Spanish apes are one step closer to receiving the same rights to life and freedom humans have.
The environmental committee of Spain's parliament approved resolutions that urge the European country to comply with the Great Apes Project — a plan developed by philosophers and scientists who say the animals deserve the same rights as their closest genetic relatives, the Reuters news agency reported.
"This is a historic day in the struggle for animal rights and in defense of our evolutionary comrades, which will doubtless go down in the history of humanity," Pedro Pozas, Spanish director of the Great Apes Project, told Reuters. "We have no knowledge of great apes being used in experiments in Spain, but there is currently no law preventing that from happening."
The new measures are the latest in what appears to be Spain's move from a conservative state to liberal trailblazer.
Under the new rules, keeping apes for television commercials, filming or circuses would be illegal, Reuters reported.
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good!
What a load of bullcrap. Why apes and not a other animals?
And so it begins...
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
heh no really, it's pretty cool that they've done this
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
heh no really, it's pretty cool that they've done this
And what are they basing their evidence on, George of the Jungle?
Scirwode
Scirwode
Why do people think humans are somewhat more valuable than other lifeforms. This is surely a step in the right direction.
aslong as england doesnt start accepting them as immigrants and lets them take our jobs its all good lol. How is keeping an ape in a Zoo fair then??
Quote - (Coldgunner @ Jun 26 2008, 17:05) 
Why do people think humans are somewhat more valuable than other lifeforms. This is surely a step in the right direction.
Agree 100%
Quote - (digitalsoft @ Jun 26 2008, 13:43)
aslong as england doesnt start accepting them as immigrants and lets them take our jobs its all good
That has been going on in Denmark for the past 5-10 years
Quote - (mad_spooky @ Jun 26 2008, 06:06)
Why apes and not a other animals?
Am wondering that also. So they just are picking and choosing which animals get to have these rights? Why not all of them?
It's very odd.
hopefully all animals can have the same rights as humans
Quote - (exotoxic @ Jun 26 2008, 13:41)
hopefully all animals can have the same rights as humans
I agree that animals should not be mistreated (except big ugly spiders), but think about the following: if all animals get the same rights as human beings, we will all have to become vegeterians... Yummie... veggie burgers...
I thought we already had rights. 
Quote - (brentaal @ Jun 26 2008, 13:47)
I thought we already had rights.
LOOL, nice one
Quote - (exotoxic @ Jun 26 2008, 11:41)
hopefully all animals can have the same rights as humans
Kill an rat then go to jail ..
I agree with this but then Bush .. should he have the same rights as a monkey? ... NOT!!!! ...
on all seriousness ... all animals MUST be protected by law... just because homosapiens is such as ****ed up animal it does not have the right to take the life of another (even if it gets attacked). Ie. lion vs gazelle is fine -> food , humans vs cows -> food, but humans vs monkey -> Not cool ... also there is no reason in exterminatig certain animals just because we think they are not needed
on all seriousness ... all animals MUST be protected by law... just because homosapiens is such as ****ed up animal it does not have the right to take the life of another (even if it gets attacked). Ie. lion vs gazelle is fine -> food , humans vs cows -> food, but humans vs monkey -> Not cool ... also there is no reason in exterminatig certain animals just because we think they are not needed
Quote - (ApuBo @ Jun 26 2008, 13:51)
Kill an rat then go to jail ..
Voila, another good example
Quote - (ApuBo @ Jun 26 2008, 21:51)
Kill an rat then go to jail ..
Yes, and be charged with first degree murder.
Scirwode
Quote - (Coldgunner @ Jun 26 2008, 21:35)
Why do people think humans are somewhat more valuable than other lifeforms. This is surely a step in the right direction.
The danger is that we don't know when to stop, and eventually anything and everything has rights. It's a slippery slope, so to speak.
There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of self-interest. It's a self-protection mechanism of most, if not all living beings, and you would do well to keep it.
Quote - (zeta_immersion @ Jun 26 2008, 13:53)
I agree with this but then Bush .. should he have the same rights as a monkey? ... NOT!!!! ...
on all seriousness ... all animals MUST be protected by law... just because homosapiens is such as ****ed up animal it does not have the right to take the life of another (even if it gets attacked). Ie. lion vs gazelle is fine -> food , humans vs cows -> food, but humans vs monkey -> Not cool ... also there is no reason in exterminatig certain animals just because we think they are not needed
on all seriousness ... all animals MUST be protected by law... just because homosapiens is such as ****ed up animal it does not have the right to take the life of another (even if it gets attacked). Ie. lion vs gazelle is fine -> food , humans vs cows -> food, but humans vs monkey -> Not cool ... also there is no reason in exterminatig certain animals just because we think they are not needed
What if someone wants to eat monkey?
Yeah I know I'm pushing it...
Donnie Darko, while totally missing the point of the book he was discussing says it better than I ever could. Merciless copy/paste of IMDB ftw.
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[from the Extended and Deleted Scenes. The class is discussing Watership Down]
Karen Pommeroy: This could be the death of an entire way of life, the end of an era...
Donnie: Why should we care?
Karen Pommeroy: Because the rabbits are us, Donnie.
Donnie: Why should I mourn for a rabbit like he was human?
Karen Pommeroy: Are you saying that the death of one species is less tragic than another?
Donnie: Of course. The rabbit's not like us. It has no... keen look at something in the mirror, it has no history books, no photographs, no knowledge of sorrow or regret... I mean, I'm sorry, Miss Pommeroy, don't get me wrong; y'know, I like rabbits and all. They're cute and they're horny. And if you're cute and you're horny, then you're probably happy, in that you don't know who you are and why you're even alive. And you just wanna' have sex, as many times as possible, before you die... I mean, I just don't see the point in crying over a dead rabbit! Y'know, who... who never even feared death to begin with.
Karen Pommeroy: This could be the death of an entire way of life, the end of an era...
Donnie: Why should we care?
Karen Pommeroy: Because the rabbits are us, Donnie.
Donnie: Why should I mourn for a rabbit like he was human?
Karen Pommeroy: Are you saying that the death of one species is less tragic than another?
Donnie: Of course. The rabbit's not like us. It has no... keen look at something in the mirror, it has no history books, no photographs, no knowledge of sorrow or regret... I mean, I'm sorry, Miss Pommeroy, don't get me wrong; y'know, I like rabbits and all. They're cute and they're horny. And if you're cute and you're horny, then you're probably happy, in that you don't know who you are and why you're even alive. And you just wanna' have sex, as many times as possible, before you die... I mean, I just don't see the point in crying over a dead rabbit! Y'know, who... who never even feared death to begin with.
Quote - (mad_spooky @ Jun 26 2008, 12:06)
What a load of bullcrap. Why apes and not a other animals?
Because there is a vast majority of very vocal nitwits, especially amongst the scientific community who genuinely believe that apes are our "ancestors".
Until this madness/nonsense is exposed for what it is (could be a very long time given the maniacal, arrogant and often conceited nature of this majority group), I completely understand how this has happened, because if you believe in Darwinian principles and their modern offshoots, you will likely also find some sense in this.
A good example of sheer human guesswork gone mad and a good example (as if there arent enough already) of why our Creator left us with guidance instead of leaving us to work it all out for ourselves with dire consequences that doing so results in.
Have we then no sense?
^ face palm...
Clue #1 that you're a nitwit: when you say the majority of biologists are nitwits.
Quote - (ApuBo @ Jun 26 2008, 14:51)
Kill an rat then go to jail ..
why would i want to kill a rat?? i dont see any problems with them.
and killing for food is ok because thats a natural thing to do... killing for your own satisfaction is not.
"Under the new rules, keeping apes for television commercials, filming or circuses would be illegal, Reuters reported."
There goes Clyde's career.
There goes Clyde's career.
Since this only applies to Spain, Clyde will be OK.
does this mean that they can own guns?
Quote - (fr33k @ Jun 26 2008, 15:52)
does this mean that they can own guns?
bizarrely, they'd probably be more responsible than the average moron.
just watch it will move on to all animals make it illegal to eat meat
Quote - (ironsight2000 @ Jun 26 2008, 15:05)
just watch it will move on to all animals make it illegal to eat meat
about time
vegetarianism is the way to go. more healthy and cruelty free
Quote - (Coldgunner @ Jun 26 2008, 10:59)
bizarrely, they'd probably be more responsible than the average moron.
Quote - (jbonello @ Jun 26 2008, 16:15)
about time vegetarianism is the way to go. more healthy and cruelty free
vegetarianism is the way to go. more healthy and cruelty freeI don't want to get into a debate, but eating meat quite healthy too.
PLANT AND VEGETABLE RIGHTS!
plants have feelings too
Apes aren't humans therefore they should not have human rights.
Quote - (masked unknown @ Jun 26 2008, 10:29)
Apes aren't humans therefore they should not have human rights.
finally one smart answer here.
What, do we have to provide wellfare for these poor apes now?
Quote - (alsheron @ Jun 26 2008, 15:22)
Because there is a vast majority of very vocal nitwits, especially amongst the scientific community who genuinely believe that apes are our "ancestors".
Until this madness/nonsense is exposed for what it is (could be a very long time given the maniacal, arrogant and often conceited nature of this majority group), I completely understand how this has happened, because if you believe in Darwinian principles and their modern offshoots, you will likely also find some sense in this.
A good example of sheer human guesswork gone mad and a good example (as if there arent enough already) of why our Creator left us with guidance instead of leaving us to work it all out for ourselves with dire consequences that doing so results in.
Have we then no sense?
Until this madness/nonsense is exposed for what it is (could be a very long time given the maniacal, arrogant and often conceited nature of this majority group), I completely understand how this has happened, because if you believe in Darwinian principles and their modern offshoots, you will likely also find some sense in this.
A good example of sheer human guesswork gone mad and a good example (as if there arent enough already) of why our Creator left us with guidance instead of leaving us to work it all out for ourselves with dire consequences that doing so results in.
Have we then no sense?
Humans are apes, we belong to the same superfamily (Hominidae; commonly known as the "Great Apes") as orangutans, gorillas & chimpanzees. Chimps are our closest cousins, studies show that the difference in DNA is only 10 times that between two unrelated humans and less than 10 times the difference between rats and mice.
Quote - (masked unknown @ Jun 26 2008, 16:29)
Apes aren't humans therefore they should not have human rights.
All Humans are Apes, but not all Apes are Human. That said, you are correct in that non-human apes shouldn't be given human rights.
Quote - (exotoxic @ Jun 26 2008, 12:37)
why would i want to kill a rat?? i dont see any problems with them.
and killing for food is ok because thats a natural thing to do... killing for your own satisfaction is not.
and killing for food is ok because thats a natural thing to do... killing for your own satisfaction is not.
dont has to be a rat you killin..
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Under the new rules, keeping apes for television commercials, filming or circuses would be illegal
Are not humans allowed on TV ?
You are right, I have always known about man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him, even himself.
Quote - (Hum @ Jun 27 2008, 00:53)
Are not humans allowed on TV ?
Get ready for Planet of The Apes reruns
.Scirwode
Quote - (Hum @ Jun 26 2008, 11:53)
Are not humans allowed on TV ?
lol
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All Humans are Apes, but not all Apes are Human. That said, you are correct in that non-human apes shouldn't be given human rights.
Quote - (Hum @ Jun 26 2008, 14:53)
Are not humans allowed on TV ?
i bet they can (apes) , and being paid this time
yea money
With rights come responsibilities. If apes are going to get the same rights as humans, will the same be expected of them in other ways? Jail time for law breaking, send their children to school 
I imagine that these new laws are not going to go *that far*, the media always likes to exaggerate.
I don't see why it's so awful to use animals in commercials if they are being looked after properly, better than using them to test out new drugs. I'd sooner see that banned, I hope it is in Spain after this all this.
I imagine that these new laws are not going to go *that far*, the media always likes to exaggerate.
I don't see why it's so awful to use animals in commercials if they are being looked after properly, better than using them to test out new drugs. I'd sooner see that banned, I hope it is in Spain after this all this.
I dont see why the debate in this. Lets just make it simple:
Human rights are granted to every member of species Homo Sapien. Everything else has no human rights. End of discussion.
If every animal had human rights, we can all kiss burgers, steaks, wool clothes, chicken wings, bacon, seafood, leather seats, turkey dinners,leather wallets and purses, pets, petting zoos and beastiality good bye.
Human rights are granted to every member of species Homo Sapien. Everything else has no human rights. End of discussion.
If every animal had human rights, we can all kiss burgers, steaks, wool clothes, chicken wings, bacon, seafood, leather seats, turkey dinners,leather wallets and purses, pets, petting zoos and beastiality good bye.
Humanity is Overrated..
Does anybody feel it's ironic that SPAIN is doing this? They slaughter bulls slowly in public and rip the heads off of chickens for fun.....
The spanish leaders probably just meant their own people when they said apes.. same thing..
(Was that racism?)
(Was that racism?)
Quote - (Rebdomine @ Jun 26 2008, 20:55)
The spanish leaders probably just meant their own people when they said apes.. same thing..
(Was that racism?)
(Was that racism?)
Probably, but i would have found it funny no matter what country it was, so meh IMO
I also agree with teriba, its quite ridiculous that they do this for apes but think its ok to treat other animals like that.
Quote - (Persephone @ Jun 26 2008, 13:20)
With rights come responsibilities. If apes are going to get the same rights as humans, will the same be expected of them in other ways? Jail time for law breaking, send their children to school
I imagine that these new laws are not going to go *that far*, the media always likes to exaggerate.
I don't see why it's so awful to use animals in commercials if they are being looked after properly, better than using them to test out new drugs. I'd sooner see that banned, I hope it is in Spain after this all this.
I imagine that these new laws are not going to go *that far*, the media always likes to exaggerate.
I don't see why it's so awful to use animals in commercials if they are being looked after properly, better than using them to test out new drugs. I'd sooner see that banned, I hope it is in Spain after this all this.
I can see the court room after an ape commits a crime, like throwing crap at someone, and they try to question the defendent.
What a bunch of dingle berries. Go ahead a protect animals from the idiots that drag them behind cars, but fire crackers up their butts, etc. but to say animals deserve the same rights as humans is quite irrational.
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