Guillaumeb.com
Jun 23 2008, 07:30
Just curious. Will you ge MobileMe or renew you .Mac account?
I already have a .Mac account so I don't plan to change that.
Virtual Epiphany
Jun 23 2008, 13:56
I also already have .mac, but mobile me will need to drastically improve in order for me to renew.
Cadium
Jun 23 2008, 14:02
I just subscribed to .Mac on the 10th so I could get a decent e-mail address that works properly with Apple Mail (I tried Gmail with IMAP access but it's too quirky, issues with duplicates etc.) and I may use iDisk to keep a small backup of my documents and photos, plus I like the idea of having my Address Book and Calendar synchronized between my Mac and the service itself. Although, I'm not sure how useful it will be overall yet, as I only have one Mac.
Chicane-UK
Jun 23 2008, 14:05
Quite interested, yeah. Need to get an iPhone first though - that won't be till November at the earliest.
Mobile calendar that keeps sync'd on the internet is definately appealing. I'm painfully disorganised and absent minded sometimes!
Quote - (Chicane-UK @ Jun 23 2008, 07:05)

Quite interested, yeah. Need to get an iPhone first though - that won't be till November at the earliest.
Mobile calendar that keeps sync'd on the internet is definately appealing. I'm painfully disorganised and absent minded sometimes!
You should see how I sync my iPhone Calendar right now.

iCal to .Mac to Home Mac to iPhone.
Mobile Me will be a lot better for this I hope.
Hurmoth
Jun 23 2008, 14:10
Have a .Mac account, so I'll be moved over to the MobileMe service.
Cadium
Jun 23 2008, 14:11
Quote - (Chicane-UK @ Jun 23 2008, 11:05)

Mobile calendar that keeps sync'd on the internet is definately appealing. I'm painfully disorganised and absent minded sometimes!
This is one of the features of MobileMe that appeals to me the most, the ability to have my data synchronized in one place, if I make a change from a computer in a library the change is reflected on my Mac, if I move data around in Mail I don't wind up with duplicates, and so forth. I have tried some different free calendar services on the internet (Google Calendar, for example) and while you can make changes from the user interface on the internet, you can't change anything in the desktop client (in this case, iCal or Microsoft Outlook). MobileMe removes this barrier, instead of one-way communication being pushed from the service to the client, you have the ability to push data from the client to the service and vice versa, making the whole process more simplified and removing a significant barrier for users.
Cara: With the MobileMe upgrade for current .Mac users, does that include the 20 GB of storage space? (.Mac includes 10 GB by default with 5 GB for iDisk and other uses and 5 GB for Mail). Are there any features of .Mac that are being removed?
kraized
Jun 23 2008, 14:48
Quote - (Virtual Epiphany @ Jun 23 2008, 14:56)

I also already have .mac, but mobile me will need to drastically improve in order for me to renew.
Huh? MobileMe is already a
vast improvment over what dot.Mac is.
I'll get it only if I'll found some decent @me.com address.
Because, correct me if I'm wrong (I'll be happy to be wrong btw), all @mac.com addresses will became @me.com automatically (if you're billgates@mac.com you can use both @mac and @me as your email). Which means that when service will debut, only crappy @me.com will be available.
I have .Mac, but I'm dying to get my hands on MobileMe, everything looks fantastic, I really want to try their Web Apps. Their moblieme mail app is wayyy better than anything google/yahoo/hotmail has. It would be cool if they would let you import other account settings like they do in the desktop application, but I doubt that.
The whole push services are also wicked, really eager to test how quickly it really is.
PsyOpWarlord
Jun 23 2008, 15:04
I went ahead and purchased the Family MobileMe plan ($149) since I've decided I'm going to get the 3G iPhone on the 11th (currently have HTC phones).. It will actually be cheaper than the (3) Exchange 2007 hosting accounts I have right now (7.95 month x 3 = $286.20). I'll keep the main account for myself and give my son, mom and brother each their own.
The main things I'll have to give up are my syncing of notes over-the-air and not using my own domain name anymore but worth it to save $137.20 a year and get a few extra gigs of storage.
Quote - (Cadium @ Jun 23 2008, 07:11)

Cara: With the MobileMe upgrade for current .Mac users, does that include the 20 GB of storage space? (.Mac includes 10 GB by default with 5 GB for iDisk and other uses and 5 GB for Mail). Are there any features of .Mac that are being removed?
To the best of my knowledge, I don't know much more about Mobile Me than you guys do. I know iCards are going away but that is the only feature not making the cut that I know of. (Don't take that as gospel)
Quote - (Dias @ Jun 23 2008, 07:58)

Because, correct me if I'm wrong (I'll be happy to be wrong btw), all @mac.com addresses will became @me.com automatically (if you're billgates@mac.com you can use both @mac and @me as your email). Which means that when service will debut, only crappy @me.com will be available.

That is the understanding at the moment, any .Mac account will be migrated to have both @mac.com and @me.com addresses where as new subscribers will be getting @me.com addresses. Again, this is my understanding of what I've read.
Virtual Epiphany
Jun 23 2008, 15:08
Quote -
Huh? MobileMe is already a vast improvment over what dot.Mac is.
The syncing of non .mac mail is what is critical for me. The fact that .mac can't sync Local "on my mac" mail folders is very disappointing.
Ricardo Gil
Jun 23 2008, 15:12
I'm currently with .Mac (renewal is due next March I guess) so I'll have a lot of time to think about keeping the new service or not. So far it seems to be much better than .Mac, but only time and a good hands on will tell.
LunarFalcon
Jun 23 2008, 15:33
I'm also currently on .mac, and my renewal is in late December (I got it as a Christmas gift last year), so I have plenty of time to test out the new features to make sure I feel it's worth the price since I'd actually be paying for it myself this time
spike232
Jun 23 2008, 17:23
Full support for your own domain name would completely sway me.
I will try it and see if the sync features are enought to get me to pay.
Vegetunks
Jun 23 2008, 19:02
Quote - (spike232 @ Jun 23 2008, 18:23)

Full support for your own domain name would completely sway me.
I will try it and see if the sync features are enought to get me to pay.
You could always just 'redirect' the domain and use 'masking' to hide the fact it's going to Apples Servers?
Thats what I used to do
No. Never saw a need for .Mac either
It does me little good, as I can sync my contacts and calendar in iCal/Address Book and Outlook already with my phone.
Pictures - I use Picasa.
Online storage - don't need it. Give me a large flash drive instead.
Prince17
Jun 23 2008, 21:28
I am not sure if this service is available for India.
Isn't this just a rename of the ****ty service called .mac?
wase4711
Jun 23 2008, 21:45
well, considering its an enhancement to the existing service, of course I will re-up!
I have gotten quite a kick out of alot of web posters whining about how "embarrassed" they would be giving out a mobileme email address...
Geez, do people actually care about stuff like THAT?
Couch Potato
Jun 24 2008, 21:52
Yes, I registered a .Mac account so, yes, I'll get a MobileMe account.
hjf288
Jun 24 2008, 22:01
Hmm £59 a year for push email or I can sync with my own server (Hopefully) recieve my push mail through exchange and store my data on my own server....
I know what Im going for
ljames28
Jun 24 2008, 22:04
I use an exchange server with Sherweb for £54 a year so I'll be sticking with that. I get tasks, calendar, mail and contacts via push on my desktop, laptop and phone WinMo phones. With .mac I would loose tasks and push support for my phones.
Quillz
Jun 25 2008, 06:46
Since I'm already a .Mac subscriber, I technically already use MobileMe.
Vegetunks
Jun 25 2008, 10:37
Well, i'm a .Mac user and I love it, the integration with Mail is just brilliant, it's the only feature I use and the push e-mail is an excellent idea, I will however still hand out my @mac.com address, not my @me.com address.
HellScream63
Jun 26 2008, 01:12
Already a dotMac member, so just waiting for the switch. I've been a member for almost three years now and this is a long overdue update so I'm excited to see how it works out.
Blackice
Jun 26 2008, 01:45
I'm probably not going to get it. I'm a bit unsure.
Firstly, Google offers most of these services for free.
- Gmail. Has IMAP. Not push, but they've been pretty active in improvements so far. Hopefully push is coming soon. Mail.App and iPhone Mail need better support for it.
- Google Calendar. I don't use it, but I understand that it has some sort of standard interface (webDAV?) for keeping things in sync. iPhone needs webDAV support.
- No photo sharing service, but I can mail the pictures to Flickr for that (from iPhone too)
- No contact sync, but iTunes sync does that. I don't need it OTA, and there'll probably be a 3rd party app to do it soon.
I'd prefer MobileMe for the better Mail.App and iPhone support (I'm a mac user), but it's far too expensive. And I don't like the fact that my mail address isn't guaranteed if I don't like the service and stop paying. If Apple guaranteed some minimal storage or redirection service, I'd do it. It also means I'm safe from getting anybody's recycled address, and wrong emails or spam. On the whole, Google seems much better to me.
I won't use things like the iDisk, so if Apple would release an ad-supported version of MobileMe with Mail, Calendar, Contacts, I'd switch from Google instantly. Then things like iDisk or photos could be added for a fee. Maybe make the core features free to Mac/iPhone customers only. And that fee should be lower than the £60 ($120) it is now. I'm not show how much of a margin is on that tag, but I'd bet they could make it a fair amount smaller.
Vegetunks
Jun 26 2008, 08:41
Now that I've got a DropBox account i'm thinking the other way.. DropBox is free and gives me 2GB of Space, so now my only used feature of .mac/mobileme is the E-Mail
Virtual Epiphany
Jun 26 2008, 12:51
Quote - (Vegetunks @ Jun 26 2008, 03:41)

Now that I've got a DropBox account i'm thinking the other way.. DropBox is free and gives me 2GB of Space, so now my only used feature of .mac/mobileme is the E-Mail
Since Gmail made the switch to imap I can't see why anyone would pay for email service anymore. I was paying for .mac to use the icards.........
Quote - (Virtual Epiphany @ Jun 26 2008, 05:51)

Since Gmail made the switch to imap I can't see why anyone would pay for email service anymore. I was paying for .mac to use the icards.........

iCards was a free service for all.
Cadium
Jun 28 2008, 00:47
Quote - (Virtual Epiphany @ Jun 26 2008, 09:51)

Since Gmail made the switch to imap I can't see why anyone would pay for email service anymore. I was paying for .mac to use the icards.........

I find that Gmail's IMAP implementation is buggy with Apple Mail and does not integrate as well as .Mac Mail, with Gmail there are too many duplicate messages and issues with deleting messages which become annoying after a while.
Quote - (Cadium @ Jun 27 2008, 17:47)

I find that Gmail's IMAP implementation is buggy with Apple Mail and does not integrate as well as .Mac Mail, with Gmail there are too many duplicate messages and issues with deleting messages which become annoying after a while.
Hrm, I don't have this issue on my iPhone or my Macs... Any common elements in the messages being duplicated? Attachments or anything along those lines?
saachi
Jun 28 2008, 01:58
Quote - (Cadium @ Jun 28 2008, 12:47)

I find that Gmail's IMAP implementation is buggy with Apple Mail and does not integrate as well as .Mac Mail, with Gmail there are too many duplicate messages and issues with deleting messages which become annoying after a while.
Like Cara, I don't have any problems with Gmail and Apple Mail using IMAP, however I'm still keen to subscribe to MobileMe.
Cadium
Jun 28 2008, 02:35
Quote - (Cara @ Jun 27 2008, 22:32)

Hrm, I don't have this issue on my iPhone or my Macs... Any common elements in the messages being duplicated? Attachments or anything along those lines?
It seems to be related to the All Mail folder, and when I try to delete a message Mail will remove it but if you go to the Gmail web interface the message hasn't been touched, and then the next time you open Mail it shows duplicates.
No, I don't have money to spend for an email account in my bank. There are free services around that are enough for me.
Mobile Me looks like it's owning everything though, or at least the interface does. I've just seen it quickly in the keynote, but hey, it was rather good.
fukachu
Jun 29 2008, 05:18
the fact that i will lose my email address if i stop subscribing is a bit of a concern but then i guess that is to be expected.
the reason im thinking of going mobileme is that as i live far from my family (japan and they are in australia) having a blog to keep them and my friends up to date with thins happening in my life is good. I could go an ad based blog system but i like the ability to do things my own way, have my own design etc. so my own webspace is needed. paying $6-7 USD a month for services is nice, but adding an extra couple of dollars to get the extra benefits of mobile me seem really worth while. i could then make a website through rapidweaver (more freedom with design etc) or a plain old iWeb theme and sync it all with mobileme. making everything easy.
mobileme might also motivate me to be a lot more organised. which is certainly not a bad thing at all.
apparently yahoo mail offers push email so that is a free alternative for people wanting push service on their phone without the mobileme service. I'll be trying it out first for free before i completely make the move to a paid service.
a question to .mac uses with photo galleries.. can you have more than one gallery and keep them separate from each other? i'd like to have some photo albums free from my family's eyes haha. so have separate galleries would be awesome..
togerland
Jun 30 2008, 17:09
It sounds nice.... but over 100 dollars a year... its crazy
Cormier6083
Jul 1 2008, 01:00
No, because I don't really need of the features listed.
Quote - (togerland @ Jun 30 2008, 10:09)

It sounds nice.... but over 100 dollars a year... its crazy
It's $99/year. That's not quite over a hundred a year.
I already have .Mac so will continue with MobileMe (will keep my @mac.com email address though

).
I was using Gmail email accounts even though I have .Mac, but have recently switched over to .Mac because of the problems most people are complaining about (searching returns duplicates, deleting problems etc.). Can't really complain though as it's free. But .Mac IMAP is much better than Gmail.
Quote - (fukachu @ Jun 29 2008, 06:18)

a question to .mac uses with photo galleries.. can you have more than one gallery and keep them separate from each other? i'd like to have some photo albums free from my family's eyes haha. so have separate galleries would be awesome..
You can have (pretty much) as many galleries as you like but they're all displayed on 1 page. You can password protect photo galleries & movies though & they display a lock instead of the first picture, so I guess if you didn't want people to know what they were you give them 'cover names' (e.g. rename 'wild pool orgy' to 'best friends pet photos'
I'm not sure why people are talking about "switching" to MobileMe or upgrading to it.
In early July your .Mac account will automatically be upgraded to MobileMe anyway.
may look at it for business mobility... on that note does this support emails outside of apples me.com like can you use your own domain for emails and stuff ? and does it support multiple users on one account ?
we currently use drop box for pc to pc sharing and file storage of development stuff.
Quote - (togerland @ Jun 30 2008, 12:09)

It sounds nice.... but over 100 dollars a year... its crazy
Quote - (Quillz @ Jul 1 2008, 00:02)

It's $99/year. That's not quite over a hundred a year.
You can find it pretty easily for around $70. I paid $80 for a family license.
Quote - (FOOOD @ Jul 1 2008, 02:23)

I already have .Mac so will continue with MobileMe (will keep my @mac.com email address though

).
I was using Gmail email accounts even though I have .Mac, but have recently switched over to .Mac because of the problems most people are complaining about (searching returns duplicates, deleting problems etc.). Can't really complain though as it's free. But .Mac IMAP is much better than Gmail.
Pretty much my stance as well. Gmail's implementation of IMAP just isn't very good. I hate knowing that if I delete something out of my inbox, it will still be in the All Mail box.
dysmatik
Jul 1 2008, 13:22
I'm already a .mac user, so yes I'll be using mobileme.
The new webmail interface looks promising.
chAos972
Jul 1 2008, 13:23
The service sounds really great but lacks a few critical points for me. First is Windows support is limited to Outlook - no Windows Mail or Desktop Live Mail support. The next is that I already use Google Calendar and so this has no way to synchronise with it (I'd be giving it so many bonus points if it synced Windows Calendar, with Google Calendar, with my iPhone, etc for me). Ultimately the service is great if you're not using something else currently, but if you are support is very limited.
dysmatik
Jul 1 2008, 13:29
Quote - (chAos972 @ Jul 1 2008, 08:23)

The service sounds really great but lacks a few critical points for me. First is Windows support is limited to Outlook - no Windows Mail or Desktop Live Mail support. The next is that I already use Google Calendar and so this has no way to synchronise with it (I'd be giving it so many bonus points if it synced Windows Calendar, with Google Calendar, with my iPhone, etc for me). Ultimately the service is great if you're not using something else currently, but if you are support is very limited.
But if you can access all your email & calendar via the web with mobileme, why have it sync elsewhere (other service providers like Live, Google, Yahoo, etc)?
Blackice
Jul 5 2008, 16:34
I wonder if the IMAP problems are because of Google's implementation of it, or Apple's Mail.App (on OSX and iPhone) not really being built for anything other than .Mac/MobileMe?
I suspect it may be a Google problem. But it is a real problem. For example, I have 4 folders now for Sent Mail. I don't know what the difference between any of them are. I've also got two junk folders, one of them with 1000 unread messages (probably the server one). This really wasn't made to be easy for your average user. I've also got loads of folders inside the [Gmail] folder. Oh, and then there are the duplicate email problems.
It's Gmail's IMAP that's the problem I think. I have a few other IMAP email accounts that aren't .Mac & they're fine. I only had trouble with Gmail's.
Having said that I never had problems with multiple mailboxes showing up.
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