I would of probably have considered this display maybe a few months down the road but with no component input i think i'll just stay with the 24" untill they change it down with another revision or the next larger display hopefully comes with it.

I very much look forward to your review!

How did you get it for $2000 instead of $2200?

http://www.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_3007_W...30.html?tag=vid

check out Cnets review.. has video in action

So where's the review? All I can see is a short video showcase.

Oh seriously? Come on it's just a monitor, a $300 19" one is good enough, or just buy multiple and connect them!

I believe it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.

To be honest, there is a (based of using the Apple 30" Cinema display which is the same monitor as the Dell) HUGE DIFFERENCE from $300 19" monitor and the 30"

Sure if all you are doing is browsing the web and reading e-mail a 19" would be sufficient (I actually would not use less than a 21" at 1600X1200) - but even then with the 30" display it is a much more enjoyable experience.

When you step up to power usage of a machine for CAD, video production, graphics, and even extreme gaming, that is where the 30" will shine over any pair of 19" panels

well, spent the day with this 30" and my bfg 7800gtx card and nvidias 82.12 drivers...

though ive installed many 2405 and such sized monitors, this one is giving me problems, maybe its some dual-link problem here, ive even tried both ports in case just one certain one only supported dual-link, but both give me the same problem...

i can only do exactly 50% resolution for anything to come up on the screen, meaning 1280x800. anything above or below gives me a blank screen. nvidias 82.12 drivers are supposed to resolve things but im not getting anywhere and have tried a number of diagnostic programs and custom resolutions even; nothing works. so until i find someone else who has it going or nvidias comes up with another build, im here at 50%.

heres a clue to the problem -
in nvidias driver control panel, under DEVICE ADJUSTMENTS, the MONITOR SCALING option is greyed out for it, and
under SCREEN RESOLUTIONS & REFRESH RATES, the ADVANCED TIMING button is greyed out for all resolutions except 1280x800...

Stupid question but have you installed the monitor drivers?

yes, got them off the cd. then ill build my own icc file with a spyderpro2 once i get this going...i was expecting a roadbump anyway since moving to duallink is a rather new experience in the pc world....but at 1280x800, after 25 years of computers, my eyes are having such an easier time, sitting 5 feet from the screen....

I may sound stupid, but isn't this just a bit TV?.. why is it a monitor?.. or can it be used as both?

To me, its not practical for a computer monitor.. of course its nice, but being so close to it wouldn't feel right to me. Unless of course you're suposed to sit far away from it like your in the living room, but what about your desk ?.. lol, someone point me in the right direction here.

All of the problems you describe are Dual-Link related. Either the card does not have that capability (doubtful) or the drivers don't initialize it properly (most likely).

If your card has two different DVI connectors, check to see if one is dual-link and one is not. Otherwise, let's hope it is just a driver issue.

Will I be able to use it on my Mac Mini which has Radeon 9200 I believe?

just got a quote from Dell UK

£1,292 Inc VAT & Del

Pretty sweet price Mike. Any chance you can hook up some neowinners this time also? Might just upgrade.

of course i can sort you guys out

just sorting details out now, i have 2 options, buy them myself and the resell, or i am trying to make it possible that you can buy direct from dell

Apparently 82.12 does not support 3007 despite what was said in the release notes... . Install 81.98 or 81.94 betas. link



Sounds good. Still thankful for the couple of 2405s you hooked me up with back when, now that was an awesome deal.

if we got some kinda group buy i might be able to get a bit cheaper

Hey have you checked out the site recently. It's now £1,471.10 I swear it was £16xx when first posted?

Price: £1,095.95 (£1,287.74 Including VAT at 17.5%)

on overclockers.co.uk

The price is getting better. I would think <a grand would be the sweet spot for me personally.



Really?!?! 4 years?

EDIT: £1,174.94 inc. at aria.co.uk. Although can't see a mention of warranty.

Hey Mike you had any movement on the price at your end?

Looks like the aria price might have been a one off. It was down to £1050 for one day which seems pretty special, no idea about guarantee though.

A friend of mine has placed an order with overclockers but on preorder so he's got time to cancel if need be.

1286.63

is the lowest so far

Here's a link to a listing and price and write up on it.

DELL UltraSharp 3007WFP 30-inch Wide-Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor

hth

New to the forum- hello everyone. Here's my little write-up...

As some of you may know the new Dell 30" runs at a resolution of 2560x1600 which exceedes the DVI bandwidth limit of 1920x1200. In order to display this resolution digitally (via DVI) you need a graphics card that supports DVI Dual-Link. Most of the early cards that supported Dual-Link were the very expensive Quatra and FireGL cards costing upwards in way of $700-900. After much research and some help from GL I was able to find an affordable card that didn't 1) Require a 500watt power supply to run and...2) Didn't break the bank.

I settled on the E-VGA Nvidia G-Force 6600GT which retails for $150 at NewEgg.com. It only requires a 350watt powersupply and has Dual-DVI support. After I swapped out the VAIO's ATi X300 for the new 6600GT I was able to view the Dell 30" for the first time in all of it's 2560x1600 native resolution glory. Here's my impression.....

When it first booted to my desktop I was in awe. The normal 2 rows of icons fit neatly into one row vertically and the amount of screen real-estate is astounding. After loading up my browser I was greeted by my google.com homepage that looked equally as bizzare. Tiny google logo swimming in a SEA of white. Webpages are so diminutive in size, most of the time the entire page fits on the top half of the monitor. I might have to utlize having multiple browser windows open sharing all the 4 million pixels of space. Having a single browswer window open is so much over kill. A normal VU post that spans 5-6 lines of texts fits neatly across the screen in a single line or two. For those who don't think the 30" is much bigger than the 24"....after doing the math you realize the 30" is actually 77% larger in screen area!

The image is bright and crisp though having it on at the same time side-by-side with my 24 I do notice that the 24 is considerably brighter. Granted I can turn the 30" brightness all the way up and be very close to the 24" brightness however the 24" it turned DOWN from hit's highest brightness about 1/3. The natural color temp seems a bit warm to me but it might be closer to print standard- I tend to calibrate my computer monitors to cooler (9000k) temp. Problem is on the 30 you can't adjust color- the ONLY buttons it has are to adjust the brightness up and down. All color temp tweaking has to be done through the video card which forces the video LUT to perform the changes which is notably less accurate than making the changes inside the monitor. I'm not too entirely worried about it beings I don't use a spectrometer on this monitor and I don't do color critical (print) work. All my "color critical" work is resolved via my production monitor for video.

Grey Scale ramping seems pretty smooth, as good as the 24" I suppose however I found in Displaymate the darkness really ramps off after 16% black. Where as the 24" seemed to ramp to pure black a bit later. This can be adjusted with the video card color settings and gamma but I wasn't able to achieve a perfect result in the few minutes I spent with it.

Overall I still feel the 24" is a better monitor offering more connections (rgb, composite, component), various PiP modes, and in monitor color adjustments. It's sort of the Swiss Arm Knife of computer monitors. The 30" doesn't do anything particularly stellar, the brightness is a bit lower, no connections other than the SINGLE dual-dvi port and usb for the 5in1 media reader built in, and no in monitor color tweaking other than brightness. The one thing it does offer is size, resolution , and clarity.

I considered trading it in for another 24" however after I loaded Vegas I was swayed to keep it. I'm able to have the Explorer, Trimmer, Video Preivew Window, Audio Levels, and Histogram all visible and fit neatly across the screen horizontally. Vertically I can list about a dozen video tracks at their default height! No more resizeing and/or scrolling vertically to see all my tracks. THIS is where the monitor shines. You can never have enough real-estate when working in your NLE. The Dell 30" surely doesn't skimp on this area.

I look forward to reviews conducted by professionals who can test the monitors ACTUAL brightness and color accuracy. Until then if your considering getting the 30":
1) Make sure you have a monitor that is capable of Dual-DVI connectivity,able to resolve a digital resolution of 2560x1600
2) Are ok with having less on camera color controls
3) Have the desktop space to accomadate this beast!

nice. Have you considered creating a new topic in the review section. BTW welcome to neowin.

To big really i think for gaming and for a computer, nice if you watch movies and use it as a media center, etc.. but otherwise i wouldnt like it, 20.1" is big enough for me

dave164

Agreed. Once you hit about 20.1" you have to start looking around the screen with your eyes. My 20.1 is perfect for me, though 30" would be useful for my photography I wouldnt be using it often enough.

^lol double post? i was wondering if i was getting drunk with coffee

Personally I disagree. 20.1 is hardly larger than a 19inch LCD, infact in terms of total area it is probably smaller due to the decreased height.

I'm going for a 24inch model, but there certainly is a market for 30inch (and larger) displays. THink media PC's, think designers and thats a more realistic market for this monitor. SOme gamers will go for it too. Some will say youd need to turn to see everything, well consider that many developers and cad programmers use multiple monitors, up to 3 (sometimes more) in a line then thats obviously not a concern. Likewise alot of gamers have similar setups and in an FPS the larger screen realestate just mens you fit more on, so your only turning if you need to, but even looking at the centre of the screen and perhaps missing the outside you still get more details than other gamers. It's also more realistic and brings in a whole notion of perephial veision into PC shooters.

The whole point about having to "turn" your head to see the entire screen shouldn't be an issue unless your sitting with it several inches away from your nose. If you have a good viewing distance the monitor will fill a good amount of your vision and not be a strain.

That said I'm still struggling with a few aspects of the new 30". For one all my WMV/MPGS in WMP look shakey like they are experioencing interference. I know it's not interfrenence becaue nothing else on the screen exibits this disturbance. I had to go into WMP properties and change some settings under "Performance" disabling "use overlays", and "Use high quality mode". That seemed to do the trick. The brightness and white point are frusterating. At full brightness it's still dimmer than the 24" about 3/5 the way maxed out. Plus regardless of how much tweaking of the white point (via Adobe Gamma) I can't seem to get rid of the warm cast in the whites. Even if I choose a cool blue 9300k white point the white still appear too warm for my taste. Problem is the 30" offers no in monitor calibrations so your stuck using software like Adobe Gamma, the graphics card's drivers, or my personal last resort a hardware/software combo calibrator.

If my LaCie blue eye fails to cool the whites off a bit I may exchange the 30" back in for another 24" and call it a day. Though I'll miss the vertical space the 30" awards me.



Thank you. Is there a rule against re-posts/double posts? If not I'll go ahead and re-post it in a more appropriate forum.

While a 20.1" is hardly any larger than a 19" in actual size, its the resolution that makes the difference: 19" are 1280x1024, while 20.1" are 1600x1200. As for the 30" monitors...I'd have to use one to tell, but I reckon the Internet is just way too damn tin for such a monitor. I do a lot of surfing, and I'm pretty sure most webpages would fit like in a little corner of the monitor

heh and I thought having a 19" LCD was big enough...

Yeah web-browsing it a little ridiculous. You should see google. It's the tiny little "google" logo swimming in a SEA of white! I have to make my web-browser screens 1/2 or 1/4 size. Though I can view 1-4 webpages simultaneously.

Well, this monitor is everything and more

Running it on a Precision 670 (2X Dual Xeon 2.8 GHz Dual Core Processors, Dell PERC SCSI Raid Controller, 2X 146GB 15K U320 Drives w/RAID 0, 4GB RAM, XP Pro) and an EVGA 256MB 7800GT Video Card.

Everything works perfectly together and it is amazing.

Have the brightness turned all the way down and it is much better on the eyes.

This display is far superior to that of the Apple 30in Cinema Display.

Good Job Dell

yes, but it wasnt made for web browsing and I doubt many people that bought it got it for that purpose at all.

and while what you say about the resolution is true, there are alot of people that require more than 1600x1200. My friend has a 20 inch dell and 2x 19 inch monitors in his setup and there will be people out there that requre even more.

Note that you can change the font sizes by default when web browsing on such monitors in the Internet Explorer/internet tools/accessibility settings. "Ignore fonts sizes specified in web pages" is particularly useful.

Hey guys. Just ran across this thread in Google while researching this monitor.

I ordered one of these bad boys earlier today. I should be getting it up on Monday. Anyone else here get one yet? It's damm expensive, but there are a few good deals kicking around out there for us early-adopters.

Can't wait to get this thing hooked up and cookin'!

GMElliott, just wondering what evga 6600GT you're using to drive the 30" lcd. On newegg, there are 5 evga 6600gt models. I'd prefer the pci express 2 dvi port 128MB card, so I can drive two digital lcds.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DE

Thanks,
Allan

They sold me mine for $1999.99 USD and I didn't even ask for the $200 discount. Very nice of them.



Allan- it's the PCI-E 6600gt with two dvi ports (128meg) I forget the model # off the top of my head but I linked you directly to it via PM.

Not bad, but I got mine through a Dell reseller (with the 3 year warranty) for $1849 with shipping. No tax either.

It's ok my STi will smoke your Mustang...not that we are comparing or anything.

Btw, that is indeed a good deal!

they need to start making bigger lcd with lower resolution. everything is so small. i hate having to put my face so close to the screen sometimes when i have to read small texts. it really hurts.

lcd tv doesn't really make great computer screen because it's very complicated to set it up and you can never get the settings to be exact. worst, most lcd tv don't even have dvi input. you're forced to use vga, which really blows.

Just turn your text and icon setting up to the larger size in display properties.

That is what it is for

This display is absolutely the best... PERFECT!

I also bought the 3007WFP, for $1600 off ebay.

Unfortionately I cant run it at 2560x1600, linux and windows agree my laptop is dual link, and it seems to be a video bios issue, someone with a near identical motherboard (inspiron 9300 vs my xps gen 2) and a geforce go 6800 non-ultra is able to run 2560x1600 on his 30 inch apple, and I am stuck at 1280x800 with my gaming notebook(the higher end model) with the geforce go 7800 gtx, oh well.

here are some pictures showing windows detects as dual link:
http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/device_adjustments.png
it would list 1280x800 as the maximum resolution if it was single link(I have tested this on another system with a nvidia single link card)

Linux xorg.log shows:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce Go 7800 GTX at PCI:1:0:0
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.70.02.19.12
(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
(--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce Go 7800 GTX at
(--) NVIDIA(0): PCI:1:0:0:
(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1)
(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock
(--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link LVDS
(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): 310 MHz maximum pixel clock
(--) NVIDIA(0): Dell 3007WFP (DFP-1): Internal Dual Link TMDS
(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Devices: DFP-0, DFP-1


linux nvidia-settnigs utility shows:
http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/nvidia-settings2.png

however in the BIOS/boot loader/boot cd's, anything other than linux/windows where I can force 1280x800 output, I get lines:
http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006414.JPG

Doesnt this suck? I am stuck at resolution like this:
http://www.houkouonchi.net/3007wfp/IM006424.JPG

When the whole reason I upgraded to this monitor was for resolution, I upgraded from running 2560x1920 on a 22 inch CRT to this, this sure sucks, I talked to a dell manager and wrote up a big thing about the issues and why its not the LCD, or specific to my laptop which he said he could forward to an engineer, we shall see, it might be a crippled bios like I know some 7800 XFX cards were.

it does, really bad... damn man, that must really burn

Indeed... that is too bad.

can someone recommend a relatively cheap card that will support this? prefferably with 256MB or more... I wish dell had a complete list of supported cards

The graphics adapter in your portable does not have a dual-link output. Your windows screenshot correctly indicates the maximum supported resolution of the monitor obtained from the monitor EDID, not the maximum resolution that your graphics adapter supports. Your linux screenshot also displays info from the monitor EDID indicating that it has a dual-link dvi connection, not that your video card does.

Actually you were wrong, it was either a hardware or video bios issue, not sure right now, you can tell from this screenshot:



On a single link system it would list the maximum resolution as 1280x800 not 2560x1600, also that linux log, when it says internal dual link TMDS, that has nothing to do with the monitor or EDID at all, that is what is detectin the vid card has, I even get that when I have it hooked up to my 50 inch DLP which is totally single link, and on a single link comp it would say a single TMDS and only 165 MHz not 310MHz limit. Anyway Dell was no help and I ended up getting a new laptop out of the whole ordeal, a M1710, and it doesnt support the native resolution either, but atleast it detects as single link now, like it should, so atleast now I am not limited to only windows, and only 2 driver versions that work, other drivers all try to scale at the 2560x1600 because it detects the monitor can do it. I game on my laptop but every couple days I hook the 3007WFP back up to my desktop because I get really tired of the 1280x800 resolution, my dad will be getting an M90 soon and I wonder if that will run it or not.

Long story short, I kind of got screwed because from the log files, which is all I could go by except actually hooking up the laptop to the display, showed I had dual link. also the screen wouldnt even work in the bios on my old laptop (XPS gen 2). I posted a bunch on the nvidia forum here:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67791
but nothing really got resolved.

Dude, don't bump a thread this old.

I wouldn't bring up things like "You were wrong" after how long the topic has been inactive and everything has been settled. You don't want to start something.