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Carloke
Hello

At the Windows D6 Conference website there is a video that shows Julie Larson-Green demonstrating some Windows 7 Multi-Touch features.:
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This video is only viewable there and I can't find it anywhere else. I would like to download this video so I can store it at my PC for looking back later and saying "Wauw, that was the first view of Windows 7" blush.gif
Is there any way tho download this video? I already looked into the source code but I can't find anything that takes me back to a download link.

Thanks in advance.
Carl
SHoTTa35
you probably gotta use one of those flash video downloaders or something.

thanks for the vid.
BeLGaRaTh
http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/d5/unsecure...mp;affiliateId=

If you want to download the video.
RobertH
Looks cool.
kyro
interesting. but will it blend?
Carloke
Really big thanks +BeLGaRaTh w00t.gif

The video itself is actually pretty nice and pretty funny when Walt asks about the new taskbar and she said she can't talk about it laugh.gif On the other side pretty sad cause I would've like to know more about it. Hopefully we'll see some more demo's at Tech-Ed coming next week smile.gif .
jjrambo
Already invented and implemented by Apple in iTouch. I found it useless...To be honest i don't want to see my screen dirty.
smooth3006
im not overly impressed with the new touch screen stuff myself. im not going to go out and buy a special monitor or laptop to utilize it either. hopefully they will have alot more features than just this in windows 7. im not digging the new taskbar look either, i know it's just in the beginning stages but i hope it changes.

i also agree with the above poster, im not gonna be cleaning my pc screen every 5 minutes from finger prints and smudges. no.gif
EduardValencia
Wow this video clears very much how's the concept,thanks for the video,i like multitouch technology,Love it biggrin.gif
Carloke
I've just took a big screenshot of the video. It's pretty bad quality but you can still see the new taskbar pretty well:

Vista
Jesus, I was embarrassed just looking at that woman using her hand to zoom in and move those pictures. What a b*llsh*t.

I can do everything she did with my mouse, only faster and more precise.

I won't have to touch my monitor with my fingers and my eyes won't bleed to death because I sit too close to the screen.

Microsoft is really f*cking things up nowadays.
EduardValencia
lol she's not supposed to talk about the taskbar ROFL laugh.gif
WooSH
honestly, i hate fanboy of both apple or microsoft (seems there are more of apple ones these days) but anyways it seems that apple is far ahead in terms of perfecting this technology. I understand that this is only in the VERY early stages of Windows 7, Apple has already included this in the iPhone and is looking forward to releasing a tablet pc (rumors state) with the same technology. IMHO, the whole lagging thing seen in paint and when you drag the photos turns me off.

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Evolution
Well multi-touch certainly wasn't invented by Apple..... Having a touch screen would be nice, but it seems awkward if you're using the traditional LCD + Keyboard setup for a desktop.... LCDs would have to be always at an angle for proper use.

Hopefully Microsoft is working with the OEMs and monitor companies to have everything work together.
EduardValencia
Quote - (.statix @ May 29 2008, 14:46) *
honestly, i hate fanboy of both apple or microsoft (seems there are more of apple ones these days) but anyways it seems that apple is far ahead in terms of perfecting this technology. I understand that this is only in the VERY early stages of Windows 7, Apple has already included this in the iPhone and is looking forward to releasing a tablet pc (rumors state) with the same technology. IMHO, the whole lagging thing seen in paint and when you drag the photos turns me off.

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Microsft has been working in this technology long time befor windows 7,this tech comes from MS surface,at least 2 years they've been working on this
jjrambo
This technology makes sense to use it on holograph type of pictures, like no real physical screen, otherwise it's waste of time.
Anaron
Quote - (jjrambo @ May 29 2008, 15:49) *
This technology makes sense to use it on holograph type of pictures, like no real physical screen, otherwise it's waste of time.

I think we're a few decades away from that kind of technology. Surface technology like the one presented in the video is great with the technology we have now.
GreyWolfSC
Quote - (jjrambo @ May 29 2008, 15:37) *
Already invented and implemented by Apple in iTouch. I found it useless...To be honest i don't want to see my screen dirty.


Yes, we know. Apple did everything first, including monopolizing operating systems. rolleyes.gif

Quote - (jjrambo @ May 29 2008, 15:49) *
This technology makes sense to use it on holograph type of pictures, like no real physical screen, otherwise it's waste of time.



Really? I suppose you haven't seen he demos of people playing Warcraft (the RTS, not MMO) on a surface PC? It's exactly the way the game should have been originally. smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O1bTNbbWk4
M.F.D.K
What's the deal with some of you moaning about multi-touch..! You don't like it than don't use it. If they made Win7 Multi-touch only then I would be ****ed of. As long as I can still use the mouse and keyboard then I have no problem with them implementing their Multi-touch in Win7. Your not being forced to use multi-touch so that's good, but it doesn't hurt to have it if you ever change your mind about getting away from the traditional mouse and keyboard.
jjrambo
Quote - (M.F.D.K @ May 29 2008, 20:05) *
What's the deal with some of you moaning about multi-touch..! You don't like it than don't use it. If they made Win7 Multi-touch only then I would be ****ed of. As long as I can still use the mouse and keyboard then I have no problem with them implementing their Multi-touch in Win7. Your not being forced to use multi-touch so that's good, but it doesn't hurt to have it if you ever change your mind about getting away from the traditional mouse and keyboard.


Agree. I see this widely used in Windows 7 Mobile version or for Table PC. For desktop or laptop, that features goes disabled here.

lord_xenos
Quote - (Vista @ May 29 2008, 15:45) *
Jesus, I was embarrassed just looking at that woman using her hand to zoom in and move those pictures. What a b*llsh*t.

I can do everything she did with my mouse, only faster and more precise.

I won't have to touch my monitor with my fingers and my eyes won't bleed to death because I sit too close to the screen.

Microsoft is really f*cking things up nowadays.

How can you say MS is screwing things up? This is awesome technology. There is no way you can manipulate an image the same wy she was doing on the fly with today's technology. Think about more than just yourself, but of all the possibilities of this technology. Look through these concept ideas and say that this is not an excellent innovation. It's not like you will be restricted to the touch screen; you can still use the mouse and keyboard as you are used to.

How can you say MS is screwing up "nowadays" when your display name is "Vista"?
Doom1468
I doubt I'd use any of this, but it's good to have the option of still using mouse and keyboard so no problem.
The taskbar is ugly, though. Microsoft had a professional look in Longhorn (Aero, anyway), and Vista was slightly less professional but still nice looking.

They need to bring back the integrated technologies from Longhorn such as Sidebar, WinFS and the look wouldn't hurt either, it was very professional.
.Reo
The way I have my iMac setup multi-touch wouldn't make real sense. Nobody likes to stretch their arms in front of them in order to operate their screen. My arms aren't even long enough to reach every part of the screen when sitting in my chair. laugh.gif However it would be real nice to have a keyboard that allows you to make all these advanced gestures on its surface, which are then translated on the main screen. thumbs_up.gif

I also have to agree with some of the people here: It's a bit of a pain that the screen becomes really dirty when touching it frequently. I get it all the time with my iPod touch. It's easy to wipe clean such a small screen, but not so much on a desktop-sized panel. hmm.gif

In any case it's good to see companies actively working on this.
dhan
Quote - (jjrambo @ May 29 2008, 15:37) *
Already licensed and bought by Apple in iTouch. I found it useless...To be honest i don't want to see my screen dirty.

There...fixed that for you. wink.gif
GP007
I read many of you saying this is useless for your desktop and w/e, but you're really missing the point here. Windows7, and this technology itself isn't going to be limited to just the desktop we all know and use today. You guys have to keep an open mind and try to think ahead for once.

This works great for tabletPCs, and any Surface type devices be it tables or in the future whole walls etc. Hell even in Windows terminal/thin client kiosk type setups this comes into play.
warwagon
Quote - (Vista @ May 29 2008, 20:45) *
Jesus, I was embarrassed just looking at that woman using her hand to zoom in and move those pictures. What a b*llsh*t.

I can do everything she did with my mouse, only faster and more precise.

I won't have to touch my monitor with my fingers and my eyes won't bleed to death because I sit too close to the screen.

Microsoft is really f*cking things up nowadays.


i'm going to guess your a vista hater
Primexx
gotta love the use of Dell XTs which nobody could afford.
lord_xenos
Quote - (Primexx @ May 30 2008, 23:37) *
gotta love the use of Dell XTs which nobody could afford.

But it's available today!!! Imagine that, a PC available now that can run a future OS...Sounds like the same "Vista Capable" bull****.

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I read many of you saying this is useless for your desktop and w/e, but you're really missing the point here. Windows7, and this technology itself isn't going to be limited to just the desktop we all know and use today. You guys have to keep an open mind and try to think ahead for once.

This works great for tabletPCs, and any Surface type devices be it tables or in the future whole walls etc. Hell even in Windows terminal/thin client kiosk type setups this comes into play.

Thankfully there are still some forward thinkers still left with their own open-minds, although in the minority.
SomeManOnTheInternet
Hmm... The mysterious task bar got me curious.
dlegend
The ones also complaining about multi-touch also gotta realize that this opens doors to many businesses that want applications easy to use for the customers. There is all sorts of uses for multi-touch -- stores, casinos, etc... Anything where users can give feedback or process things using multi-touch is a lot easier than sitting down and having to type on a keyboard and use a mouse. This way they can stand up and just press some buttons. Making the tech available to the public only helps further develop the uses for the technology.
zerologic
Quote - (EduardValencia @ May 30 2008, 06:15) *
lol she's not supposed to talk about the taskbar ROFL laugh.gif


laugh.gif That was an awkward moment.

The Taskbar looks bad ATM anyway. I really hope to see Microsoft doing something cool with it.

Quote - (warwagon @ May 31 2008, 11:07) *
i'm going to guess your a vista hater


He may have a point. I'm darn sure I can work a lot faster with my mouse and keyboard than with my fingers on a touch screen.
Eww sick.gif and imagine trying to use the PC for playing a game after you just dragged and resized some pictures on screen - the smudges and fingerprints. thumbs_down.gif

It's a neat technology. And I like Vista. But I would never put greasy fingers on a screen, no matter how ingenious the idea seems. biggrin.gif
Brandon Live
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jun 11 2008, 15:56) *
He may have a point. I'm darn sure I can work a lot faster with my mouse and keyboard than with my fingers on a touch screen.
Eww sick.gif and imagine trying to use the PC for playing a game after you just dragged and resized some pictures on screen - the smudges and fingerprints. thumbs_down.gif


Never used an iPhone I take it?
zerologic
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jun 12 2008, 11:24) *
Never used an iPhone I take it?


You know what. wink.gif I did. My neighbor got one from the US - then had it hacked so it worked on the local Optus network.

On a phone, it's OK. But Windows? Whaa.. Really? No. I can't even begin to imagine how easily I would mess up my pc with a touchscreen.
Also, with a touchscreen there, when Windows did lock up - I would be so tempted to 'submit' my feedback to Microsoft laugh.gif
bloodrain
why does that extremly annoying lady in the video keep compairing everything to the iphone? she reminds me of some of the people on here who are dedicated apple freaks.
Brandon Live
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jun 11 2008, 19:19) *
On a phone, it's OK. But Windows? Whaa.. Really? No. I can't even begin to imagine how easily I would mess up my pc with a touchscreen.


It's not really best for desktop PCs though... Certainly not to replace a keyboard or mouse.

I mean, they added multi-touch to the Mac OS for the iPhone, right?

Microsoft has Surface already, along with tablets like the XT. It's clearly a technology that's targetted at form factors where a keyboard and mouse make less sense. Or for new interface paradigms like simultaneous input from multiple users.

I surely wouldn't call it a terribly important aspect of Win7 though, at least not for desktop or traditional laptop users like me. Believe me there's plenty else to love.
zerologic
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jun 12 2008, 16:15) *
It's not for desktop PCs though...


Oh right. Didn't get it that Surface wasn't for desktops. If it's only for laptops or tablet PC's, then why did Microsoft choose this technology to showcase when most of the customers won't have a need for it.

Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jun 12 2008, 16:15) *
I surely wouldn't call it a terribly important aspect of Win7 though, at least not for desktop or traditional laptop users like me. Believe me there's plenty else to love.


wink.gif I believe you, but how much longer will we need to wait to find out those new and exciting features?
Brandon Live
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jun 11 2008, 22:53) *
Oh right. Didn't get it that Surface wasn't for desktops. If it's only for laptops or tablet PC's, then why did Microsoft choose this technology to showcase when most of the customers won't have a need for it.


Because it's a cool new technology, and it's still not quite time to talk much about 7.
zerologic
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jun 12 2008, 17:09) *
Because it's a cool new technology, and it's still not quite time to talk much about 7.


Perhaps Microsoft shouldn't have chosen to call this a Windows 7 feature preview. A lot of people got their hopes up. I know I did.
Brandon Live
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jun 11 2008, 23:48) *
Perhaps Microsoft shouldn't have chosen to call this a Windows 7 feature preview. A lot of people got their hopes up. I know I did.


Microsoft didn't. Some bloggers and D6 people did. We didn't say anything at all about it as far as I'm aware.
jafoman
Quote - (bloodrain @ Jun 11 2008, 19:41) *
why does that extremly annoying lady in the video keep compairing everything to the iphone? she reminds me of some of the people on here who are dedicated apple freaks.


Haha yeah I bet Bill & Steve were like... Uh shutup you stupid b*tch... LOL.

Anyway, touch computing is the next logical step in HCI and is the most natural... Put a kid in front of a computer who has never used a keyboard, mouse, or touch screen, and I bet they figure out how to use the screen quicker than they would a mouse. Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens down the road... Maybe in 10-20 years people will laugh that we used a mouse. smile.gif
wst50
The problem I noticed was the laptop-hinge has a bit of 'give'. It's be really annoying to realign the screen of the laptop every time I did something on it, because of the pressure moving it backwards...

I still like surface tbh. Great layout. Toucscreens are good for specialist workstations or the Surface Table, where it's a useful bit of furniture and an RTS dream.
PGHammer
Quote - (dlegend @ Jun 11 2008, 21:12) *
The ones also complaining about multi-touch also gotta realize that this opens doors to many businesses that want applications easy to use for the customers. There is all sorts of uses for multi-touch -- stores, casinos, etc... Anything where users can give feedback or process things using multi-touch is a lot easier than sitting down and having to type on a keyboard and use a mouse. This way they can stand up and just press some buttons. Making the tech available to the public only helps further develop the uses for the technology.


I can think of several *current* uses for the technology - ATMs, self-service checkout, kiosks, casinos (from cash/comp kiosks, which are basically modified ATMs to slot machines). I'm not even talking about stuff sitting in labs, but stuff currently is use today.

ATMs have been touch-screen (either partially or completely) for nearly a decade (and that was without Windows; early touch-screen ATMs used a modified version of IBM OS/2). Self-service checkouts in grocery stores are, likewise, current technology. (I have two different grocery stores with the option of self-service checkout within a half-mile of my house, and *neither* is a 7-Eleven.) Touch-screen slot machines? IGT alone (http://www.igt.com) has been deploying them for four years. (IGT even has touch-screen *mechanical reel* slot machines; the S2000 series.)

Not rocket science. Not even going beyond what's already out in the world today. It doesn't even require new hardware.

PGHammer
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jun 12 2008, 05:53) *
Oh right. Didn't get it that Surface wasn't for desktops. If it's only for laptops or tablet PC's, then why did Microsoft choose this technology to showcase when most of the customers won't have a need for it.



wink.gif I believe you, but how much longer will we need to wait to find out those new and exciting features?



It's not that Surface isn't for desktops (any feature deployable in a laptop or tablet PC can certainly be deployable in a desktop formfactor); it's just that the desktop is the most *traditional* of deployment factors and has the most *traditional* (read: hidebound/reactionary) of user community when it comes to new peripherals.
dead.cell
Biggest problem I see is eating while on the computer. I mean, you can reasonably wipe your hands off and use the keyboard or mouse. However, makes it a lot worse when you're dealing with a screen. noexpression.gif
jjrambo
NEXT.
Master_X
The way I see it if the touch screen features really bother you that much you can most likely easily disable it and any other services running for it, like how people have been doing for quite a while with XP and Vista features.
Examinus
Is it just me, or do the keyboard and touch pad on a laptop seem like a waste of space? I'm using my keyboard now, but when I switch to WMP, I don't; I have this huge space (the size of my screen) doing nothing when I'm using it, along with other applications that don't really require much keyboard attention, and applications like Word that hardly require the touch pad.

Why not make that space a massive multi-touch screen, similar to the Nintendo DS? Imagine having all that space dedicated to multimedia playback; being able to drag the seek bar around or arrange your play lists.

I may draw a picture to demonstrate.
Examinus
My concept picture:

Click to view attachment

WooSH
^ im pretty sure the dual-screen idea is patented by Nintendo. Its what sepereates them. If everyone was able to come out with this, then the DS would have no value.

how bout a tablet, but the keyboard slides out and folds? LIke the ATT Tilt. slid from underneath, then fold to a 90 degree angle.
acido00
I couldn't see the video.

any new link, please.
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