Since the 2405 is roughly $600 more than the 2005 in retail, I'm guessing the 3007 will be approximately $1800. If they later offer 25% off coupons like they did with the 2405, this could be bought for about 1350, almost half the cost of the Apple screen.

Once again, here is the list of totally confirmed desktop video cards that will work:

ATI Radeon X1800 CrossFire Edition
ATI Radeon X1800 XT
ATI Radeon X1800 XL
ATI Radeon X1600 XT
ATI Radeon X1600 Pro

That's it. The Radeon X1300 series has the option to support the DVI-D interface (which this monitor requires), but as far as I know, there is no shipping Radeon X1300 product that has implemented it yet.

NVIDIA just released ForceWare 82.12 today (12/22) on their nzone site.
The release notes specifically mention...

• Added support for the Dell 3007WFP panel

So, any Nvidia cards with DVI-D support should support this monitor now.

I know that my Quadro FX 2000 has one DVI-D port and my Quadro FX 4000 has dual DVI-D's, so I'll be stress testing the 4000 with my 2405 and a 3007 (when I can order it) - simultaneously.

Can I make the Quadro cry uncle?

Dell doesn't make a 23"er

uhh . .

82.12 Release Highlights:

* Adds support for GeForce 6800 GS AGP.

* Adds support for Dell 3007WFP panel.

* Mixed vendor support for NVIDIA SLI.
* TV-Out/HD-out support for NVIDIA SLI.
* Added support for VSync on Direct3D games when running NVIDIA SLI.
* Performance enhancements for dual-core CPUs.
* PureVideo high definition MPEG-2 de-interlacing support.
* Usability enhancements when connecting to an HDTV.
* Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c and OpenGL® 2.0 support
* For a full list of fixed and known issues please view the Release Notes.

ftp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/8...nxp_english.exe

ermmm, so in conclusion, those of us with non Quadro Nvidias... can we use the damn screen or not? Drivers dont transform DVI into DVI-D do they?

You need to check the stats for your particular card (via google, manufacturer's website, or your manual). Some manufacturers (like Asus) have supported DVD-D since the FX5200 days.

/me is sad. It doesn't have component inputs, etc like the 2405.

ya know - Im thinking a 30 " LCD is almost TOO big - for most desktops/PC gamers etc. If youre sitting approx 1.5 feet from this thing its like a relative movie screen where you have to move your head instead of moving your eyes....or am I just trying to talk myself out of buying one ??

Okay my, admittedly limited, understanding is that video cards have DVI-I connectors which are effectively DVI-D + DVI-A. So it really boils down to which cards support a dual-link connection to support this board, 2 would be nice but seriously 2x30"?!.

From nVidia FAQ:


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I think that pretty much throws you proclamations out of the window, no?

Here.



Here.



Here.



Same source.



Here.

Okay so that above all say the same thing. The DVI-I connector on video cards is capable of handling both DVI-D and DVI-A. As the Dell 30" uses DVI-D you would simply need to use a DVI-D cable which would fit perfectly fine on the card's DVI-I socket.



Almost 6000 posts right?!?

Sorry back to the original post I was dissecting.



PNY



eVGA



"Sinle [SIC]Dual-Link TMDS Connector
-For a dual link TMDS, which is in essence two TMDS links bonded together, can display at resolutions up to 2048 x 1536 - and is the connector of choice for users of extremely large digital flat panels.

eVGA 7800GTX PDF Spec Sheet

"1 Dual Link TMDS DVI Connector"

Needless to say repeated in the spec sheets on their entire 7800 range.

I thought it comes out on the 21st or something, so where is it?

dL

Rescheduled for Jan. 5

Continued from previous post for completions sake:

To back up the fact that DVI-D is simply a derivative of DVI-I do you know what the specifications for the 2405 say is required for DVI connection? Do you know which cable is supplied with the screen (in front of me now)?

No prizes for guessing correctly.

In addition to the above links (if not sufficient) I've set up a Google search for you where you can see multiple mentions of a single dual-link DVI connection being present on 7800 series cards.

Some example taken pretty much at random:



Here.



Here.



Here.

More: www.avault.com

www.guru3d.com


The Register



CNET 7800 GT Review



Trusted Reviews 7800 GTX






Truer words have rarely been spoken.

EDIT: Actually this thread is full of misinformation but worse than that posters that actually posted seemingly accurate information were shouted down as being ill-informed with no evidence to prove them wrong. Unbelievable, particularly coming from members that have high post counts. I think is says a lot about the calibre of some Neowin members when they do not research something before writing it down as gospel. Even with the above information I would say that until I have a Dell 3007 in front of me connected to my 7800 GT I would not say that 100% is would work or it wouldn't work. The evidence simply points to the likelyhood that it would work fine.

Thats not it, people have been using the Apple 30inch display for well over 12 months now and that requires a similar connection method. How would people have used them if the only range of cards that support it wasnt released until 2 months ago.

As people have said, support is based on the card manufacturer, many older cards will work but in those older lineups dual DVI wasnt a chipset specification, just some companies offered it.

I think a lot of people are getting confused here. DVI-I and DVI-D have nothing to do with wether it is dual link or not. DVI-I just means it can do analog/digital and DVI-D is digital-only.

Also when people talk about sites listing 2048x1536 for the maximum resolution etc. For starters that isnt the maximum resolution of the card's hardware, and that is calculated using the cards RAMDAC. on DVI-D you arent using the RAMDAC so those numbers become useless.

All you need to do is find out if its dual link or not (which may be difficult) to figure out if you can run this display at the full resolution/refresh rate.

Another thing I think people don't know is that even a single link can run this display at the full resolution just at a reduced refresh rate, such as 30 Hz instead of 60 Hz. Sure this isnt nice for gaming but it could be acceptable for desktop work. Unless, of course; the display doesnt accept a refresh that low, which would be gay.

I have a geforce go 7800 GTX; I know the desktop cards have a dual link connector however on my laptop it only has a DVI-D port. It definitely will take a dual link DVI cable but I don't know whether or not it has DUAL TMDS transmitters.

I am guessing you can't overclock the DVI like you can with the RAMDAC, an example is on an external CRT through the 15-pin DSUB I am pushing 420 MHz through the RAMDAC @ 2560x1920@64.4 Hz. This prooves that a lot of the specs on sites about max resolution/etc are worthless unless they think there are enough people around that would actually run at those settings. It definitely does not mean the card can't do it.

so, the max resolution stated on pages, is not the max of the card, its just the one people would use at maximum? I believe that so far there has been no need for such monstrous resolutions, meaning that those of us with 7800GTX can use this monitor then?

according to the nvidia site the geforce 7800 series have a dual link card dvi port and can run the 3007WFP/30 inch apple.

Also its usually very hard to find the DVI spec's of a card, almost always the max resolution/etc are the analog resolutions through the 15 pin VGA. DVI-D doesnt use the RAMDAC so those numbers have no connection with what resolution it can do through DVI-D.

as someone already posted nvidia FAQ says the geforce 7800 series are dual link:

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....li=&p_topview=1

Does anyone know a concrete date for the release of it?

yeah i think it's january 6

This is in reply to stlic's prior posts (no way was I gonna quote those suckas):

Wow. Wow. Wow. For only 40 posts, I already feel like I should bow down to you. Bravo for showing people what a real, honest to goodness I've done my research post is like. Just so you know, I'm clapping my hands right now for you (and my cat is starring at me like I'm crazy or something).

I'm still confused on one part though. So when a video cards says it has dual DVI-I connectors, what does this truely mean? A single single-link DVI and a single dual-link DVI? Because I assumed that unless it specifically says it has a dual-link DVI or a DVI-D port, it doesn't have it (oh, and sorry I mised PNY's website; I totally forgot about them).

And one last note. If this massive thread has taught me anything, it's that manufacturers need to really re-think how their label the outputs of the video cards they make. DVI-A, DVI-I, DVI-D; all practically meaningless now. They need to really just type it out on their websites the way it is: One Single-link Plus One Dual-Link, or Two Dual-Link, or whatever.

The 3007WFP User manual
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/3007WFP/

I only wish it had all the extra connections that 2405 has like composite, component and PIP. I don't know if there's any solution to that problem so I can have xbox360 and a tv sat receiver connected to this monitor

lol.... looking back it looks like I really was bored at the time...

Two DVI-I connectors means just that and is different from single or dual link DVI. Both single and dual link DVI use the DVI-I connector. DVI-D is a component of DVI-I, basically DVI-I = DVI-D + DVI-A. If a card has DVI-I it can handle both DVI-D AND DVI-A.

Agree with you on the last point; even though reviews and nVidia's own website cover the fact that 7800 GT and GTX cards have a single dual-link capable DVI-I (remember DVI-I can handle DVI-D) manufacturers don't make it very clear. I checked all the nVidia board companies and did not find the capability clearly stated in most. I guess this is simply because it is a feature that can be considered as having limited appeal and so manuacturers simply forget. As mentioned above by another poster manufacturers themselves regularly get maximum supported resolutions wrong. I remember when I was looking for a card capable of 1920x1200 I was given 1600x1200 as the theoretical DVI max when in reality most modern cards can handle the higher res without problems.

Also if you have a DVI LCD have a look at the connector that goes into your graphics card, is should be DVI-D and then look at your graphics card which will be DVI-I.

Thank you stlic for your posts.

3 more days till launch

I really hope they announce the 2007 and 2407 when the 3007 is released. I have been through two 2005fpw's and 4 204t's trying to find a good monitor. They always seem to have a dead pixel or a backlight so bad its scary. Everytime I get one with a dead or stuck pixel the backlight is perfect. Everytime I get one with a horrible backlight it has perfect pixels. I am tempted to go look at the 21" gateway, but I like how the 3007 looks so much that if the 2007 looks the same I would rather have it.

all of you can forget about playing games on that display

I guess you REALLY mean playing games at the native resolution of 2560x1600. Many older games will play just fine at that resolution, but the newer ones can be run at a lower resolution, which will be autoscaled by the display.

Don't forget that if you don't like the negative impact scaling has on LCD screens you could have a decent sized ~20" centered 1600x1200 display when gaming, with black borders all around. Pretty good for gaming and then you have the benfit of 30" for desktop use.

I think scaling 'problems' are a bit overstated on new panels. As long as you keep aspect ratio if you scale it isn't really a problem. So you could do like 1680x1050 and it'd look fine for gaming.

i think its hot.... its huge.... but its hot

I read this monitor only has DVI inputs....kind of a letdown to people who wanted more or to use it as a TV and such, or for Xbox. A step back from the 2405 anyway.

That was over at overclockersforum.com and dell's very own forums.

DVI = digital. you can run HDTV to this.

thats not necessarily true....my 23 inch sony has DVI yet i cant hook up my comcast HDTV receiver too it....

the receiver senses its not an HDTV (lack of a tv tuner or somet ****) and the image goes black after a few seconds to prevent damage to the monitor....

It is unfortunate that they didn't provide some access for multimedia devices other than the dvi. Seems a waste of such a large monitor that clearly could take advantage of such. If this was done to keep the price down, then maybe I could undrestand, depending on what price is posted tomorrow. I wonder if there is any sort of adapter thingy that you could use to convert svid, rca, cable, etc into the dvi input without having to go through a computer?

Lets hope the usb hub isn't the same as the 2005's of which is atrocious. I wonder how regular dvd videos will look. I'm sure that HDDVDs will look great, but drives will be uber expensive and movies well the same there's no way I'm buying the same movie in HDDVD.

Too much monitor for me. Seriously, unless you work with graphics programs like 3dmax and CAD or do some extreme spreedsheeting, I think this is just a waste of money.

not even talking about the Crossfire/SLI setup needed to enjoy games in REAL full-screen

The price is posted and the stats are up. HDCP compatable too. 2,200 bucks US.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/Product...uctlisting.aspx

$300.00 less then the apple. HDCP and lookout for coupons.

$2200! are they crazy? greedy bastards.
for $1500 I would think about it.

So you want it for the same price that you could get a 30" LCD TV? Who's the greedy ******?

I mean, still 2200 is a lot of money, the sepculation was about 1800$, but im sire coupons will come out very soon, and probably, youll get to 2000-1800$

sorry Dell...that price is not aggressive enough considering no one has even seen one of these live, let alone run it through its paces. Without the extra input options, I don't really think it is worth the premium price tag.

The 2405 is still the reigning champ. When it was on sale with coupons I got mine for $850...all in.

There's now an opportunity for any other vendor to step in and trump Dell here.

On the plus side, gamers will like the fact that it supports a native 1280x800 resolution mode.

What are you talking about?

So because no one has reviewed this unit yet they should just give it away?

How can the 2405 be the reigning champ when no one has even reviewed the 3007 yet? It was just released yesterday FCOL!!

An opportunity for another vendor to spend in? Are you high? Apple has had their 30" display for years now. Where have the other vendors been? Why, now that Dell has released a 30" display, can other vendors suddenly step in? Do you think they can just make these things out of thin air?

You're just bitter because others have been able to get the 2405fpw cheaper than you and you wish you had one of these displays.

Why are you taking this so personal? Do you work for Dell or did you just forget your meds today?

Answering your questions, in a much clearer way, so you'll understand my points:

The price performance of the 2405 beats the price performance of the 3007...period. That is what I meant by "reigning champ". I stand by that. If Dell wanted to agressively challenge the Apple 30", they should have released a more compelling product, or the product they have released at a more compelling price.

Where did I say "give it away?" Are you high?

And yes, you'll continue to see more 30" LCDs from more vendors, in quantity, etc. It is the way things are. You should know that without me pointing it out...now twice.

"Bitter comment" - What the heck are you babbling on about? Getting my 2405 for $780 (before tax & shipping) was a GREAT deal, and I have one, and love it. I was hoping, as many were, that Dell would price the 3007 agressively, proportional to the 24" which is currently at $1200 BEFORE coupons.

But not comparing them, it makes MUCH more sense to buy a second 2405 than it does to add a 3007 to my machine. I was hoping Dell would make the 3007 the same kind of "best value, gotta have it" buy the 2405 was - and still is.

So, next time, read what I am actually saying more closely. To think that my comment about the 2405 price was me being bitter somehow (when actually I was pointing out how pleased I was), shows you were just "right out".

you cant compare the cost and size of the 2405 with this monitor. Not only is the 2405 now old, with any hardware at the top end you pay ALOT more for a relatively small performance increase over the next tier. Take cpu's, buying one thats only like 400Mhz slower might in the end be 30% less expensive than the only slightly faster one. It's no use comparing the 24 inch screen to this and saying you can get two for the same price, it's completly different and a dual monitor setup will not function the same as a single 30 inch anyway due to the different area covered.

As for competitive pricing. In this market Dell SHOULDNT be pushing a low price. Theres no competition apart from apple (whos product is substantually more expensive btw) so Dell has no obligation to set a lower price. I doubt alot of people have seen 24" displays either.

I dont see the 30 inch being marketed at the same people that want a 24, and theres many people that would rather a single, more expensive display than 2 monitors where u have a seam between the displays. Each setup has its ups and downs.

Ohh and also theres the fact this monitor is new. Technology is always substantually more expensive when 1st released and it isnt helped by the fact only dell and apple have monitors of this stature. In comming months manufacturing cost will drop and competitors will get on the bandwagon and you MAY see a price drop. I say May as I still firmly dont believe this monitor was necessarily made for the average home consumer anyway in which case the people who buy this will likely be able to afford it. Just look at how much a pc that can run this costs.

I think it's a fair price. It's more competitive than apples display and like the 2405 is the cheapest in it's class on the market. Sure it's expensive, but so is the machine required to even operate this and it certainly isnt a monitor made for a casual user. People expected to much in terms of pricing here, especially at launch.

Apple's product is only 10% more expensive, so I would hardly call that substantial, since most Apple branded products are 25-30% premium priced over PC ones.

Oh, and while the Dell monitor may be new tech to them, Apple has had this for almost two years now I believe, so it isn't actually new tech to the marketplace. And that's all that matters, since no one cares about paying a premium price for a product that is #2 to market, ahem.

So, I think Dell should have come in at $1999 if they really wanted shake things up. I mean, if anyone wanted to pay $2,500 for this, they would have just bought the Apple 30".

IMHO, Dell should be trying to lure buyers who didn't want to spend nearly that much for a 30", not woo people who just didn't get around to buying one from Apple, hehe. That's just poor marketing/sales.

We ordered on of these panels on the 5th and received notification from Dell that it shipped on 1/7/05

We paid $2,000.00 plus taxes - free shipping

The video card we decided upon was the EVGA 7800GT PCIe 256MB

All being installed into a (2X) Intel Xeon 2.8GHz Dual Core Dell Precision 670 Workstation

Will be posting pics and a review upon receipt.

JLA

Look forward to it!