People that are installing OSX on unsupported platforms are going to have alot of issues, then turn around and blame the OS

i can see alot of " OSX sux because it keeps crashing on my AMD64 w/512 DDR "

only saying this because there are already what 3 or 4 threads of people not beign able to get stuff installed properly or askign how to work the OSX86 project ( even though there are probably tutorials on the site

As it is illegal, I am amazed such sites even exist without gaining the attention of Apple's lawyers.

fully agree with you there, leave OSX on Apple hardware people

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=639781

I think people have a right though to give their views, Apple software is made by Apple for Apple hardware and putting it on randomly configured computers is a sure recipe for disaster.

yes im fully aware of that thread and still won't condone to individuals who seek to force OSX to work on non-Apple Hardware.
get a bloody mac or stay away from OSX, the EULA is set in place for specific reasons.

yeah, just look at the configuration issues and driver issues that can happen on a windows machine because its been designed to support so many things....

Yeah, I have to agree here, but I can see why Neowin would permit this discussion. I don't know if I'm the only one, but all this OSx86 discussion is really making me want to save up my money for a Mac

geh after I build my rig I'm opting for a Macbook Pro

I tried this OSx86 mess and I've had no success. It's just not worth the attention.

So you mean people will realize why Macs "just work" and why Windows Vista is "the devil" - that Apple completely controls the hardware that it allows its OS to run on?

Don't see the problem.

thats it, im running OSX on my PSP

yep... the only way Apple could stop this from happening now is if they actually make their own hardware instead of using PCs

this is humanity, they wont see that, they will blame the OS because " Windows works on it, why cant OSX"

I don't know why you people are crying about other people running hackintosh. Maybe the PC people should cry that you can run Windows on your Mac.

As always a one sided argument. Then again look at your history as Mac OS was based off of FreeBSD which is X86 Apple designed the GUI and modified an open source OS to get its product so stop the ignorance and I don't even run a hackintosh.

If people want to install osx on thier pcs... why not... I think its interesting! Certainly poses a challenge and teaches you a lot along the way.

Don't think people with macs should whine about it. Let people use it... if they like the OS enough they'll move to apple.. theres only so many patches and stuff u can run before you get fed up and just move onto the real thing.

I've used osx86 before and now i'm using a macbook (no way or form am I a switcher or a mac head eww)... I think it only helps apple...!

why? I don't see any reason to oppose other than "now everyone can run OSX and don't have to be able to afford a mac"

I run OSX on a PC for fun off of a USB hard drive. It is fun to poke around in (and I own a Macbook and Powerbook). If you don't want to see the threads, though, encourage people not to reply.

Realize that Apple is helpless in stopping people. I don't condone piracy, but it's not as if it will suddenly stop because of a company.

That's true. OSx86 is by no means usable on a permanent basis, and it is perhaps fair to say that it has and will encourage people to buy the genuine article.

It is not illegal; Thats why these sites exist and Apple's lawyers can't do ****.


Put a sock in it...

as far as its legalese, i dont think any EULA has ever held up in court

I suggest a much more drastic measure - take the TPM chip that is being used in every Mac into good use - when a pirated copy is detected, format all the drives.

**** the pirates.

that wouldnt do anything, its not OSX beign pirated, how its done is the OSX86 emulates EFI ( my understanding ) and fools OSX into thinking the installed hardware is a legit Mac

Then simply move into the Windows style online activation - since every Mac has a distinct serial number making a database should be a trivial task. then the little pirates could no longer hide behind the "EULA" as they would be forced to reverse engineer and patch the activation system.

I find it humorous how people come and tell me "Yeah I run hackintosh i bought leopard yayayaya" only to see them brag on another thread how they warezed it from Mininova or Piratebay. Yeah I bet you guys all bought it. I believe that, completely. I bet you also have 5 macbook pros and a few mac pros at your desk, you're just running hackintosh "for fun".

i just realized i spelled the thread title wrong

If people want to install OsX on their hardware I would let them do it. I dont see one reason for Apple to "stop" or "forbid" people to install their OS on other hardware. Will it work out of the box as on Mac hardware? Most likely not, but some people do it as a challenge, a side project. I've install multiple OS's over different hardware and I dont see a reason not to do it with Apple's OS, if that is what I want to do.
And If I make it work good for me.
These kind of requests from people are just so irritating and obnoxious. Let people do what they want to do, after all they've paid for the OS. As long as I am concerned they can microwave their disk if they want, and it wont hurt my feelings.

Seriously you want WGA style functionality in OS/X?

Bad, bad idea.

The legality of EULA's is questionable, especially outside the United States. Formatting someone's disks, however, is much more universally frowned-upon (can be classified as anything from vandalism on up to malicious unauthorized intrusion, which carries up to a life sentence in the US) and could hurt Apple badly if it destroyed the wrong kind of data or even just the wrong person's data.

personally i dont mind activation in windows ( when it actually is able to contact the servers/works)

and i think the Psudo-Activation is already in OSX through the register function when first installing OSX

If it helps to stop these freeloaders? Bring it on.

I don't think Apple sue even companies like Psystar because they are curious as to what could happen with OSX86. It could be a viral revolution against Windows. You never know.

because they suck, everybody knows nobody reads them, and prosecuting your potential customers it's something companies usually dont do. except for the music industry, but we all know how deep that ship will sink

I have no issues with WGA (and never have I), but I thought the number of people complaining about this in the Windows world would dissuade the Apple crowd....

true, but making OSX support the vast array ( i wont deny it ) of hardware that windows supports, it will ( highly probable ) lead the the same issues of windows as far as stability, unless apple makes all the drivers themselves instead of the windows route of hardware vendors making the drivers. ( i think apple makes the drivers for the hardware in their machines, not fully shure )

As I mentioned in our announcement, Apple does not even remove discussions from their own servers: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1282871


I'll fix that.

You forgot to notice that: This topic is locked - replies are not allowed.

It was locked even if it wasn't deleted.

they barely go in there as it is

They really don't have a legal leg to stand on to sue Psystar and hope to win. The best they can do is keep suing until they run out of cash.

Wait until people start putting the EFI code in firmware so that Apple can't tell the difference between an OSX86 and Mac. Now that will be entertaining.

Also, on a side note, could the people that "know everyone is pirating OSX" please use their amazing psychic powers and email me next week's lottery numbers? I'll buy a mac with the winnings.

Except it won't. WGA has been cracked six ways 'til Sunday and it doesn't stop anyone anymore.

I have my G5 and OS X runs beautifully on it, but I don't have a problem with someone going into an Apple store, buying a retail copy of Leopard off the shelf, and running it on whatever hardware they want. EULAs never meant anything to me personally and as far as I'm concerned, so long as the software has been paid for and the hardware has been paid for, if someone can get them working together then more power to 'em. Apple's been paid for the software, the hardware manufacturer's been paid for the hardware, and making them work together is the same kind of feat that made geeks legends in the '80s - a hack, by the original definition.

Now, I completely agree that Apple should not be forced to provide service for unofficial/Hackintosh installs if they don't want to. I also agree that the negative reviews from people who run OSX86 should be ignored or treated with lesser regard than those reviews given by people running Apple hardware. However, Apple (or any other company for that matter) has no business telling people how to use the product they paid for once they pay for it. Call it a "license," call it whatever you want, I don't care. I bought the product, it's now mine, gityergoddamnhandsoff.

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buy me a MacPro to go with my Macbook Pro please

I hope this thread dies...

You should not care what people do in their homes specifically something as insignificant as a software install

your lives are jokes if you think this hard about something so simple

boohoo grow up

No problemo. I'll use the rest of the money to buy my local Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack franchise.

+1

Seriously who gives a flying f**k what people do with the software and hardware they purchase? How the HELL will it effect anyone other than themselves. Seriously grow brains people and stop getting worked up over this, who cares? If you don't like it, don't read the threads, SIMPLE!

I hope Apple keeps ignoring Hackintosh installs so I don't have to deal with bull**** like WGA.

"then turn around and blame the OS"

Utter rubbish, most people know exactly what they're getting into when they decide to try installing osx86.

Like MS, Apple would fail at OSX anti-piracy measures...it does nothing, but bug legit users.

Nothing's going to be 100% compatible with OSX86 so its a waste of time.
The only reason I see apple allowing such things to happen is maybe because they want people to look at the OS, try it out, see it doesnt work with their windows laptop and then buy a mac... but it could also make "other people" say osx sucks... which is just stupid, because you're hacking it to work on a computer which isnt a mac

And nothing made for Windows is going to be 100% compatible on a Windows on a Mac machine.

See? Its the same thing.

Give the fact the the Mac Pro's and new Macbook Pro's doe not even have a TPM chip that would not do much good. The new rips are based off of the Mac Pro DVD. Even at that a lot of new motherboard have the same TPM chip on board. Hell my Hackintosh works better that my real IMac.

It should be illegal for Apple to be able to sell a product then make somebody agree to a contract that does not let them use the product before they can use the product...

I don't think people are that stupid, though. Installing OSX on non-Apple hardware is clearly a hack and is never going to work perfectly. If anything it is doing Apple a favour because people can see the potential of the OS but it doesn't work properly, so they are more likely to open their wallet for Apple hardware (which is where they really make their money).

I personally think Apple know this which is why they won't make a huge effort to stop it. Same reason they recently took the activation crap out of their expensive software Logic Pro.


For a start, nobody is talking about pirates so your last sentence is unnecessary. If they put such a capability in the software there would be an uproar. Does anybody remember when cracked copies of Stardock's Windowblinds suddenly stopped working one day (rendering the whole machine inoperable for some people)? There was an uproar, and not just from the people with cracked copies.