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M. Seth
Well if you have an objectdesktop subscription, fire up SDC and go grab it. And if you don't well then it's time to buy it.

Also if you own WB5.x I think within the last couple of months then you have access to the 6.0 betas.

It's got so many new features for both XP and Vista.







IceBreakerG
That's pretty cool that you can change the Vista Sidebar. I may look into this later on.
DigitalE
Sweet... I might have to buy Object Desktop now!
NienorGT
Good god, that is awesome, I'm re-installing Vista and XP next week, can't wait to see that in action!

CODE
[Please note WindowBlinds 5.90+ releases require existing versions of WindowBlinds to be
uninstalled and Stardock Central 2.46 Build 154 or later to install.]

WindowBlinds 5.90 beta
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[Refresh - turned off a debug file on vista and refreshed Molten skin for XP a bit]
-Initial beta release for 6.0.

WindowBlinds 6 is packed with new features. Many new features have been added for both Windows XP and Vista users. Check out the

• WindowBlinds now has Blur support in title bars in Windows XP (addionally on the menus on Windows Vista)
• WindowBlinds now supports all many of the new Windows Vista User Interface elements so that skins can change these sections (including sidebar skinning)! Other examples are IE navigation arrows, IE tabs, start menu shutdown/lock buttons, etc.
• The Start Menu now supports animation on both Windows XP and Vista! The new Molten skin has been included with the BETA to show off this “hot” new feature.
• WindowBlinds now has category filtering when viewing skins to apply. Users with many skins can now filter by the category assigned to the skin (for example Holiday, OS, Computers, Sports, etc.)
• Wallpaper can now be filtered by tags (keywords) such as Light/Dark, Animals, Plants, etc.) Allowing the user to quickly find wallpaper that will match their chosen skin.
• Support for a random skin selection when applying a new skin.
• Users can now recolor a skin and save that setting on a per skin basis. (For example changing blues to reds.)
• In addition, WindowBlinds now supports “Advanced HSL Coloring”. Users can choose a single color to change instead re-coloring the entire skin
• A Vista-izeTM me function which sets some defaults to have a more vista like look
• Explorer background bitmaps can now be included as part of the skin,
• And many more features…

More features list:
WindowBlinds now has the ability to…
• Edit the system colors from WindowBlinds
• Change skin fonts from WindowBlinds
• Control transparency and blur on start menu, menus, taskbar & window frames. Has some limitations on XP
• Save all skin changes as presets
• Edit a sidebar skin from within WindowBlinds
• Alter the mouse over animation speed
• Alter the default button pulsing speed
• Handle skin upgrades in an improved fashion
• Use the Aero frames with the rest of the skin
SkyyPunk
oooo interesting
martin10018
Is Skinstudio 6 available as well?

Got a ss from the new Molten skin?
em3
I'll have to see more beta screenshots if I'm gonna be convinced to buy this. tongue.gif One thing I noticed in the alpha screenshots was that the captionbar text rendering was really bad on transparent captionbars. Did they fix this in the beta?
Island Dog
Quote - (martin10018 @ Aug 2 2007, 05:33) *
Is Skinstudio 6 available as well?

Got a ss from the new Molten skin?


SkinStudio 6 beta should be up in the next week or so. I will get some screenshots up soon as well. smile.gif

For those who have the beta, the WindowBlinds 6 beta feedback thread is here.

Link

NienorGT
WB6 is PURE OWNAGE!!! PERFECT option for people not liking Vista but still like Aero.
Here a shot of Molten (TBH the skin sucks, because it's a mix of an old popular skin (forgot the name) with a new freaking cool animated start menu. The animation is mind blowing) and the two other new skins Diamond and Leo, both are really nice as well!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61240127/
Island Dog
Some more screenshots.







NienorGT
btw, I think that blur on XP with WB6 use less CPU than Aero, what you think Dog?
WoodyTang
Wb is really good. I am using it.
huskerpat
sweet. I added transparent borders to LE 5.1 black. w00t.gif
BeLGaRaTh
Molten is basically a brown version of the Chaninja style from a while back, whilst I loved the Chaninja skin, brown doesnt really do it for me, though I have to admit the start bar and the animation at the top is awesome tongue.gif

Just wondering if its the same in XP?
NienorGT
Yes, and the skin really don't go nice with the start menu, but I think it's just a proof of concept.
Echilon
Where can we actually download this? Stardock central won't show me the beta version.
Island Dog
Quote - (Echilon @ Aug 6 2007, 09:19) *
Where can we actually download this? Stardock central won't show me the beta version.


Make sure Stardock Central updates itself to the last version. Also, make sure you have "show pre-release" versions checked. smile.gif
Danrarbc
Quote - (Nienor @ Aug 3 2007, 19:38) *
btw, I think that blur on XP with WB6 use less CPU than Aero, what you think Dog?

Isn't Aero's blur all GPU anyway? As in a pixel-shaded effect?
Island Dog
Video Demo is up showing the Molten animation, and a few other features.

Check out the direct video link here: WB6 Beta Preview Video

smile.gif

Xenomorph
there are some annoying issues with WindowBlinds.

first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it. it's a little annoying to have it unload the Windows skinning engine - changing things to a "classic" look, and then load the WindowBlinds engine, then load the skin. When you go back to a native Windows theme, it has to unload the WindowBlinds engine - changing things back to a "classic" look, then load the Windows skinning engine and then the theme you selected.

second, those talented enough to make a WindowBlinds skin seem to enjoy making the most ugly, horrid interfaces known to man.

there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at. a lot of the people who make a Vista-looking skin for XP put crap in like fake Start Menus that have fake Search boxes. they don't function, but the skin designer thinks its cool to have the XP Start Menu look identical to Vista. why do they do this?
NienorGT
Here is Xenomorph back with his WB crapping up thinking that the themes make the program.
PermaSt0ne
Quote - (Xenomorph @ Aug 7 2007, 11:08) *
there are some annoying issues with WindowBlinds.

first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it. it's a little annoying to have it unload the Windows skinning engine - changing things to a "classic" look, and then load the WindowBlinds engine, then load the skin. When you go back to a native Windows theme, it has to unload the WindowBlinds engine - changing things back to a "classic" look, then load the Windows skinning engine and then the theme you selected.

second, those talented enough to make a WindowBlinds skin seem to enjoy making the most ugly, horrid interfaces known to man.

there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at. a lot of the people who make a Vista-looking skin for XP put crap in like fake Start Menus that have fake Search boxes. they don't function, but the skin designer thinks its cool to have the XP Start Menu look identical to Vista. why do they do this?


that's because the WB engine is faster, more streamlined than the default windows one. modifying windows would only cause issues

as for the skins.....maybe you just suck at finding skins? authors make winxp look like vista because, *SHOCK*, they like the look of vista but don't want to deal with driver and compatibility issues it still has.

i've found many skins that are fully functional and i love the way they look. if you don't' like any of the skins, heres a thought: make one yourself. that's what Skin Studio is for rolleyes.gif
troist
wow, i really like the way you can make .msstyles transparent. i wasn't actually interested at all in that video until i saw a transparent luna element tongue.gif i might actually consider buying the final version of WB6 then.
LOC
Bleh, uninstalled WB5, installed WB6, and now WB6 doesn't work at all. Windows, themes, icons, etc nothing is skinned, its all like XP Classic now. Nothing seems to work to get it working. Bleh.
Island Dog
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there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at


In your opinion maybe. There are a wide variety of skins for WB that can fit all kinds of styles whether you like bulky, industrial type skins, or maybe just minimal skins with minimal transparency. I would be happy to list links to all my favorite "usable" skins, but I really don't think it would help much.


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first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it.


What "functionality" do you want?


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Bleh, uninstalled WB5, installed WB6, and now WB6 doesn't work at all. Windows, themes, icons, etc nothing is skinned, its all like XP Classic now. Nothing seems to work to get it working. Bleh.


Make sure you have the latest version of Stardock Central installed, then uninstall and reinstall again. If you still have issues please report it to the WB6 feedback thread.

http://forums.wincustomize.com/?forumid=16...=159218&p=5
Danrarbc
Decided to put something I noticed in the WB6 on XP images I'd seen since the first one to the test. To see if I was imagining it or if it really wasn't blurring it's own window borders (no biggie that it doesn't, I imagine it's a performance boost to not do so).




Pleasant surprise in the test, VMR9 (specifically the renderless option in MPC) video actually gets blurred too. It's definitely not updating every frame if there's a lot of motion in the video such as a camera pan but I was amazed to see it doing this at all.


Kudos Stardock.

Randolph
Quote - (Xenomorph @ Aug 7 2007, 14:08) *
there are some annoying issues with WindowBlinds.

first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it. it's a little annoying to have it unload the Windows skinning engine - changing things to a "classic" look, and then load the WindowBlinds engine, then load the skin. When you go back to a native Windows theme, it has to unload the WindowBlinds engine - changing things back to a "classic" look, then load the Windows skinning engine and then the theme you selected.

second, those talented enough to make a WindowBlinds skin seem to enjoy making the most ugly, horrid interfaces known to man.

there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at. a lot of the people who make a Vista-looking skin for XP put crap in like fake Start Menus that have fake Search boxes. they don't function, but the skin designer thinks its cool to have the XP Start Menu look identical to Vista. why do they do this?

I am glad someone finally said it. Props to you my friend. thumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gif smile.gif
Pas
I'm guessing Xenomorph has never used WB6 and has had very little experience, if any,with WB5.

As for the lack of quality WB skins, I can direct you to numerous quality blinds. There's actually a few quality "msstyles" skins that have been ported to WB format.

Admit it, WB gives a skinner and end-user more options without having to change system files. I used "msstyle" skins when XP first came out, I admit. I'll even admit I purchased StyleXP when it still in beta. I know for a fact that WB is far superior to "msstyles". Now, if you guys who think you have to constantly trash WB in order to make yourself feel "adult" would kindly go to your msstyles threads, we who use WB would appreciate it. smile.gif Have a great day, folks!
Master Shake
Quote - (Xenomorph @ Aug 7 2007, 14:08) *
there are some annoying issues with WindowBlinds.

first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it. it's a little annoying to have it unload the Windows skinning engine - changing things to a "classic" look, and then load the WindowBlinds engine, then load the skin. When you go back to a native Windows theme, it has to unload the WindowBlinds engine - changing things back to a "classic" look, then load the Windows skinning engine and then the theme you selected.

second, those talented enough to make a WindowBlinds skin seem to enjoy making the most ugly, horrid interfaces known to man.

there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at. a lot of the people who make a Vista-looking skin for XP put crap in like fake Start Menus that have fake Search boxes. they don't function, but the skin designer thinks its cool to have the XP Start Menu look identical to Vista. why do they do this?



I agree with you COMPLETELY. I don't think WB is a bad program at all, I used to use wb5 myself. The only theme I could find that I liked was the Vista one, the other ones were all very disgusting. Hopefully that will change with 6 coming out. I really like that you can take msstyles and make them transparent. That looked awesome.
chAos972
Wow, this looks very nice. I might just buy this down the track if they include some decent Vista themes (there aren't many of those around atm).
Island Dog
Quote - (chAos972 @ Aug 8 2007, 01:42) *
Wow, this looks very nice. I might just buy this down the track if they include some decent Vista themes (there aren't many of those around atm).


Isn't there like a gazillion Vista themes out there? biggrin.gif
BoDEAN
So people who use XP will benefit more with this application? From what I'm reading, those with XP use this app to make XP look more like vista. Is there a benefit using this with vista?
Island Dog
The best benefit is you can easily change skins and have the features like adjustable transparency, blurring, colorizing skins, sidebar skinning, and the overall flexibility you will only get with WB. smile.gif

M. Seth
Quote - (Xenomorph @ Aug 7 2007, 13:08) *
there are some annoying issues with WindowBlinds.

first, it doesnt add functionality to the Windows skinning engine, it replaces it. it's a little annoying to have it unload the Windows skinning engine - changing things to a "classic" look, and then load the WindowBlinds engine, then load the skin. When you go back to a native Windows theme, it has to unload the WindowBlinds engine - changing things back to a "classic" look, then load the Windows skinning engine and then the theme you selected.

second, those talented enough to make a WindowBlinds skin seem to enjoy making the most ugly, horrid interfaces known to man.

there are VERY few WindowBlinds skins that are totally usable and pleasant to look at. a lot of the people who make a Vista-looking skin for XP put crap in like fake Start Menus that have fake Search boxes. they don't function, but the skin designer thinks its cool to have the XP Start Menu look identical to Vista. why do they do this?


WB unloads the uxtheme automatically when you apply a theme. All you have to do to get the luna theme back and unload WB is select the luna theme at the front of WB and select apply. It then goes back to luna, loads uxtheme and unloads the wb engine. Very simple. Also, the uxtheme engine is nothing but a stripped down version of wb3.

I direct to to any skin made by KoL, vstyler, JJYing, Code2, adni18, b0se. Those are just some of my favorites.

My take on all msstyles/WB skins. 99% of all the skins out there are crap and not useable. Of the 1% left, 0.5% I might use for a few days to a week. The last 0.5% are the best ones and go into my rotating library for keeps. So far I have a grand total of 15 skins. Thats how picky I am.

Quote - (gizbug @ Aug 8 2007, 08:14) *
So people who use XP will benefit more with this application? From what I'm reading, those with XP use this app to make XP look more like vista. Is there a benefit using this with vista?


People seem to like vista now because it's new and they can get XP to look like it because WB6/WB5 can do PPT now. Remember when OS X came out, there were 100's of msstyles/wb skins that looked like os x. Now you get 1 every so often. Give it a couple of months, it will die down.

For life of god, stop your complaining of the program. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you can't find a good skin, then take a crack at making your own or use the free version skinstudio and convert your favorite msstyle over.

Big pluses for WB5/6:
Use gpu for skinning, less cpu load/ram (mine uses a whopping 750K)
Can do PPT and now blurring
Animated start menus
recoloring of skins/individual parts of skins
LOC
Quote - (Island Dog @ Aug 7 2007, 21:26) *
In your opinion maybe. There are a wide variety of skins for WB that can fit all kinds of styles whether you like bulky, industrial type skins, or maybe just minimal skins with minimal transparency. I would be happy to list links to all my favorite "usable" skins, but I really don't think it would help much.
What "functionality" do you want?
Make sure you have the latest version of Stardock Central installed, then uninstall and reinstall again. If you still have issues please report it to the WB6 feedback thread.

http://forums.wincustomize.com/?forumid=16...=159218&p=5


Yeah it seems when I uninstalled WB5 SDC didn't get rid of all the registry entries. So I rebooted yet again and nuked them myself, then reinstalled WB6 and it loaded fine smile.gif
NienorGT
Why any treads about WB always turn to flame? Damn, there is no adults there?
The tread started about WB6 Beta and now it's upon the again or the for the use of WB and the quality of the themes...
I'm afraid to start a tread about SkinStudio6 Beta that was made available...
M. Seth
Quote - (Nienor @ Aug 8 2007, 21:03) *
Why any treads about WB always turn to flame? Damn, there is no adults there?
The tread started about WB6 Beta and now it's upon the again or the for the use of WB and the quality of the themes...
I'm afraid to start a tread about SkinStudio6 Beta that was made available...


That's what happens here. People on neowin don't understand that WB has come a long way. They have this opinion from using version 3 or 4 and they continue to think that it doen's work right. They also think that the uxtheme is the best when really it is just a stripped down version of wb3.
Echilon
I've been using this for a few days now, and haven't really noticed anything different. Loading times seems about the same, and there are still skinning bugs with Office 2007.
DigitalE
Quote - (gizbug @ Aug 8 2007, 08:14) *
So people who use XP will benefit more with this application? From what I'm reading, those with XP use this app to make XP look more like vista. Is there a benefit using this with vista?

One real advantage of using this on Vista is that you can convert and use XP visual styles smile.gif
-Hiroshi-
Quote - (huskerpat @ Aug 5 2007, 10:28) *
sweet. I added transparent borders to LE 5.1 black. w00t.gif


Whoa!.. That sounds awesome, can you possibly share a screenshot of that in action? PM it if you want.
Naughty Dog
BTW, I thought I saw somewhere on the WB website saying if got WB5 from February and later, you get WB6 free. I'm not sure when I ordered my copy of WB5. I know only that I got the very first version about a week after the release. Do I qualify to get WB 6 free or just buy it with the upgrade discount out of curiosity.
JaLooNz
Anyone knows when the x64 version will be out?
Island Dog
Quote - (-Hiroshi- @ Aug 20 2007, 01:55) *
Whoa!.. That sounds awesome, can you possibly share a screenshot of that in action? PM it if you want.


This is a quick shot a took of LE with some added transparency.




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BTW, I thought I saw somewhere on the WB website saying if got WB5 from February and later, you get WB6 free. I'm not sure when I ordered my copy of WB5. I know only that I got the very first version about a week after the release. Do I qualify to get WB 6 free or just buy it with the upgrade discount out of curiosity.


Correct. Anyone who purchased after February 1st of this year will get the upgrade free, otherwise it will be at a discounted upgrade. If you PM me I can find out when you purchased your copy. smile.gif





Davebo
Quote - (Echilon @ Aug 19 2007, 11:34) *
I've been using this for a few days now, and haven't really noticed anything different. Loading times seems about the same, and there are still skinning bugs with Office 2007.


Bummer- I'm going to stick with my current version, and not purchase WB again until they sort out that problem. I know it's not Stardocks fault, but if they can't fix the glitches associated with Office 2007, then I'm going to have to switch back to VSs for XP. I use Office far to much...
Dirty Dog
Could someone who has Windowblinds 6 and Windows XP, use a Vista-like theme like Aeroglass and post screenshots of the titlebar with the new blur effect enabled, and with it disabled, for comparison so we can see the difference?
Island Dog
This is a quick comparison I made up with default settings.

Click to view attachment
martin10018
Quote - (Island Dog @ Aug 22 2007, 20:02) *
This is a quick comparison I made up with default settings.

What Vista-lookalike are you using?
Island Dog
This one.

http://flahorn.deviantart.com/art/Jadaero-1-4-56867320

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martin10018
Quote - (Island Dog @ Aug 22 2007, 22:14) *

Thanks!
Dirty Dog
Any chance you could show the left hand side of the titlebar so I can see how it affects the text? wink.gif I think the biggest difference between Vista themes in XP, and the real Vista, is the readability of the titlebar text, which in XP can get a bit 'lost' against the background. In Vista it has a sort of white glow around titlebar text to fix this. I am wondering if WB6 incorporates a similar effect, or if not, whether the new blurring effect will help to improve titlebar text readability.

Vista: note the white glow around the text


Windowblinds 5.5, Windows XP, Aeroglass theme


Note how the text in the active window is completely lost against the text underneath it. I would love to know whether WB6 has fixed this before I pay out for it. If they do the same as they did with WB5.x, the trial version which they will release in future will not have per pixel capabilities so the only way to find out will be to buy it.
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