Tech and Texas play in the Rose Bowl and all three teams (with USC) goes undefeated, they need to make a new system. Right now it's already laughable -- just look at the human polls and see how many vote USC #1 compared to Texas.

Sad thing is, if they all win out by a large amount, VT and Texas will probably play because the only big team really left for USC is UCLA.

L3thal

Oct 24 2005, 21:49

The only solution to this is a playoff, period.

Ayepecks

Oct 24 2005, 21:54

QUOTE(L3thal @ Oct 24 2005, 21:49)

The only solution to this is a playoff, period.
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IMO, there should only be a playoff if there is more than two undefeated teams -- and, in this case, there likely will be.

Gfunk4life

Oct 24 2005, 22:06

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USC should stay #1 untill they get beat................
Fresno St. isnt in the Top 25, their only loss was to # 11 organ
TCU loss to SMU

(fresno st would have kick their ass).

VegaOne

Oct 24 2005, 22:40

We all know USC is #1 , USC has been unbeaten since last season this USC is going to be a Dynasty. And win it for the 3rd straight time Texas Longhorns havent played any good teams

USC BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides Texas and VT's schedule is pretty weak but still uSC is going to win it all enuff said

soLoredd

Oct 24 2005, 22:54

QUOTE(vip @ Oct 24 2005, 12:24)

just got home from work and read this, i think its great!! USC isnt the team they were last year ... they dont play as unified as they did. Oh well, unless someone loses, Alabama doesnt have a shot this year

Roll Tide!
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They're still undefeated, are they not? They've played and beat 3 ranked teams on the road (Oregon, Arizona State, Notre Dame), they have the Heisman Trophy winner (it's going to be either Leinart or Bush), not to mention they have a tougher schedule than Texas or Virginia Tech.

I don't see how USC can NOT be #1.

saotome6

Oct 24 2005, 22:51

QUOTE(soloredd @ Oct 24 2005, 15:54)

They're still undefeated, are they not? They've played and beat 3 ranked teams on the road (Oregon, Arizona State, Notre Dame), they have the Heisman Trophy winner (it's going to be either Leinart or Bush), not to mention they have a tougher schedule than Texas or Virginia Tech.

I don't see how USC can NOT be #1.
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I agree!

Nexus

Oct 24 2005, 23:04

QUOTE(Scorpio @ Oct 24 2005, 14:54)

IMO, there should only be a playoff if there is more than two undefeated teams -- and, in this case, there likely will be.
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I agree there should be a playoff. And the NCAA has talked about it in the past but have yet to implement anthing because the BCS scoring is a joke. It should have been eveident in the past of how many teams have had to share the BCS title.

Xeonic

Oct 24 2005, 23:59

QUOTE(djsaad1 @ Oct 24 2005, 19:50)

I have no doubt that Texas will lose at least one game this year. Its a texas tradition, win the big ones get cocky and lose a stupid one.
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As a resident of Austin, if Texas loses a game this year (Which isnt happening)...Off with Mack Brown's head! But if you look at UT schedule they have to play crappiest teams in the Big XII (I know...most of the Big XII is bad...but these are the worst of them all).

at Oklahoma State
at Baylor
Kansas
at Texas A&M

As a huge Texas fan, I can clearly see that the BCS is a pile. USC should be number 1 without a doubt, but people dont seem to be giving enough credit to Texas. People seem to be forgetting that we beat Ohio State in Columbus, and that we on average are beating the opposing teams by 35+ points. Overall, when the season comes to an end the standing will be exactly as they were during the preseason. USC are the champs until they are beat, so they should be number one. Texas will win out, remain at two, and VT will most likely be the next Auburn. Sorry DreAming in DigITal .

BroChaos

Oct 25 2005, 00:53

QUOTE(soloredd @ Oct 24 2005, 15:54)

They're still undefeated, are they not? They've played and beat 3 ranked teams on the road (Oregon, Arizona State, Notre Dame), they have the Heisman Trophy winner (it's going to be either Leinart or Bush), not to mention they have a tougher schedule than Texas or Virginia Tech.

I don't see how USC can NOT be #1.
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cuz they almost lose every game they play in? i think texas is the better team right now, everything else aside. USC's schedule is looking easier and easier after ucla, cal and arizona state keep playing more and more horrible. texas isn't much better, but until someone loses, things should stay where they are. and people will lose, trust me

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we do need a better system. if USC got a share of the title 2 years ago, then it's hypocrital for auburn to NOT get one last year. and when USC won their first, they had a loss.

DreAming in DigITal

Oct 25 2005, 01:32

QUOTE(costanza007 @ Oct 24 2005, 20:39)

I hate to say this... but the actual test for VT starts in November; seems like it does every year, and the last time they looked like a decent team in cold weather was waaay back in '98. Don't get me wrong, I'll root for them, but I hold my judgement until the normal meltdown stages.

Of course I did say the same thing about Texas and OU and the longhorns finally got over it.
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Ummm...did you forget that they CRUSHED Miami two years ago in freezing cold weather...Thats just one example off the top of my head...VT has never had ANY problems playing in the cold.

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Sad thing is, if they all win out by a large amount, VT and Texas will probably play because the only big team really left for USC is UCLA

Why is that a sad thing? If VT goes undefeated then they will have beaten 5 ranked teams (WVU, GT, Miami, BC, and Florida State <--ACC Championship Game).

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The only solution to this is a playoff, period.

I agree

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They're still undefeated, are they not? They've played and beat 3 ranked teams on the road (Oregon, Arizona State, Notre Dame), they have the Heisman Trophy winner (it's going to be either Leinart or Bush), not to mention they have a tougher schedule than Texas or Virginia Tech.

Like I said...if VT goes undefeated then they've beaten 5 ranked teams....So nobody should be outraged or anything over VT possibly having a title shot.

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Texas will win out, remain at two, and VT will most likely be the next Auburn. Sorry DreAming in DigITal .

I hate the thought of that

Ayepecks

Oct 25 2005, 01:53

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 25 2005, 00:53)

we do need a better system. if USC got a share of the title 2 years ago, then it's hypocrital for auburn to NOT get one last year. and when USC won their first, they had a loss.
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I hate how everyone only mentions Auburn getting screwed last year... Utah didn't exactly get screwed, but they should've had a shot at the title, too, no matter how bad people think their chances were.

Like I said: undefeateds need to play a playoff system or something for the real national champion.

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Why is that a sad thing? If VT goes undefeated then they will have beaten 5 ranked teams (WVU, GT, Miami, BC, and Florida State <--ACC Championship Game).

And both USC and Texas have beat a number of ranked teams, as well. Sorry, but VT seems to be the weakest of the three teams to me, hence why I think it would be sad. Obviously you're not pulling for VT or anything...

I don't like any of the three teams more than the others.

DreAming in DigITal

Oct 25 2005, 02:10

QUOTE(Scorpio @ Oct 25 2005, 01:53)

I hate how everyone only mentions Auburn getting screwed last year... Utah didn't exactly get screwed, but they should've had a shot at the title, too, no matter how bad people think their chances were.

Like I said: undefeateds need to play a playoff system or something for the real national champion.
And both USC and Texas have beat a number of ranked teams, as well. Sorry, but VT seems to be the weakest of the three teams to me, hence why I think it would be sad. Obviously you're not pulling for VT or anything...

I don't like any of the three teams more than the others.
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Obviously I'm biased...Did you think I was trying to hide it?

. Texas will finish up the season with 2 (count'em) wins over ranked teams...USC and VT will have 5. I still think that Texas is better than USC and deserves the top spot, but VT should be in the mix...

My whole point was that they deserve a shot as well as Texas or USC...they have probably the best defense in the nation and an explosive offense. They will match up well with ANY team.

Xeonic

Oct 25 2005, 02:30

QUOTE(DreAming in DigITal @ Oct 25 2005, 02:10)

Texas will finish up the season with 2 (count'em) wins over ranked teams
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Actually...it was 3.

at Ohio State (4)
Colorado (24)
Texas Tech (8)

L3thal

Oct 25 2005, 05:11

QUOTE(rap4life @ Oct 24 2005, 18:06)

other post
Fresno St. isnt in the Top 25, their only loss was to # 11 organ
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Organ?

VegaOne

Oct 25 2005, 05:38

He meant Orgasm lol

Ayepecks

Oct 25 2005, 12:05

QUOTE(DreAming in DigITal @ Oct 25 2005, 02:10)

Obviously I'm biased...Did you think I was trying to hide it?

. Texas will finish up the season with 2 (count'em) wins over ranked teams...USC and VT will have 5. I still think that Texas is better than USC and deserves the top spot, but VT should be in the mix...

My whole point was that they deserve a shot as well as Texas or USC...they have probably the best defense in the nation and an explosive offense. They will match up well with ANY team.
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they didn't deserve to be in the mix... I said if all the teams win out they still impress me least and I think Texas and USC deserve it more, personally, watching the games.

DreAming in DigITal

Oct 25 2005, 12:32

/\ I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth...I was just stating my whole point.

BroChaos

Oct 25 2005, 17:01

i say we wait to compare ranked teams played at the end of the season. ranked teams played during the season doesn't necessarily mean anything. thats why we shouldn't have polls until say week 3, and we shouldn't have preseason polls either.

cterry511

Oct 25 2005, 19:44

I am a usc fan and i think that texas does deserve the top spot. USC has pretty bad defence this year. thats the one aspect of there game that is suspect and should be the most looked at as far as standings. If you want to test a teams true stregnth look at there ability to stop a good team form scoring. USC has won all there games but by no means stopped that may teams only the arkansas and one other team. THe rest of there game have been struggles. From what i have seen with texas they do a good job at stopping there opponants.

Gfunk4life

Oct 25 2005, 21:10

as long as USC doesnt fall #3 (unless they lose)

soLoredd

Oct 25 2005, 22:20

QUOTE(cterry511 @ Oct 25 2005, 12:44)

I am a usc fan and i think that texas does deserve the top spot. USC has pretty bad defence this year. thats the one aspect of there game that is suspect and should be the most looked at as far as standings. If you want to test a teams true stregnth look at there ability to stop a good team form scoring. USC has won all there games but by no means stopped that may teams only the arkansas and one other team. THe rest of there game have been struggles. From what i have seen with texas they do a good job at stopping there opponants.
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@Haw 63-17
Ark 70-17
@Ore 45-13
@AriSt 38-28
Ariz 42-21
@ND 34-31
@Wash 51-24

I can't believe I'm defending USC, having grown up in a Notre Dame household. But those games were hardly struggles, other than Arizona State and Notre Dame. Like Bro said, let's wait until the end of the season to start the debate. But if USC wins out against #24 Cal, #22 Fresno State, and #8 UCLA, there should be no question that USC is the #1 team in the country. And the argument about a team's defense is irrelevant. Auburn had the best defense in the country last season and they got burned. By the end of the season, USC will have played and beat 6 ranked teams, compared to 3 for Texas and Virginia Tech.

In no way am I taking anything from Texas or VT, they've had great seasons, but when you are the 2-time defending national champion and you haven't lost, you deserve to stay #1. That's my opinion anyway.

Gfunk4life

Oct 25 2005, 23:59

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@Ore 45-13

being 11 means noting right?

bigbluepride35

Oct 26 2005, 00:22

As much as I'd love to see a playoff (see here and here lol) it's not going to happen as long as these school presidents and ADs keep caring about the $$$ more than giving their student-athletes a truly fair shot at a national championship each year.

BroChaos

Oct 26 2005, 00:41

QUOTE(soloredd @ Oct 25 2005, 15:20)

@Haw 63-17
Ark 70-17
@Ore 45-13
@AriSt 38-28
Ariz 42-21
@ND 34-31
@Wash 51-24

I can't believe I'm defending USC, having grown up in a Notre Dame household. But those games were hardly struggles, other than Arizona State and Notre Dame. Like Bro said, let's wait until the end of the season to start the debate. But if USC wins out against #24 Cal, #22 Fresno State, and #8 UCLA, there should be no question that USC is the #1 team in the country. And the argument about a team's defense is irrelevant. Auburn had the best defense in the country last season and they got burned. By the end of the season, USC will have played and beat 6 ranked teams, compared to 3 for Texas and Virginia Tech.

In no way am I taking anything from Texas or VT, they've had great seasons, but when you are the 2-time defending national champion and you haven't lost, you deserve to stay #1. That's my opinion anyway.
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i would still leave out the ranking numbers for now. teams beat teams who are ranked high one week, and then by the end of the season are unranked. those shouldn't be counted as victories against ranked opponents.

also, being the defending champion shouldn't give you ANY advantage over another team this year. last year was last year, this year is different. if USC was the EXACT same team this year, then maybe it would mean something. but thats what i hate the most, how much the previous years affect the next year. it should have no effect.

VegaOne

Oct 27 2005, 08:41

QUOTE(cterry511 @ Oct 25 2005, 11:44)

I am a usc fan and i think that texas does deserve the top spot. USC has pretty bad defence this year. thats the one aspect of there game that is suspect and should be the most looked at as far as standings. If you want to test a teams true stregnth look at there ability to stop a good team form scoring. USC has won all there games but by no means stopped that may teams only the arkansas and one other team. THe rest of there game have been struggles. From what i have seen with texas they do a good job at stopping there opponants.
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HAHA lol who cares If they have won them by close scores they have won 28 in a row I believe , and texas has a weak schedule thats why they keep winning like that. Make texas go againts Notre Dame or Michigan and see the difference

L3thal

Oct 27 2005, 18:51

QUOTE(VegaOne @ Oct 27 2005, 04:41)

Make texas go againts Notre Dame or Michigan and see the difference

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Michigan? Texas would beat Michigan so bad, they would lose their recruitment class.

BroChaos

Oct 27 2005, 19:05

keep dreaming. texas barely beat michigan last year, and that was with vince running all over us.

L3thal

Oct 28 2005, 03:41

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 27 2005, 15:05)

keep dreaming. texas barely beat michigan last year, and that was with vince running all over us.
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But then again, that was Michigan of last year with Braylan Edwrads

djsaad1

Oct 30 2005, 01:04

QUOTE(djsaad1 @ Oct 24 2005, 13:50)

I have no doubt that Texas will lose at least one game this year. Its a texas tradition, win the big ones get cocky and lose a stupid one.
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Texas is down 28-12 at the half, watch out texas tradition might just happen again.

djsaad1

Oct 30 2005, 01:51

well either way at least we know this, USC will be number one on monday

soLoredd

Oct 30 2005, 01:50

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 25 2005, 17:41)

i would still leave out the ranking numbers for now. teams beat teams who are ranked high one week, and then by the end of the season are unranked. those shouldn't be counted as victories against ranked opponents.

also, being the defending champion shouldn't give you ANY advantage over another team this year. last year was last year, this year is different. if USC was the EXACT same team this year, then maybe it would mean something. but thats what i hate the most, how much the previous years affect the next year. it should have no effect.
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I think I agree with your post more than mine

Still, I think USC is the best team in the country.

j.nudd

Oct 30 2005, 02:03

QUOTE(djsaad1 @ Oct 29 2005, 20:04)

Texas is down 28-12 at the half, watch out texas tradition might just happen again.
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You're right, Texas tradition will happen again... they're going to come back from a large deficit against OK State (Just like last year, down 35-14 at half). They're up by 6 now, and they're not looking back.

QUOTE(soloredd @ Oct 29 2005, 20:50)

I think I agree with your post more than mine

Still, I think USC is the best team in the country.
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Yeah, USC is the best team in the country [i]right now[i]. The BCS rankings are irrelavant now, and frankly always (No need to discuss the BCS... another thread, another time perhaps

). You can't argue with 30 games of winning, no matter who the opponent is. When a team loses, there are many more factors involved than a team's skill. For any team to keep winning for such a long time is quite amazing, and shows good skill.

L3thal

Oct 30 2005, 03:15

So much for them being down. What it did show was a Texas team who was not ready for Oklahoma St. and almost got upset.

Ayepecks

Oct 30 2005, 03:32

QUOTE(L3thal @ Oct 30 2005, 03:15)

So much for them being down. What it did show was a Texas team who was not ready for Oklahoma St. and almost got upset.
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IMO, it showed a Texas team being lazy and then coming back bigtime. It's amazing how USC can do the exact same thing and get mad props for that... please. I'm not a Texas fan, but they played like crap the first half, then showed why they're supposed to go to the title game.

j.nudd

Oct 30 2005, 03:47

QUOTE(Scorpio @ Oct 29 2005, 22:32)

IMO, it showed a Texas team being lazy and then coming back bigtime. It's amazing how USC can do the exact same thing and get mad props for that... please. I'm not a Texas fan, but they played like crap the first half, then showed why they're supposed to go to the title game.
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I almost agree entirely with your post except for the fact that USC doesn't give up that many points on purpose... their defense really isn't that great. They just get it done with the offense against any team that challenges them.

BroChaos

Oct 30 2005, 17:27

damn those teams who get me all excited in the first half and then completely fall apart in the second.

north carolina shoulda upset miami, maryland shoulda upset fla. st., ok state shoulda beat texas, and standford shoulda beat ucla.

j.nudd

Oct 30 2005, 17:43

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 30 2005, 12:27)

north carolina shoulda upset miami
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Nah, NC was only up by 9 at half.

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 30 2005, 12:27)

maryland shoulda upset fla. st.
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If Maryland's offense hadn't died in the second half, they would have.

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 30 2005, 12:27)

ok state shoulda beat texas
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No, OK State always goes up on Texas early.

QUOTE(BroChaos @ Oct 30 2005, 12:27)

standford shoulda beat ucla.
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Absolutely. Stanford just crumbled in the 4th quarter.

VegaOne

Oct 31 2005, 07:11

USC!!!!!!!!!!!! and yea put Michigan or ND to play texas and see wuts up