won this item last night for £175. seems to good to be true!! is it?
Canon EOS 30D 8.2MP Digital SLR Camera Kit
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=019
Full Version: good deal or con?
Not sure.. it does seem suspicious though:
- only 1 feedback (none for selling)
- they are in the US, with the item in HK (why would you sell something in a different country?)
- only 1 feedback (none for selling)
- they are in the US, with the item in HK (why would you sell something in a different country?)
Hmm, hard to say, the price does seem too good to be true especially for a kit package and in new condition.
However sine he only has 1 feedback, it is very suspicious, but you did bid on it and won, you are obliged to pay for it now. A rule of thumb for me is to never bid on something expensive, especially if it's a REAL good deal from people with few feedback.
Basically you can change your mind and not pay for it but you will probably get a bad feedback and whatever other penalty there is for not paying if there is one... or you can pay for it and possibly get ripped off.
However sine he only has 1 feedback, it is very suspicious, but you did bid on it and won, you are obliged to pay for it now. A rule of thumb for me is to never bid on something expensive, especially if it's a REAL good deal from people with few feedback.
Basically you can change your mind and not pay for it but you will probably get a bad feedback and whatever other penalty there is for not paying if there is one... or you can pay for it and possibly get ripped off.
How much is that in USD?
Anyways, personally I think China is like the biggest sellers of bootleg items. All the pictures shown are "technical" pics you could pull from google or somewhere similar. I would have liked to seen actual pics of the item.
What's his payment method? I don't see anything there...
Anyways, personally I think China is like the biggest sellers of bootleg items. All the pictures shown are "technical" pics you could pull from google or somewhere similar. I would have liked to seen actual pics of the item.
What's his payment method? I don't see anything there...
thats the thing, payments details as follows, obvioulsuy ive edited it with x's!!
Dear friend:
Congratulation! You are the winning buyer for our merchandise. Thank you for your purchase!Goods expense EUR256.55,Transport expense EUR37.50,Total EUR294.05. You may choose following payment method:
1. Wire transfer
Bank name:Bank of China HENAN NanYang branch
Address: NO.129.QIYI ROAD .xxxx CHINA
A/C holder's name: JINGUI xxx
A/C No.: xxxxxx--xxxxx--xxxxx
SWIFT code: xxxxxxx
2£¬Money gram
My first name is: xxxx
My last name is: xxxx
City: HENAN
Country: China
Post code: 473001
Address: NanYang HENAN xxxx China.
When we check and accept your remittance, we will use the UPS to deliver the item to you, you will accept the item in 3-5 day
Dear friend:
Congratulation! You are the winning buyer for our merchandise. Thank you for your purchase!Goods expense EUR256.55,Transport expense EUR37.50,Total EUR294.05. You may choose following payment method:
1. Wire transfer
Bank name:Bank of China HENAN NanYang branch
Address: NO.129.QIYI ROAD .xxxx CHINA
A/C holder's name: JINGUI xxx
A/C No.: xxxxxx--xxxxx--xxxxx
SWIFT code: xxxxxxx
2£¬Money gram
My first name is: xxxx
My last name is: xxxx
City: HENAN
Country: China
Post code: 473001
Address: NanYang HENAN xxxx China.
When we check and accept your remittance, we will use the UPS to deliver the item to you, you will accept the item in 3-5 day
sounds fishy to me.
but i'm too paranoid to even touch ebay
but i'm too paranoid to even touch ebay
gonna call my bank this arvo and see what fraud security they offer before i buy. will email the seller to see why he dont take paypal!!
Item location: HK, Hong Kong
That, right there will make me prevent bidding because:
1)stuff from that location can always be fake item or no item since it can get lost at custom office (ebay is filled with alot scam items, i recently read that those memory cards are the most popular fake items where you buy a Sandisk inwhich what you get is a dirt cheap card that copys files very slow and they only applied a Sandisk sticker on there item to give it a real effect to it)
2)it might be a scam
3) you have no protection when you use paypal:
....EDIT: After seeing your post about him not using paypal is also a scam. When you sead him a wire transfer, there is no proof that you send any kind of money along with that once he claims the money you cant get it back if there a problem. These sites should help:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accept...nts-policy.html (read the Not permitted on eBay.com part)
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/ques...void-fraud.html and http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-tips.html (read What to avoid)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/make...asktheag09.html
If you search google for scams reguarding wire transfers and money grams you will be amazed on how people force people to fall into this
That, right there will make me prevent bidding because:
1)stuff from that location can always be fake item or no item since it can get lost at custom office (ebay is filled with alot scam items, i recently read that those memory cards are the most popular fake items where you buy a Sandisk inwhich what you get is a dirt cheap card that copys files very slow and they only applied a Sandisk sticker on there item to give it a real effect to it)
2)it might be a scam
3) you have no protection when you use paypal:
....EDIT: After seeing your post about him not using paypal is also a scam. When you sead him a wire transfer, there is no proof that you send any kind of money along with that once he claims the money you cant get it back if there a problem. These sites should help:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accept...nts-policy.html (read the Not permitted on eBay.com part)
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/ques...void-fraud.html and http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-tips.html (read What to avoid)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/make...asktheag09.html
If you search google for scams reguarding wire transfers and money grams you will be amazed on how people force people to fall into this
thanks Shof, will look into that at lunch
I would say it's a con, and suspect the account has been hacked.
I think this because the owner of that account, patch_stewart, registered as being in the US, bought a mobile phone that was also in the US, and then this item is in Hong Kong - but the seller is asking for the money to be sent to the Henan province in China?
Hmmm no, seems too fishy to me. Personally, I'd report him to eBay, and refuse to continue the transaction.
I think this because the owner of that account, patch_stewart, registered as being in the US, bought a mobile phone that was also in the US, and then this item is in Hong Kong - but the seller is asking for the money to be sent to the Henan province in China?
Hmmm no, seems too fishy to me. Personally, I'd report him to eBay, and refuse to continue the transaction.
ok, i sent him an email :
Hi, Can i ask why you dont accept paypal? You have no feedback, and as such i have nothing to go on! also, i have no Buyer protection on eBay doing it this way! Dont get me wrong, i do still want the camera, but im apprehensive. can you not quickly set up a paypal account (which would take 5 mins max) and i could pay that way?
His response:
Thanks your mail,
The goods already packed for you perfectly, placed in the initial box! We have the return policy! But, the paypal very is difficult in China to handle now! I am unable to confirm your payment! Therefore, I recommend you to use the bank to transfer accounts with the Money gram! Because their similar safety is fast! Therefore, brings inconveniently to you, please forgive!
I take our prestige to make the guarantee, confirmed in me your payment latter 3-5 day, the goods can arrive your country smoothly! Asks you to believe me not to be able for our this transaction, But receives EBAY the punishment!
If cannot attain the project in 3-5 day you, you also can through EBAY and our country's police relation! Therefore, deceives you is the stupid behavior!
The hope and you have the good business in EBAY! The hope receives your mail!
Hi, Can i ask why you dont accept paypal? You have no feedback, and as such i have nothing to go on! also, i have no Buyer protection on eBay doing it this way! Dont get me wrong, i do still want the camera, but im apprehensive. can you not quickly set up a paypal account (which would take 5 mins max) and i could pay that way?
His response:
Thanks your mail,
The goods already packed for you perfectly, placed in the initial box! We have the return policy! But, the paypal very is difficult in China to handle now! I am unable to confirm your payment! Therefore, I recommend you to use the bank to transfer accounts with the Money gram! Because their similar safety is fast! Therefore, brings inconveniently to you, please forgive!
I take our prestige to make the guarantee, confirmed in me your payment latter 3-5 day, the goods can arrive your country smoothly! Asks you to believe me not to be able for our this transaction, But receives EBAY the punishment!
If cannot attain the project in 3-5 day you, you also can through EBAY and our country's police relation! Therefore, deceives you is the stupid behavior!
The hope and you have the good business in EBAY! The hope receives your mail!
We all agree that the 30D will get better price with the new 40D, but not that low 
Moneygram is banned in eBay. If you want to back out of this transaction, forward that payment request email to eBay, they'll whip out the banstick and remove negative feedback if any was given.
damn i dont know what to do!
Quote - (rageagainstmachine @ Aug 24 2007, 12:37) 
damn i dont know what to do!
Do not continue the sale. Report him to eBay, send them copies of all emails, and they will take appropriate action.
Sorry, but just remember - if something looks too good to be true, it normally is. I would have serious, SERIOUS resevervations about dealing with this guy.
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ye im slightly nervous about the whole thing! his other payment method "wire transfers" is permitted on ebay tho! have i any comeback if i receive no goods after i pay?
I say it's a con and isn't worth the risk.
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
Quote - (Lt-DavidW @ Aug 24 2007, 12:52)
I say it's a con and isn't worth the risk.
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
good one. i have done that. awaiting response.
Quote - (Lt-DavidW @ Aug 24 2007, 07:52)
I say it's a con and isn't worth the risk.
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
If you are still not sure, do as rpger81 suggested and ask for actual photos of your camera. I'd also ask for the serial number of the camera and check it's validity with Canon if you can. You will know it's a con when you get his reply, which will go something like, "but it's already packed and waiting for me to send now!"
Ya, if he cant provide you actual photos of a the camera plus serial number then chances are it is a scam. Then again, it might me his own camera inwhich he then sends nothing and your stuck
he sold 4 or 5 of these on ebay at the same time, give or take a few minutes
If he does provide you with a serial number, Google it to make sure that is not where he got it from!
Definitely a con.
As has been stated, MoneyGram (and other WesternUnion type wire services) are not allowed on ebay, he should ask for valid methods of payment if he wants to trade on ebay. Just forward the email he sent you to ebay and forget about it.
As has been stated, MoneyGram (and other WesternUnion type wire services) are not allowed on ebay, he should ask for valid methods of payment if he wants to trade on ebay. Just forward the email he sent you to ebay and forget about it.
How could you even think this is NOT a con? It has all the classic signs!
follow the rules and get him banned, its better than possibly losing your money
still no repsone from the "serial number and pics email" i sent him. must be a scam!! will give him the benefit of the doubt until lunch time tomorrow because of the time difference, then i will report him. thanks for all your advice on this one. appreciated.
I hope the other four winners of his auctions do not fall for this either. Perhaps you should contact them?
Just noticed the biggest flaw in this whole scam! he said to me he has no paypal becuase its apparently hard to set up in china, or words to that effect.
however, that one item he has sold, i.e the mobile phone.... yup you guessed it, he offered paypal as a paymenet method for that!!!
Im reporting him right now.
**** edit****
thats actually somthing he has bought! damn!
Lt-DavidW, they were all private acutions i believe.
however, that one item he has sold, i.e the mobile phone.... yup you guessed it, he offered paypal as a paymenet method for that!!!
Im reporting him right now.
**** edit****
thats actually somthing he has bought! damn!
Lt-DavidW, they were all private acutions i believe.
he just reponded to that email from yesterday:
"Oh,
was sorry that, has delayed to your reply! Because the present is the weekend, I and my children are camping! Asks you to forgive!
OK! I can deliver you the photograph and the photographic camera number! But, must wait till Monday me to the office! Because, these materials all deposit in the company!
Is weekend happy."
i'll wait to see what he comes back with on monday! whats to stop him taking going to a shop and taking a serial number from a camera in there?
"Oh,
was sorry that, has delayed to your reply! Because the present is the weekend, I and my children are camping! Asks you to forgive!
OK! I can deliver you the photograph and the photographic camera number! But, must wait till Monday me to the office! Because, these materials all deposit in the company!
Is weekend happy."
i'll wait to see what he comes back with on monday! whats to stop him taking going to a shop and taking a serial number from a camera in there?
This is definitely a scam mate, report him NOW if you haven't already.
Do not persue this further.
Do not persue this further.
Well considering he didn't specify Moneygram as a payment method in the description and it is against eBay policy then it absolves you of your obligation to go through with the transaction.
With this many people telling your that it's most certainly a scam, I would hope you take the advice and report him as a scammer.
Asides he posted false information. His profile lists him living in the US, but the email he sent you says for you to send the payment to china where his "office" is. Either its a lie or he has one hell of a commute to work and back.
With this many people telling your that it's most certainly a scam, I would hope you take the advice and report him as a scammer.
Asides he posted false information. His profile lists him living in the US, but the email he sent you says for you to send the payment to china where his "office" is. Either its a lie or he has one hell of a commute to work and back.
ok, i reported him on the grounds he was requesting paymenet through money gram.
Sorry for going on about this again! but the guy has sent me pics! his email below.
Hello,
I ask for instructions the leadership, they only agreed I deliver you the photograph! Because, each camera number and security beautiful, only can inquire one time! Only then confirmed after me your payment, I can give you the camera the number and security beautiful! Sends out the goods after you! we also can give you the goods the path numeral, facilitates your inquiry!
The hope can complete the transaction smoothly with you! Anticipates your news!
Enclosed our product photograph
more
more
Hello,
I ask for instructions the leadership, they only agreed I deliver you the photograph! Because, each camera number and security beautiful, only can inquire one time! Only then confirmed after me your payment, I can give you the camera the number and security beautiful! Sends out the goods after you! we also can give you the goods the path numeral, facilitates your inquiry!
The hope can complete the transaction smoothly with you! Anticipates your news!
Enclosed our product photograph
more
more
Those pictures are all very well and good but they are very professional and could easily be from some promotional material or from a web review site, Why not ask him to take a pic with your name on a piece of card infront of the camera?
Quote - (well... @ Aug 27 2007, 10:29)
Those pictures are all very well and good but they are very professional and could easily be from some promotional material or from a web review site, Why not ask him to take a pic with your name on a piece of card infront of the camera?
i did think about that. if only i new chinese, then i could read that business card!!
Im sure we have at least one chinese member. Anyone?
Good you didn't get it!.
Ask him to take a few pictures with it lol.
Ask him to take a few pictures with it lol.
Quote - (rageagainstmachine @ Aug 27 2007, 13:19)
GOD!! AHAHA
I already reported him the other day anyway! so its in the hands of ebay!
Quote - (rageagainstmachine @ Aug 27 2007, 13:19)
Don't tell me you seriously thought that at the time he sent you those photos there was still a chance he may have been genuine?
was living in hope yes!!! :-)
deep down i knew!
deep down i knew!
Um!! the guy is offering to send the camera first ...then i pay!!! this was after I told him i had reported him to ebay and that i thought this was a scam. he asked me to believe he is honest, etc (as you would expect from a conman) but surely, if hes willing to send the camera first, im laughing...no?
last correspondence....
Him:
Hello,
Asks you to believe I am the honest sales clerk! These photographs are our company's regular products! Therefore, our photograph can with the Internet above be consistent! These all are the regular products! If you thought this is the unsafe transaction, I request the leader agreement! Asks you to pay half goods first the expense! We transmit the project to you! But, accepts the goods after you, please immediate payment goods another half expense! Otherwise, we will sue you in EBAY! And invites me attorney and you converses!
You think like this? Anticipates your news! Regards
ME:
You'll sue me?! i dont think so pal! i have already reported this to ebay on the grounds your requesting disallowed payment requests. Its in ebay's hands now. Also, i don't fully understand your email! I have even had another buyer emailing me telling me he doesnt feel safe sending you money. Too many things dont add up. For a start, your registered as a US member, but your in china!
Regards,
HIM:
You misunderstood my meaning! My meaning is: I first transmit the project to you! Then you pay my goods the money! If will receive my cargo after you, you do not deliver me the money, I will sue you in EBAY!!Thus, is the project which sells to me is a best proof!
last correspondence....
Him:
Hello,
Asks you to believe I am the honest sales clerk! These photographs are our company's regular products! Therefore, our photograph can with the Internet above be consistent! These all are the regular products! If you thought this is the unsafe transaction, I request the leader agreement! Asks you to pay half goods first the expense! We transmit the project to you! But, accepts the goods after you, please immediate payment goods another half expense! Otherwise, we will sue you in EBAY! And invites me attorney and you converses!
You think like this? Anticipates your news! Regards
ME:
You'll sue me?! i dont think so pal! i have already reported this to ebay on the grounds your requesting disallowed payment requests. Its in ebay's hands now. Also, i don't fully understand your email! I have even had another buyer emailing me telling me he doesnt feel safe sending you money. Too many things dont add up. For a start, your registered as a US member, but your in china!
Regards,
HIM:
You misunderstood my meaning! My meaning is: I first transmit the project to you! Then you pay my goods the money! If will receive my cargo after you, you do not deliver me the money, I will sue you in EBAY!!Thus, is the project which sells to me is a best proof!
no one got any opinions on the latest correspondence?
well if he's gonna send you the camera without any kind of payment.. what do you need an opinion for? just accept the camera...lol
Why would anyone do that!! this guy must be daft!
I wouldn't deal with somebody I couldn't correspond clearly with. Sorry, he may be honest and all, but it's much harder to tell when he can't even use proper English. I wouldn't do it. Chances are he's just trying to get your information to further scam you.
If he's offering to send the camera without any payment. Accept it. If he sends you one send the money. Deal is done.
yup, Thats probably what i'll do. just wondering if anyone knows of any "replica" canon e30d cameras?
Sounds to me like he's offering to send the camera once you pay HALF of the agreed price. Seriously, you have to know that this is a con now - the unrealistically low price, the transaction method, the fake photos...
If you go along with this any further you may get yourself into possible trouble with eBay themselves. If for example he sends you a replica, then you will have to pay for it, and eBay will refuse to help you as you took the matter into your own hands - and I wouldn't blame them. A conman is not going to send you something for nothing, so please let go of this strand of hope and bury this whole thing before you do something you'll only end up regretting.
If you go along with this any further you may get yourself into possible trouble with eBay themselves. If for example he sends you a replica, then you will have to pay for it, and eBay will refuse to help you as you took the matter into your own hands - and I wouldn't blame them. A conman is not going to send you something for nothing, so please let go of this strand of hope and bury this whole thing before you do something you'll only end up regretting.
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