I was loading up the theme "Aero MaX Dark Live Vista " by :DucTien at Deviantart:http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/53522768/

Look Here... http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/53954087/


Notice how the top and bottom of the media player window is transparent. but the Normalized explorer window is not. what can I do to make this work NON-Maximized. ??? Please help here I am a noobie.

I would also like to know what I use to edit .msstyle files?

Thanx,

Jon West aka Electrik Jesus

huh... what tell you that it's Vista Basic?
And transparency is made by DWM, you can't do anything transparent without it.

"huh... what tell you that it's Vista Basic?" the Screenshot is my computer. and I am running Vista Home Basic. but on the maximized glass themes. it somehow enables the "Glass effect" . but only on maximized themes. All I want to know is how to edit the theme so that the background layer that is put behind the windowframe is ignored like in the maximized state.

Please, learn to write decent english... i can't understand half of what you are saying.

I Don't know what is wrong with the message I am trying to convey here.

I Use Vista Home Basic.

I loaded a theme in Vista Basic that adds transperency to an OS that does not support it. "Glass" is a feature of Vista Premuim and Ultimate. Not BASIC.

So I posted about my find. I even included a screenshot.

And you just don't get what I am saying.....

I want to find out how to change the theme so that the parts of code that were left out that made the WindowBorders transparent when maximized, also do so when the window is not maximized. so that transparency works in Vista Basic.

His english is fine, maybe you're the problem.

Nice find, ingnore the comment about your english.

Нет

By that, you're actually infringing the company's rights and nullifying limitations set by the company to differentiate the different versions of Windows, and that's unethical and wrong isn't it?

PS: Not that I support MS, on the contrary.

Sooooo... you get glass without DWM

I can't even make the theme to run on my system...

You can get "Transparency" in XP with Windowblinds 5...
Hacking the Uxtheme should be in theory illegal but Neowin support it (hey there a patcher for XP "Neowin Edition")
Unless that guy "added" DWM or whatever other than a theme it's "ok" then.

Sorry, wasn't really thinking straight yesterday... my apologies to Jon West.

To explain further. Yes I am running DWM. it is a service that comes with Vista Basic Home. When I load a style from the Display Manager, I get the options

Windows Vista Standard
Windows Vista Basic
Windows Classic.

When I use the style "Windows Vista Standard" I get the look you see above.

When I use any style listed as "Windows Vista Standard" DWM loads up. and when I run just a basic theme, DWM unloads,
the shadows around the window go away, and DWM service stops.

Notice I don't get the option for the AERO theme at all.

I would like to find out info as to how I can take out the layer that makes my window NON-Transparent. since I now know that it can be done.

vista standard is simply aero except it's got the transparency hardcoded to be off. it's theoretically possible to hack it to be back on, but i have no idea how dwm works so i have no idea how. good luck

From what i make of the screenshot it looks like Vistamax transparency if DWM was been used your Taskbar would have also changed to a glassey look.

I don't think so. Think about it... if it were just a layer coded into the theme or the window manager. it could be coded in bitmap or even vector( which would make it harder to find. ). the layer that is added in "Basic" could be different in "Ultimate". I think with a few people looking into it there will be a patch for this that works in "Basic".
I have already started looking for the code myself. but I probably won't get near as far as fast as some of you out there. which is why I post here. many of you have great tallent but find yourselves sticking to the same old thing. why not broaden your horisons by working together on new ideas and projects.
With Vista, a lot of the innards is simple VisualBasic, and the rest is C, these are common languages.
I know that the whole Vista Registration System is VB for a fact. how much of the system is like that. easy to edit.
I think we could all figure out something. and now that DWM is being used now, it opend whole new possibilities in UI Themeing, where you can now impliment 3D anything into the UI.
This has many possibilites. If you remember, Lh 40xx had a Flip3D feature that let you move the windows independantly and also let you slide windows in and out on a "z" plane. That was cool!.
The functions are stull there, they just have to have the dots connected.

With that I will say goodnight,

Jon West aka Electrik Jesus

let me ask you do you have the new color appearance menu in personalize settings the one you get with home premium on up running DWM and stuff this one

I have that panel, but the "enable transparency" option is not there on my computer. And that color cycle app works as well. but still no transparency but for the expanded windows.

what graphics card was you running agian

Intel integrated pciX 950, it is DX10 compatible. I haven't had many problems running games that look good either.

I think you mean DX9...

As far as enabling glass on Home Basic, it's more than likely not possible without WindowBlinds. You'll need Home Premium or better to use any type of Aero-interface on Vista. Also considering your graphics card, I don't think it'll run Aero, at least not well.

Aero runs very smooth on my Intel GMA 950

Yeah that is what I got, an Intel GMA 950. thanks for that. and to clarify "simon360" Home Basic does have the capability of Aero Glass. This is why I posten this topic, and the screenshot shows the possibility of Aero Glass in a Home Basic edition of Vista. with just a little bit of digging, it will turn up.

Jusy wait, You will se.

Thanx

From what I know vista basic lacks the Aero theme and dwm all together. There is a registry add somwhere that can turn on dwm. I believe whats going on in your case is that the theme loads fine, but because basic lacks certain things it cannot load the transparency correctly.

Vista Basic does come with DWM. The only real difference is the theme included by Microsoft.

It's not some resource or registry key you can hack... it's tied to the SKU just like DreamScene and other capabilities. If you want transparency, don't buy Home Basic. Personally I don't even see why people care that much. I sometimes think it looks better when it's opaque.

Also, people were confused because of your thread title, which should have read "...Glass in Home Basic" - since Vista Basic isn't a SKU, it's a theme.

I agree, I can't stand completely clear glass, usually I have it on Graphite, only real neutral color Vista features, the rest are way too flamboyant.

try this, found it on a website

This only enables the "Standard" theme in Vista Home Basic. not the "Aero" theme. But I thank you for the help.

I am actually very close to getting it done. I have enabled transparency in the taskbar now. but still only when a window is maximized.
I have been very busy with work lately, but I will return to this as soon as possible.

thanx

I also have the transparent, title bar, exactly like Aero, but only when maximized. Interestingly enough, WMP has all the Aero effects of Vista Premium now, again only when maximized.

Everyone keeps saying it is impossible, but if the Aero effect works right now when maximized, then Basic is capable. We just need to figure out how.

Nothing there shows that it's vista home basic?

To me, if you want glass, buy home premium. Its what? £10 more than home basic?

Indeed, why waste your precious time doing something that is pointless when you can just add a little bit more for the same features?

Scirwode

I assure you, it's Vista Home Basic. Also, I already have Home Basic, upgrading costs $79.00

Here's another screenshot for the doubters. I am just curious why I can get the Aero effect when windows are maximized. Supposedly it is impossible.

Your screenshots are only showing Windows Media Player with Aero Glass.

The Windows UI is just plain Aero.

Sigh....

Read the post. All Windows have Aero Glass when maximized. WMP is maximized in the photo, the other window is not.

If Home Basic is CAPABLE of Aero Glass when maximized, then it is CAPABLE of Aero Glass.

If it is CAPABLE of Aero Glass, then there must be a way to enable it when the windows are not maximized.

Follow?

You know its funny because in Home Premium where Aero is enabled, on maximization the window loses transparency. Unless you've patched it with VistaGlazz .

Exactly.

Sooooo....

Can anyone explain why my Home Basic has the capability to have Aero Glass on maximized windows? Like I said several times, this shows Basic is capable, so why can't we make it work all the time?

I have to make some notes for the next version of VistaGlazz

Is it really possible to have transparent Windows in Basic?

I don't have nearly the coding skills that you have, And I have found so mutch evidence that whatever you did to the maximized windowframe, you could do to the non-maximized windowframe. it is code just like the maximized window was. I just had to put a ";" in front of that line for it to ignore the background trick. I haven't had time to venture further into it lately. I am having trouble just keeping this machine stable. When I can afford to drop 2g of ram into this notebook. I will pick the project back up.

If any of you want to know if there is any difference in code for my Vista Home Basic machine, from your own Vista Ultimate. Please e-mail me and I will try to help if at all possible.

Thanx

It's not impossible, it's the same DWM that's in Home Premium. It's just coded such that the capability is disabled on that SKU, essentially the same way Ultimate Extras are coded to only work on Ultimate, etc. It's not a registry tweak. If you want Home Premium, buy Home Premium. Stop trying to figure out how to steal features you didn't pay for.

Thank you - I have often thought this. If you wanted Ultimate, get Ultimate. Otherwise, live with the decision you made.

This is considered Warez, why? You are trying to circumvent and get access to features that you are not supposed to access! If you want Glass, you should have gotten the correct version.

Discussion of warez on this board is not tolerated. You should be warned and this thread should be closed.

Ah well, when you put it that way I might leave it out of VistaGlazz
Don't want to make Warez out of it.

Then by your standards this whole website can be torn down, because hacking the DLL files to enable third party themes = warez

What your say is like saying, if your on XP and you want more themes, go buy XP Plus...

If I could pay Microsoft a few quid just to enable transparency on Home Basic, I would!! But Microsoft dont offer a pick 'n' mix. You have to buy the full package with all the extra crap which I dont want.

Zyphrax - put it in VistaGlazz, make two versions or something, just show us it's possible.

What I mean by "trying to circumvent and get access to features that you are not supposed to access", I mean getting features you haven't paid for that you can get by paying more! Vista Ultimate doesn't give you custom theme support that only DLL patching can do, so that's legal.

Maybe it's allowed when I throw in a big disclaimer

If you can't live with it, revert to XP. Use Windows Blinds to get transparency in XP. That is more of your "pick 'n' mix" .



Don't do it. It comes with legal hassles.

I don't have XP to revert to, if I was going to buy XP I would just buy Vista...

And when I was talking about patching DLLs I wasn't just talking about Vista.... XP Plus anyone?

Also WindowBlinds enables transparency.. is that Warez? (I haven't made my decision on WindowBlinds yet so dont bother telling me)

If no-one is going to try and enable transparency for Home Basic then someone atleast make some themes that work on Home Basic!!! And I'm not talking about the "Basic" half of the theme, I'm talking about a full blown theme that doesn't rely on transparent Windows/Taskbar to look good.

I GOT IT!!! kinda... it's a bug within vista glazz




and here's a vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyOp9GjI70

How did you do that? and where have your window shadows gone?

did you watch the vid?

I don't know why the shadows are gone??? (watch the vid for a better understanding...)maybe because to get the windows transparent the windows have to be maximized therefor after the bug there's no shadows because maximized windows don't have shadows?