ever since FF 1.2 the stability has gone downhill, i think the developers are trying to have too many features for its own good. dont u think

I'm not sure about that. I made a post earlier about FF stability seeming to get worse, but I discovered that some of it was probably due to extensions that didn't officially support FF 1.5.

I think that until you can give very specific examples, then it's unfair to make that claim.

yeh i think firefox has gone downhill aswell, since i've been using opera i've never looked back

then report bugs instead of posting here

to OP... or fix them yourself... you have the source..

Didn't know there was a Firefox 1.2. I haven't had any crashes since using 1.0.7.

, unfortunately.

i always have problems with quicktime alt/flash/java, it just occasionally crashes/doesnt recognize. and the memory problem. i cant live with it

In the same boat. Switched to Opera and I'm quite happy now.

I think that Mozilla's scrappy coding and lack of professional programmers is biting it in the butt.

Uh. Right. Where do people come up with these insane theories? Yeah, the Mozilla coders are amateurs, that's why a lot of them are employed by tiny/neverheard companies such as Google, IBM, Novel, SUN, etc.

*Looks at his opened Firefox browser and wonders, when have I ever had problems with this...* That could take a while! Since all the posts about FF and it's memory usage, people now start talking about its stability, unless you give me specific examples of your problems instead of just noding your heads, I don't think I see any reasons in stability downfall. FF works way better than IE and I have never had any problems with it, it works perfectly with no glitches what so ever.

I've had alot of problems recently too. Gone back to IE for alot of sites.

Best browser ever!

........even more so with version 1.5 .........will NEVER use IE again!

Working for two companies would I believe be a breach of contract assuming it was part of the conditions when they signed up. I remember people leaving Mozilla to work for Google not the other way round.

This thread was inevitable, sooner or later people will complain about firefox, it's not a perfect browser and people should realise that. I think people can't comprehend the fact that FF like any other browser has faults.

90% of the devs work for companies like Google, Novel, Sun, IBM and a bunch of other companies. Most of them are employed by those companies to specifically work on firefox code. Check out the google and IBM job listing I bet there are still a few position open to work on firefox.

EDIT: here is one for google, one for ibm

I think stability gone downhill and I don't have a single extention installed... So ha

So Opera is the only independent browser that isn't tied up with all kinds of huge corporation that just want to dominate the world?

IBM's corporation users only Firefox in the workplace so they have people there to work on firefox to help make it better...be it for the end users or themselves. It sounds confusing but its not....IBM uses firefox and finds a bug with some webapp, IBM software coder makes a patch for firefox.

Of course it isn't a perfect browser.

I don't have a problem with people complaining about valid bugs or design decisions, what I do have a problem with is people who make comments without bothering to do a simple search to see if their comments have any truth in them (like the first paragraph of your reply).



Well, considering that Opera is a stock traded company I would say that it's as tied up with wanting to dominate the world as one can get.

Edit: typos

Can't say i've had stability issues at all with Firefox. FF1.5 is their best release ever IMHO.

If you're trying to say that IBM employees only use firefox, that's incorrect. I am working at IBM right now, and we're not using firefox, we have the option to, but it's not like we have to.

ya i forgot it was encouraged

http://news.com.com/IBM+backs+Firefox+in-h..._3-5704750.html

I can honestly say that 90% of my computer time i based on the web. I use firefox, and have never had a problem other than some websites finding a way around popup blocking - but that's pretty much the same with all browsers anyway.

No problems with firefox. By the way, I've used Opera and IE for a long time as well, and always find myself coming back to Firefox. Opera displays like 50% of pages incorrectly, and IE just doesn't have the tabs or feel that I like when using Firefox.

FF 1.5 is stable for me, with the exception of poor memory managment. Its never crashed on me.

It's you.

it's definitely just you. i have been using 1.5 since it's first beta's ...been using the nightly tools to force my extensions to work, besides the memory issues, no stability problems, so it's just you.

I used Deer Park Alpha 1 onwards and hardly had any problem, and no problems with 15, I think it is the extensions, alot of extensions are still Alpha.

Am I the only one that thought firebird was better?

I like firefox but for some reason, since early builds of 1.5, and the current 1.5, it doesnt like me, but i still use it maybe its my PC, since it does need a good reformat

I've been having problems loading some pages, so I've been using Opera/IE for those, but otherwise Firefox has been working well for me.

I don't really see anything I'd call a new "feature" since 0.x . It's just improvements in existing functionality and css / rendering compatibility.

A new feature would be : Chat, Mail, Media player, etc.

All it does is render mark up feeds. Like all browsers.

I'd actually be worried if they did build in new features, it's bloatfree and should stay that way.

Its been about the same for me since 1.07. Only time is messes up is with mplayerplug-in, and I expect that would be fixed if I took the time to update mplayerplug-in.

Same here, haven't run into any increased "instability" in 1.5. The media plugins are the cause of most problems for me. Occassionally, some heavily-scripted or IE-centric page may also cause problems. Running 20 extensions too, and Fx is stable!

I have a family member and a friend at IBM, they both use firefox. So HA! lol

They may use firefox, but the employees don't only use firefox, and they're not forced to use it.

Crashes on me a few times a week, Especially when i have lots of tabs open or try videos

1.5 isn't very stable, I've had it crash on me about 3 or 4 times. I've never had this problem before and also I recently had it freeze on me, it's too bad because I really like firefox and adblock. Hopefully they will fix this, also I've seen firefox use over 300mb of ram with only 5 tabs open, I cannot imagine that it acctually needs that much ram. Atm I have 8 tabs opened and only 70mb or ram, something is wrong here. Memory leaks?

1.5 has been crashing on me at least once or twice a day. It's been freezing too. I'm probably going to do a fresh install in the next few days and hopefully that will fix it.

Firefox has never been stable in the sense that it never crashes. It crashes rather a lot as a program. But then it's usually due to some factor that is not nessesarily pure-markup related.

1.5 I think is better than 1.0.7, but still could improve. Though I dont experience as much crashes as whats been described, it just freezes sometimes.

But I mean I do have 36 extensions installed...so yea...

I guess my needs are low with regards to extensions and plugins etc...I've been using FF for the last few years now and I think I've suffered about three crashes in the same many years. I do have a few add-ons such as Web Developer toolbar, Color picker and Measure It, but I've never experienced anything out of the ordinary.

On the other hand, I feel that I.E. tends to mess things up more for me than FF. I don't bother with any other browsers and if I had an Apple, would use Safari during development for rendering and testing purposes.

Just my two cents....

Who said they did/were?

Master Shake did you installing ff 1.5 over 1.0.x version. try a fresh install and see if that helps Master Shake, it should eliminate most of the problems you had before, i uninstall ff 1.0.x and did a complete fresh install and remove any hidden Directory from the old ff 1.0.x before i install ff 1.5 and ff 1.5 has been stable for me at least. i think the problem is that people install the new ff 1.5 over the old ff 1.0.x versions. i think they should do a complete fresh install and see if that helps.

Let me see what I got...

Firefox 1.5 - been using it since 1.5b2. overall performance felt better than 1.0.x versions.

47 ext + 19 themes - most of them worked fine when i forced compatibility with the betas and still works fine now with 1.5 final. All those extensions doesn't really slow down my FF that much at all. FFx starts up in 3 secs for me and I dont have that fast of a comp. A$$load of extensions and no stability problems at all.

Memory usage - between 30-100mb on normal usage. between 100-200mb with mucho tabs open and image heavy sites. Firefox is known to eat up memory overtime, but the solution is quick and easy, just restart FFx, it takes only a sec. An even better solution is to get a gig or two of ram than you won't care about apps being memory hogs anymore. I only got 512mb but everything still runs smooth for me. Opera/IE fanboys solution would be to uninstall FF, install and use opera/IE.

Crash frequency - 1.5 actually crashes less than 1.0.7 did for me. With or without extensions, firefox crashes more than any other app i know. Most of these crashes happen when i visit sites that are heavy on the javascript, images, flash, ajax, and other fancy web effects and bad coding. Random crashes happen about once a day for either versions of firefox.

Other - As for media playback, no problems here.

As I see it, there's no reason why you shouldn't already upgrade to 1.5 from 1.0.7. It's faster for one thing, and it also has better security and more bugs fixed. The "instability" everyone is experiencing is all psychological. Get over it and upgrade already.