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Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death
NEW YORK — U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.
“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.”
Karpinski’s testimony was reported by Margorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild who writes a weekly column for the website.
Cohn wrote that she presented Karpinski’s testimony at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration, which convened Jan. 20-22 at Riverside Church.
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn’t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom, Karpinski told retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview, Cohn reported. “There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night.” It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers.
Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition’s joint task force said in a briefing that “women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.”
“And rather than make everybody aware of that — because that’s shocking, and as a leader if that’s not shocking to you then you’re not much of a leader — what they told the surgeon to do is don’t brief those details anymore. And don’t say specifically that they’re women. You can provide that in a written report but don’t brief it in the open anymore.”
Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, the top deputy to Lt. Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, saw dehydration listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, Wojdakowski directed that the cause of death no longer be listed. The official explanation for this was to protect the women’s privacy rights, she said.
Sanchez’s attitude was: “The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory,” Karpinski quoted him as saying. Karpinski told Cohn that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to the political ramifications of everything he did, Cohn reported.
“It was out of control,” Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas Jefferson School of Law last October, according to the Truthout report. Although there was a toll-free number women could use to report sexual assaults, no one had a phone, and no one answered the U.S. number when it was called. Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording.
Even after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a machine that told callers to leave a message, Karpinski told Cohn.
Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command. Karpinski subsequently resigned from the military, and in October she published a book, One Woman’s Army, the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story, in which she claims the prisoner abuses were carried out under orders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
The commission in New York heard testimony from Karpinski and others about indefinite detention, rendition for torture, destruction of the environment, attacks on public health and reproductive rights, and actions and inactions leading up to and following Hurricane Katrina, Cohn wrote.
Harry Belafonte, a participant and keynote speaker, said, “When a government fails to protect justice it is the responsibility of the people to rise up and change the guard, change the regime. Those who fail to answer that call should be charged with patriotic treason.”
posted February 8, 2006
http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/022...20806.shtml#top
Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death
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Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death
NEW YORK — U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.
“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.”
Karpinski’s testimony was reported by Margorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild who writes a weekly column for the website.
Cohn wrote that she presented Karpinski’s testimony at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration, which convened Jan. 20-22 at Riverside Church.
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn’t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom, Karpinski told retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview, Cohn reported. “There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night.” It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers.
Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition’s joint task force said in a briefing that “women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.”
“And rather than make everybody aware of that — because that’s shocking, and as a leader if that’s not shocking to you then you’re not much of a leader — what they told the surgeon to do is don’t brief those details anymore. And don’t say specifically that they’re women. You can provide that in a written report but don’t brief it in the open anymore.”
Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, the top deputy to Lt. Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, saw dehydration listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, Wojdakowski directed that the cause of death no longer be listed. The official explanation for this was to protect the women’s privacy rights, she said.
Sanchez’s attitude was: “The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory,” Karpinski quoted him as saying. Karpinski told Cohn that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to the political ramifications of everything he did, Cohn reported.
“It was out of control,” Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas Jefferson School of Law last October, according to the Truthout report. Although there was a toll-free number women could use to report sexual assaults, no one had a phone, and no one answered the U.S. number when it was called. Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording.
Even after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a machine that told callers to leave a message, Karpinski told Cohn.
Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command. Karpinski subsequently resigned from the military, and in October she published a book, One Woman’s Army, the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story, in which she claims the prisoner abuses were carried out under orders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
The commission in New York heard testimony from Karpinski and others about indefinite detention, rendition for torture, destruction of the environment, attacks on public health and reproductive rights, and actions and inactions leading up to and following Hurricane Katrina, Cohn wrote.
Harry Belafonte, a participant and keynote speaker, said, “When a government fails to protect justice it is the responsibility of the people to rise up and change the guard, change the regime. Those who fail to answer that call should be charged with patriotic treason.”
NEW YORK — U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.
“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.”
Karpinski’s testimony was reported by Margorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild who writes a weekly column for the website.
Cohn wrote that she presented Karpinski’s testimony at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration, which convened Jan. 20-22 at Riverside Church.
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn’t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom, Karpinski told retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview, Cohn reported. “There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night.” It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers.
Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition’s joint task force said in a briefing that “women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.”
“And rather than make everybody aware of that — because that’s shocking, and as a leader if that’s not shocking to you then you’re not much of a leader — what they told the surgeon to do is don’t brief those details anymore. And don’t say specifically that they’re women. You can provide that in a written report but don’t brief it in the open anymore.”
Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, the top deputy to Lt. Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, saw dehydration listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, Wojdakowski directed that the cause of death no longer be listed. The official explanation for this was to protect the women’s privacy rights, she said.
Sanchez’s attitude was: “The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory,” Karpinski quoted him as saying. Karpinski told Cohn that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to the political ramifications of everything he did, Cohn reported.
“It was out of control,” Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas Jefferson School of Law last October, according to the Truthout report. Although there was a toll-free number women could use to report sexual assaults, no one had a phone, and no one answered the U.S. number when it was called. Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording.
Even after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a machine that told callers to leave a message, Karpinski told Cohn.
Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command. Karpinski subsequently resigned from the military, and in October she published a book, One Woman’s Army, the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story, in which she claims the prisoner abuses were carried out under orders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
The commission in New York heard testimony from Karpinski and others about indefinite detention, rendition for torture, destruction of the environment, attacks on public health and reproductive rights, and actions and inactions leading up to and following Hurricane Katrina, Cohn wrote.
Harry Belafonte, a participant and keynote speaker, said, “When a government fails to protect justice it is the responsibility of the people to rise up and change the guard, change the regime. Those who fail to answer that call should be charged with patriotic treason.”
Source:Vermont Guardian
Whats wrong with this WORLD!
Get a dam Flesh light ffs lol, or go to kings cross and get laid, jesus.
Get a dam Flesh light ffs lol, or go to kings cross and get laid, jesus.
No one really cares now do they? See how long this takes to get to mainstream media. We live in a sick society.
Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.
It's wrong.
It's also wrong that females should be on 'front line duty' also.
A war zone is not for women.
It's also wrong that females should be on 'front line duty' also.
A war zone is not for women.
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Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.
Can't blame the soldiers for raping people? What? Am I missing something here?
Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.
Soldiers were given a qouta of condoms and made aware of STD's and educated about proper sanitation and medical examination after visiting brothels between WWII and Vietnam eras. They promoted abstinence back in WWI and determined that it did not work and did not protect the soldiers. Of course the idea of brothels in Baghdad and Iraq in general wouldn't go over very highly with the local population. Point in general to this topic is that sexually isolated individuals are going to seek out some sort of gratification and it should not be rape, make other arrangements.
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Quote - (TheGriffin @ Mar 26 2007, 17:57) [snapback]588425817[/snapback]
Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.
Of course! Comfort women! Why hasn't someone thought of that before?!
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Of course! Comfort women! Why hasn't someone thought of that before?!We should call the new PM of Japan, he says they knew how to get the women to pleasure their men willingly.
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We should call the new PM of Japan, he says they knew how to get the women to pleasure their men willingly.
Yeah but he might hit the Army with patents and licensing and all that crap, it'd just get messy. :\
The Dutch have the right idea:
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2
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A mayor in the Netherlands has suggested an innovative way to boost the morale of troops serving overseas. She thinks they should have prostitutes sent with them.
Annemarie Jorritsma, mayor of central Netherlands town Almere, raised the idea on Dutch television.
'There was once the suggestion that a few prostitutes should accompany troops on missions. I think that is something we should talk about,' she said.
'The army must consider ways its soldiers can let off steam,' she added.
The Netherlands have approximately 2,000 soliders currently serving overseas, mostly in Bosnia or Afghanistan. It also has approximately 20,000 to 25,000 prostitutes. That's a theoretical maximum of around twelve prostitutes per soldier.
And the spokesperson for sex workers organisation VER, Andre van Dorst, thought that the idea might not be completely crackers, saying: 'I can see something in this, though it's a very strange idea.'
However, Wim van den Burg, a spokesman for the Dutch soldier's trade union played down the idea, probably quite wisely. 'I don't think my wife would find it a good idea,' he said.
Annemarie Jorritsma, mayor of central Netherlands town Almere, raised the idea on Dutch television.
'There was once the suggestion that a few prostitutes should accompany troops on missions. I think that is something we should talk about,' she said.
'The army must consider ways its soldiers can let off steam,' she added.
The Netherlands have approximately 2,000 soliders currently serving overseas, mostly in Bosnia or Afghanistan. It also has approximately 20,000 to 25,000 prostitutes. That's a theoretical maximum of around twelve prostitutes per soldier.
And the spokesperson for sex workers organisation VER, Andre van Dorst, thought that the idea might not be completely crackers, saying: 'I can see something in this, though it's a very strange idea.'
However, Wim van den Burg, a spokesman for the Dutch soldier's trade union played down the idea, probably quite wisely. 'I don't think my wife would find it a good idea,' he said.
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The Dutch have the right idea:
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2
That would be pretty sweet.
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Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.
How can you honestly, in any way, shape or form justify rape...Rape is not the same as sex...!!!...
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Can't blame the soldiers for raping people? What? Am I missing something here?
Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.
Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.
Couldnt agree with you more...
He's not saying they should rape, he's saying they should send over lots and lots of cheap women.
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Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.
Why can't they just make nice with the locals? Those veils are mysterious and alluring.
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Why can't they just make nice with the locals? Those veils are mysterious and alluring.
hahaha
There are cases over there, where the local prostitutes are executed for Islamification of the Country.
So I presume it would be a bad idea to have them sent over with the armies
Court martial the ****ers. End of story.
The Dutch know what they're doing though.
The Dutch know what they're doing though.
I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.
Canadian women serve in mixed tanks and on mixed submarines. In a professional army you shouldn't even need separate washrooms.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html
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I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.
Maybe if those men weren't animals they wouldn't have resorted to it.
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I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.
you could blame the men themselves rather than their circumstances.
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Canadian women serve in mixed tanks and on mixed submarines. In a professional army you shouldn't even need separate washrooms.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html
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you could blame the men themselves rather than their circumstances.
Agreed.
If the circumstances were to blame, there would be an epidemic of rape. I believe these are still isolated cases?
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If the circumstances were to blame, there would be an epidemic of rape. I believe these are still isolated cases?
Yes, rape is rape - no excuses, nobody is to blame only the usless sick cnt that perpatrates this sick crime.
Off with the balls upon conviction.
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Off with the balls upon conviction.
That would be a pretty awful system in light of cases like these:
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=86425
So he was put away on eye witness testimony only? Wow.... I hope that can't be done these days, it's got to be one of the most unreliable forms of evidence.
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That would be a pretty awful system in light of cases like these:
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=86425
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=86425
Those wrongful conviction cases are scary.
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Those wrongful conviction cases are scary.
They are, and its the primary reason I oppose the death penalty as well. I fully believe that a punishment must lend itself to compensation in the case of an error.
Wow, I considered posting an intelligent response to this article until I read the replies. The fact that some of you are actually justifying the soldiers' actions tells me that Neowin is NOT the place for intelligent discussion of world issues. Just... wow.
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Wow, I considered posting an intelligent response to this article until I read the replies. The fact that some of you are actually justifying the soldiers' actions tells me that Neowin is NOT the place for intelligent discussion of world issues. Just... wow.
The soldiers actions need not be justified or unjustified. The real cause for alarm in that article was that, instead of dealing with the problem, they were told to sweep it under th rug.
Major Mistakes in New York Times Story About Rape in Military
We all make mistakes, right? And when we do, we have several options: we can hope no one notices; try and fix it before anyone notices; or apologize, and do our best to make it right.
When you're a journalist, the stakes are higher. All we have is our credibility. If we make an error on-air, or on a page, it's out there for the world to see. We have to correct it, or our reputation (personally, and that of our organization) suffers.
I've certainly made mistakes. One memorable gaffe occurred at my first on-air job in Columbia, S.C. — I was filling in for the anchorman, and someone called our newsroom minutes before the 6:00 hour, to report that a local radio personality had been killed in a car crash. I told the producer about it, and instead of calling the hospital (or anyone else) to check, she told me to "go with it." So I did.
Minutes later, the DJ called to tell us he was, in fact, alive. There was no accident. We were the victims of a cruel joke.
On Sunday, The New York Times admitted it made a mistake. Actually, there were multiple "corrections" on page A2, including a pet food recall that was not expanded, and providing the right telephone number for a cabaret that was reviewed.
But the biggest correction, under the heading "Editor's Note," wasn't your garden variety misprint.
The Times admitted it distributed an article in the March 18 edition of its Sunday Magazine, while knowing the story contained some glaring inaccuracies. The article was about women who served in Iraq, the sexual abuse some say they endured, and their struggles in reclaiming their pre-war lives. But one of the women profiled, who said she'd been raped twice and suffered brain damage when a roadside bomb exploded next to her Humvee, was never actually IN Iraq. She lied. And, there was no roadside bomb. Readers were left to wonder if there'd been any sexual assaults.
The newspaper knew about the mistakes on March 12, six days before the magazine was distributed, and 13 days before it published the correction. The magazine was printed on March 9 — three days before the lies were discovered — but there was still plenty of time to reprint it. The cost might've been huge, but wouldn't it be worth it for a paper whose masthead proclaims "All the News That's Fit to Print?"
If the cost was prohibitive, why not run a correction the same day the magazine appeared? Why not let readers know that the newspaper had discovered one of the women profiled in the article lied to them? They did the best they could in confirming her story, found out too late for the printers, but in time for readers to know the truth. Why wait another week?
We asked The Times these questions, but they haven't given us any answers.
Their "Editor's Note" explains the woman in question, Amorita Randall, "... did not serve in Iraq, but may have become convinced she did." It also says, "If The Times had learned these facts before publication, it would not have included Ms. Randall in the article."
If this were true, why not set the record straight in a more timely fashion?
Viewers would certainly demand the same of us.
* After my story aired, I received a call from one of the other women quoted in the article. "Ann" wanted to be sure people know sex abuse exists in the military, and plenty of servicewomen are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and Military Sexual Trauma (MST). She also says the military has some excellent programs to help women (and men) deal with these kinds of issues, and says the treatment has helped her and many others. She suggests contacting the Veteran's Administration, and/or the National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Source
We all make mistakes, right? And when we do, we have several options: we can hope no one notices; try and fix it before anyone notices; or apologize, and do our best to make it right.
When you're a journalist, the stakes are higher. All we have is our credibility. If we make an error on-air, or on a page, it's out there for the world to see. We have to correct it, or our reputation (personally, and that of our organization) suffers.
I've certainly made mistakes. One memorable gaffe occurred at my first on-air job in Columbia, S.C. — I was filling in for the anchorman, and someone called our newsroom minutes before the 6:00 hour, to report that a local radio personality had been killed in a car crash. I told the producer about it, and instead of calling the hospital (or anyone else) to check, she told me to "go with it." So I did.
Minutes later, the DJ called to tell us he was, in fact, alive. There was no accident. We were the victims of a cruel joke.
On Sunday, The New York Times admitted it made a mistake. Actually, there were multiple "corrections" on page A2, including a pet food recall that was not expanded, and providing the right telephone number for a cabaret that was reviewed.
But the biggest correction, under the heading "Editor's Note," wasn't your garden variety misprint.
The Times admitted it distributed an article in the March 18 edition of its Sunday Magazine, while knowing the story contained some glaring inaccuracies. The article was about women who served in Iraq, the sexual abuse some say they endured, and their struggles in reclaiming their pre-war lives. But one of the women profiled, who said she'd been raped twice and suffered brain damage when a roadside bomb exploded next to her Humvee, was never actually IN Iraq. She lied. And, there was no roadside bomb. Readers were left to wonder if there'd been any sexual assaults.
The newspaper knew about the mistakes on March 12, six days before the magazine was distributed, and 13 days before it published the correction. The magazine was printed on March 9 — three days before the lies were discovered — but there was still plenty of time to reprint it. The cost might've been huge, but wouldn't it be worth it for a paper whose masthead proclaims "All the News That's Fit to Print?"
If the cost was prohibitive, why not run a correction the same day the magazine appeared? Why not let readers know that the newspaper had discovered one of the women profiled in the article lied to them? They did the best they could in confirming her story, found out too late for the printers, but in time for readers to know the truth. Why wait another week?
We asked The Times these questions, but they haven't given us any answers.
Their "Editor's Note" explains the woman in question, Amorita Randall, "... did not serve in Iraq, but may have become convinced she did." It also says, "If The Times had learned these facts before publication, it would not have included Ms. Randall in the article."
If this were true, why not set the record straight in a more timely fashion?
Viewers would certainly demand the same of us.
* After my story aired, I received a call from one of the other women quoted in the article. "Ann" wanted to be sure people know sex abuse exists in the military, and plenty of servicewomen are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and Military Sexual Trauma (MST). She also says the military has some excellent programs to help women (and men) deal with these kinds of issues, and says the treatment has helped her and many others. She suggests contacting the Veteran's Administration, and/or the National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Source
much like FOX news not correcting or apologizing for labeling Mark Foley a Democrat
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Major Mistakes in New York Times Story About Rape in Military
So they admitted that they learned that one of the interviewees had not actually been to Iraq. It was found after the publication date but before the final magazine printing. They printed a correction (presumably in the next issue since magazines are not daily publications).
I'm at a loss to suggest how this one fact invalidates the entire report. Clearly they felt there was sufficient information to publish when they had and then issue a correction. It sounds reasonable to me.
Were there more mistakes in the story other than this? If not then I fail to see how undermining one point invalidates the entire subject.
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much like FOX news not correcting or apologizing for labeling Mark Foley a Democrat
That was a screen graphic issue that, what, lasted for several seconds, a minute? How many people were falsely informed? If the evidence had not been screen captured at the right time then nobody would know or care about it now.
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So they admitted that they learned that one of the interviewees had not actually been to Iraq. It was found after the publication date but before the final magazine printing. They printed a correction (presumably in the next issue since magazines are not daily publications).
I'm at a loss to suggest how this one fact invalidates the entire report. Clearly they felt there was sufficient information to publish when they had and then issue a correction. It sounds reasonable to me.
Were there more mistakes in the story other than this? If not then I fail to see how undermining one point invalidates the entire subject.
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That was a screen graphic issue that, what, lasted for several seconds, a minute? How many people were falsely informed? If the evidence had not been screen captured at the right time then nobody would know or care about it now.
I'm at a loss to suggest how this one fact invalidates the entire report. Clearly they felt there was sufficient information to publish when they had and then issue a correction. It sounds reasonable to me.
Were there more mistakes in the story other than this? If not then I fail to see how undermining one point invalidates the entire subject.
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That was a screen graphic issue that, what, lasted for several seconds, a minute? How many people were falsely informed? If the evidence had not been screen captured at the right time then nobody would know or care about it now.
I do not think it invallidates the entire report; but I do believe you should not lie about being raped...
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Off with the balls upon conviction.
That would be a pretty awful system in light of cases like these:
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=86425
Off with the balls upon conviction.
That would be a pretty awful system in light of cases like these:
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=86425
No balls or 22 yrs in jail....
il sacrafice the balls i think.
I think rape is horrible no matter where it happens in the world. When someone is found guilty of rape, they should have their penis and testicals cut off. Period. No excuses. That way you know up front if you rape someone you will lose your genitals period. Either that or when someone is found guilty of rape they should be raped with a baseball bat every day for a year.
I also do not think that women should be on the front lines at all. I weigh 260 lbs and I am 6'2" tall. There are not many women that could carry me out of battle if they had to. Most men could do it.
I also do not think that women should be on the front lines at all. I weigh 260 lbs and I am 6'2" tall. There are not many women that could carry me out of battle if they had to. Most men could do it.
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I also do not think that women should be on the front lines at all. I weigh 260 lbs and I am 6'2" tall. There are not many women that could carry me out of battle if they had to. Most men could do it.
Im al little taller and a little heavier 6lbs
i wouldnt say most men could do it + the #1 priority on the fromt line is not whether toy can carry big men like us . . .there are many positions there...Besides.. nothing scares the **** out of me more than an angry woman with a gun in one hand and a knife in the other . . u cant reason with them!
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That was a screen graphic issue that, what, lasted for several seconds, a minute? How many people were falsely informed? If the evidence had not been screen captured at the right time then nobody would know or care about it now.
it's true, but the way the left side blew it out of proportion, you'd think that FOX would've had something to say...
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I also do not think that women should be on the front lines at all. I weigh 260 lbs and I am 6'2" tall. There are not many women that could carry me out of battle if they had to. Most men could do it.
I'm 4'2" and 58lbs. I cant carry you. I couldn't even lift your leg to wrap a bandage around it. My thumb wouldn't stop a bullet wound from bleeding either.
j/k
OK Let me clarify my post...
I meant this, if the military would take care of these soldiers needs since they are serving for full tours and are deprived of sexual activity. I am not saying the RAPE is justifiable and no matter what the circumstances are RAPE is not an OPTION.
I meant this, if the military would take care of these soldiers needs since they are serving for full tours and are deprived of sexual activity. I am not saying the RAPE is justifiable and no matter what the circumstances are RAPE is not an OPTION.
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