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Scirwode
I have been very busy lately (which includes trying to get tickets to watch Transformers whistle.gif ) so I haven't had the time to see if there was any impact with my comments. It seems there is a little impact, but for the most part it's still the same. Oh well, you can only help so much laugh.gif !

Quote - (hulkachopblocker @ Jul 1 2007, 02:05) *
^^^ thats long ...... ohmy.gif


That's short for me, comes with being a writer in my free time.

Quote - (acies @ Jul 1 2007, 02:13) *
LOL, I don't think there's a need for essays on this...


I don't know, I thought it was relevant but if you feel differently, I will understand.

Quote - (SooperDoode @ Jul 1 2007, 04:47) *
It's long but funny! biggrin.gif

I agree with Scirwode on this one. Batman is awesome. His incredibly long and well written argument thing was good too.


Ah, another fan cry.gif ! Thank you for the comment wink.gif !

Quote - (Smeltn @ Jul 1 2007, 04:14) *

Wall of Text Crits you for 25023 points of damage!


I knew I should have put in that sonnet and poem in. I even composed a song for it but felt it was too cheesy for this topic shiftyninja.gif ...

Quote - (Capric0rn @ Jul 1 2007, 03:48) *
@Scirwode: Well said wink.gif It's appreciated smile.gif


Ah, no worries wink.gif .

Scirwode
NightmarE D
Quote - (Elektro @ Jul 4 2007, 17:48) *
I fail to see a true reason why.


Because the artist has made it clear MODS AREN'T ALLOWED. Meaning if any are posted in here an ADMIN will delete the post.

You need to drop the subject. I apologize to everyone else for replying to this, but I noticed the person waits a while before replying. Making everyone think the subject is dropped then they bring it up again.

If you bring it up again I'll start reporting you as SPAM and I ask that others do so as well. Right now that's technically what you're doing whenever you argue about this. Drop it, seriously. You're acting like a little kid over such a stupid little subject as a mod for a theme. I doubt any kind of mod you did would better the theme. It's perfectly fine how it is.
em3
Quote - (Elektro @ Jul 5 2007, 16:56) *
I don't really consider mods functioning to "better" a theme, but rather to allow a variety of more choices for way of preference. I think that Microsoft discovered a variety of customization options is key for a good visual style, which would explain all of the customization options in Windows Vista. But, it is perfectly clear that it is too much to ask of the authors of Luna Element to keep to the theme's roots which developed it's popularity and provide several key color options - like simply offering the black theme with green rather than orange elements.

Royale Vista II is developing into a much better theme anyway...

Initially I didn't even intend to release the LE5.1 black because of the fact I didn't think the quality would meet the same standard as the blue theme. And in my personal opinion, it didn't. But people didn't want to wait for a better black style (unrelated to LE), and because of persistence by forum users... LE5.1 Black. It probably couldn't have turned out any differently with the gray backgrounds which ruined the LE feel imo. Orange, green or blue, it probably wouldn't have mattered. You can never satisfy everyone.

No offense to Capric0rn who worked hard to finish the theme and made it as good as it could possibly get. I know for a fact we haven't seen the last of his work, and the future sure looks promising. smile.gif
Elektro
It seems that everyone has turned against me in arguing this; I meant only to play the devil's advocate. I wasn't trying to be threatening in mentioning "what if" about releasing a mod or anything; I respect em3 and capric0rn's wishes in not having mods released but if I personally see other people making mods of a theme I don't wish to make myself as welcome help, just as long as credit is given (in addition to the fact that I don't think either of the two exactly have legal control over what it done). To each their own though. I find some of the comments from other users interesting...but I many of you failed to see my point.
SooperDoode
Quote - (Elektro @ Jul 5 2007, 16:27) *
It seems that everyone has turned against me in arguing this; I meant only to play the devil's advocate. I wasn't trying to be threatening in mentioning "what if" about releasing a mod or anything; I respect em3 and capric0rn's wishes in not having mods released but if I personally see other people making mods of a theme I don't wish to make myself as welcome help, just as long as credit is given (in addition to the fact that I don't think either of the two exactly have legal control over what it done). To each their own though. I find some of the comments from other users interesting...but I many of you failed to see my point.


No, no. I see your point very clearly. You were wondering what would be done IF a mod was released and not taken down when asked, correct? I'm not sure what em3 could do as he is the sole "owner" of the Luna Element style but I do believe he could issue a cease and desist order (if he really wanted to) to any party distributing a modification of his work EVEN with credit given by said party. Because em3 clearly stated that mods were not allowed under any circumstance, I believe legal action could be taken. I may be wrong though. It's an interesting thought.

It really is the authors choice of whether he or she or they want mods released. Some themers don't mind or care and some do. If there is something you don't particularly like about the theme, it is nice to have an option to change it and yes, sometimes a mod IS freely available (which is incredibly helpful and saves you time). However, overall, it is the original themer's style (whether it is based or "inspired" from a previous style or not) and he or she has the final say as to what can and cannot be done with the skin and what will or will not be featured.

I think the other posters are just frustrated to see the mod issue brought up again. We've spent a couple of pages discussing why mods ar enot allowed and arguing about how right or wrong it is. I think several of the regular visitors to this thread were relieved to see the issue dropped regardless of how it was resolved. So, don't feel like any of the posts are a personal attack on you. It's probably just better to drop the subject and move on. The last thing we need is for a mod to come in here and take action. There is no telling what a mod would do to clean things up.
SMELTN
Quote - (Elektro @ Jul 5 2007, 12:56) *
Royale Vista II is developing into a much better theme anyway...



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain.


The phrase is sometimes also used to refer to one expressing, in an unsportsmanlike or ungracious way, anger or frustration at having failed to acquire something (i.e. being a "sore loser"), regardless of whether the party denies their desire for the item. Not including the denial of desire is technically a slipshod extension of the metaphor because it is inconsistent with the phrase's origin in the fable and the notion of the grapes being "sour".
Zoom7000
Quote - (em3 @ Jul 5 2007, 19:36) *
No offense to Capric0rn who worked hard to finish the theme and made it as good as it could possibly get. I know for a fact we haven't seen the last of his work, and the future sure looks promising. smile.gif

WIP eh? Spill the beans Cap! Let us know what's coming! wink.gif
Capric0rn
No offence.. but I wont show previews cause I know what will happen if I do. Check the "Whaddya think ?" thread in the WIP section to see what I mean wink.gif
SooperDoode
Quote - (Capric0rn @ Jul 6 2007, 02:46) *
No offence.. but I wont show previews cause I know what will happen if I do. Check the "Whaddya think ?" thread in the WIP section to see what I mean wink.gif



ONG! WEN WILL DA THEME RELEASE?!1/?1 I dun think itll be release ever.capricorn will release in a billion years because he is mean and won't hurry and work on theme. AHHHH! I caNT' WAIT!

OH! I don like da pink!!1!11!capitolspacebar!11 you needa change it it looks awfule!11



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Capric0rn
Lol. Sarcastic little punk =P
SakuraKira
Quote - (Zoom7000 @ Jul 5 2007, 20:07) *
WIP eh? Spill the beans Cap! Let us know what's coming! wink.gif


I don't blame you one itoa. I think you did a wonderful job with LE 5.1 black btw, I am still using it biggrin.gif. Looking forward to your next release wink.gif.
Elektro
Quote - (Smeltn @ Jul 5 2007, 18:19) *
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain.
The phrase is sometimes also used to refer to one expressing, in an unsportsmanlike or ungracious way, anger or frustration at having failed to acquire something (i.e. being a "sore loser"), regardless of whether the party denies their desire for the item. Not including the denial of desire is technically a slipshod extension of the metaphor because it is inconsistent with the phrase's origin in the fable and the notion of the grapes being "sour".


Smeltn, I'm a graphic artist...I've already modded Luna Element exactly the way I want it to be. This doesn't even apply at all. I was speaking more on the behalf of the less graphically capable smile.gif
martin10018
Quote - (Capric0rn @ Jul 6 2007, 09:46) *
No offence.. but I wont show previews cause I know what will happen if I do. Check the "Whaddya think ?" thread in the WIP section to see what I mean wink.gif

Can I release a my mod of your next vs? biggrin.gif
Capric0rn
^Another sarcastic punk tongue.gif

@Elektro: Read my last post. I said "End of discussion."
ZurkSez
screenshots maybe?
Capric0rn
I only have mockups atm that I am working on. I might compile a few things next week so no screenshots for some time wink.gif
maddox
Quote - (Capric0rn @ Jul 6 2007, 17:26) *
@Elektro: Read my last post. I said "End of discussion."

I totally agree. It's very annoying to read about a Mod in every ~third Posting.

Quote - (Elektro)
I've already modded Luna Element exactly the way I want it to be.

So what's your Problem? Use your LE-Mod for yourself and be happy smile.gif .


acies
hmm, maybe reverse psychology would work... shifty.gif


Capric0rn please don't release anytime soon, we don't want anything.
Capric0rn
what the hell is wrong with neowin hmm.gif
Radish™
A wee little SQL error popped up a few minutes ago confused.gif

Don't worry, I'll ban all those hecklers that are dumping on your theme Capric0rn wink.gif

Radish™
Capric0rn
@acies: Alright man, here's a scree.... ooooh man you almost got me there tongue.gif

@Radish™: Thanks smile.gif I think the book about the LE-Mod story finally closed tongue.gif
StevoFC
I had a nice long post all written up about how people are acting about this theme but decided not to post it. it would have definitely rubbed some people the wrong way and i'd probably just end up banned for telling the truth... wink.gif
Elektro
Quote - (maddox @ Jul 6 2007, 11:55) *
So what's your Problem? Use your LE-Mod for yourself and be happy smile.gif .


Not everyone is completely self-centered...and it would probably shut up the posts about making 3,432,343 changes to the theme. BUT moving on.


Shigeru Miyamoto once said "A delayed game is eventually good; a bad game is bad forever" - the longer it takes to develop the theme, the better the outcome, wouldn't you say?
Capric0rn
That's why I'm taking my time with my new WIP. em3 did the same with LE5.1 and that turned out great! No bugs whatsoever. I probably should have done that with LE 5.1 Black as well wink.gif Ah well.. people learn from their mistakes so =P

Note: This is the last thing that's said about my new WIP in this thread. This is a thread for Luna Element so wink.gif
And come on guys, let's drop the mod subject for everyones sake, alright? Then no one will get hurt shifty.gif
martin10018
This wall by Vladstudio fits perfectly:

Click to view attachment

You can find it here:

http://www.vladstudio.com/wallpaper/?503

And it makes you feel ORANGE...
Alvi -
Glad to hear you're working on a new theme Capric0rn! I already know that it will kick ass! biggrin.gif
hulkachopblocker
Foobar skin works great on Vista ............... or did you guys know this already hmm.gif

someone173
no 1200x800? =( very beautiful theme though.
pS-
If anyone is looking for the Orange Mustang wallpaper that was shown in the first preview of LE Black, i managed it find it with Flickr;

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=541441820&size=o

smile.gif
Capric0rn
@Alvi 84: Thanks biggrin.gif I hope it will wink.gif
@pS-: That's a Tomb Raider wall. The orange Mustang can be found on CarWalls.com on this page.
dynamix00
im just surprised there hasn't been any start button mod posts for it yet haha. was a lot for the past LE themes but thanks for making the black version cap
Pippin666
Quote - (kincade @ Jul 8 2007, 10:52) *
im just surprised there hasn't been any start button mod posts for it yet haha. was a lot for the past LE themes but thanks for making the black version cap
Hi did one. Asked for the start button to be lit instead and dark when pressed.

Pip'
Capric0rn
Awwwww how sad sad.gif



Just kidding wink.gif Maybe you'll like the Superman Blue LE version. There's a screenshot from it a few posts back smile.gif

@kincade: I'm glad I was able to finish it for the people that wanted the skin smile.gif
maddox
Quote - (Neillithan @ Jul 8 2007, 23:05) *
I think it has been horrible since forever. The moment luna introduced vista styled min max close buttons was the moment I considered it officially garbage.

Secondly, when the window is not focused, who the hell decided inversing the gradient texture of the title bar was the appropriate thing to do? It looks flat and the colors are horrid when the window is not focused.

Lastly, the colors are so vibrant that it's hard to look it. It should be toned with ... a less vibrant blue should be used and the skin pretty much can't be helped so don't even take my advice, the skin is ****ed.

LE Blue got 55,191 Downloads. These Users can't be wrong blink.gif ?!
Quote - "Wincustomize - Best Skins of 2006"
Luna Element 5 from Tornado was easily one of the favorites of users everywhere. With a clean UI that blends XP and Vista together seamlessly, Luna Element makes our list of one of the best skins of 2006. LE 5.1 released in January of this year keeps the updates going.

http://www.wincustomize.com/Articles.aspx?aid=150608

With Capric0rn's LE Black the Success Story continues cool.gif .


But like em3 said: "You can never satisfy everyone".
peterPL
Green startbutton smile.gif

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Randolph
Edit.


Ok wtf....where is this visual style to be found? I am not searching 200 pages of this thread just to find it. Why doesn't a Moderator edit the first post to have the link to it? noexpression.gif
trAsher
Quote - (Tem @ Jul 9 2007, 18:24) *
Ok wtf....where is this visual style to be found?


http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57571128/
Capric0rn
You can click my signature as well. It links to my deviantART page wink.gif
Suicide
Quote - (Tem @ Jul 9 2007, 22:24) *
Edit.
Ok wtf....where is this visual style to be found? I am not searching 200 pages of this thread just to find it. Why doesn't a Moderator edit the first post to have the link to it? noexpression.gif

i was wondering when someone asks this
but there is so many wonderful things to discuss in this greatest-vs-topic-mix, then post a link (even on lunanet.net or whatever site u got, dudes - i was chekcing it - no link LOL)
i was ALWAYS thinking why do ppl like this style so much ... not far from a basic luna, smoother and glossier
[positively]
Capric0rn
Check lunaelement.net again. I made a thread their as well ofcourse wink.gif

People if you want LE v5.1 Black you can click my signature to go to my deviantART page. I'll ask em3 if he can post a link in the first post smile.gif
Alvi -
OFFTopic/ Nice sig Capric0rn tongue.gif
pS-
Quote - (pS- @ Jul 7 2007, 01:51) *
If anyone is looking for the Orange Mustang wallpaper that was shown in the first preview of LE Black, i managed it find it with Flickr;

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=541441820&size=o

smile.gif

Woops wrong link smile.gif

Correct; http://www.flickr.com/photos/itwins/520848991/
peterPL
tongue.gif

Click to view attachment
Zoom7000
Quote - (peterPL @ Jul 10 2007, 03:31) *

That is very nice Peter. Any chance of a Black button with Green on Hover/Pressed?
Capric0rn
@Alvi 84: Thanks I've updated my avatar as well biggrin.gif
em3
*Updated first post.
sn00pie
Quote - (maddox @ Jul 8 2007, 19:54) *
LE Blue got 55,191 Downloads. These Users can't be wrong blink.gif ?!

Just because there are 55,000 downloads doesn't mean there are 55,000 users.
tehmemories
Quote - (peterPL @ Jul 10 2007, 02:31) *


Can you please release the bitmap for that? I really love it.

Also, would you mind making that same green for black version 5.0.5?
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29511577/
peterPL
Quote - (Zoom7000 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:22) *
That is very nice Peter. Any chance of a Black button with Green on Hover/Pressed?

I don't have it black, maybe I will make soon

Quote - (tehmemories @ Jul 10 2007, 15:50) *
Can you please release the bitmap for that? I really love it.

Also, would you mind making that same green for black version 5.0.5?
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29511577/

sorry I can't share it here
Daeron Tinúviel
^^

why cant share it here? start button are allowed
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