Esmandau
Jul 5 2008, 22:01
I wanna now if there are people who uses they mac's to run windows most than os x.? i know some friends who like windows and buy a mac because windows vista the best to run it is on a mac (ironic right?) but that was what the benchmarks test say's....
how many of you?
Vegetunks
Jul 5 2008, 22:03
Never ever ever! When I get my iMac in the next couple of months i'll be running Windows XP/Vista on it specifically for one game, the rest of the time, it'll be either Running OS X or Running a Linux Distro...
Maybe some 3D Rendering on 3D Studio Max as well
creamhackered
Jul 5 2008, 22:05
Why would you wanna do that
Persephone
Jul 5 2008, 22:06
I have an install of XP, but OS X is my primary OS; it's the main reason I bought the thing.
I find it hard to believe that Macs are better for running Windows, but I guess others on here would know better? I have a Macbook; I'm sure I could have got a faster machine for the same money if I wanted to be Windows only.
ljames28
Jul 5 2008, 22:07
I bought a Macbook exclusively to run Vista, i have Mac still install but i've only used it a max of 5 times in the year and a half ive had the macbook. At university some people think it's evil or just plain wrong, and others think its cool

Nowadays it'd be silly to buy a Mac for Vista, but a year and a half ago if you wanted a laptop around 13 inches that was fast then you could either get a Macbook or a Dell 12" thing that was uglier, smaller and more expensive. Beleive it or not the macbook was very good value for money for a 13" laptop.
Mephistopheles
Jul 5 2008, 22:10
I bought a Mac to get away from Windows. I don't use Bootcamp either; I have a Windows XP virtual machine to test things - but that's it.
Running Windows only on a Mac kind of defeats the point of buying one in the first place.
Snakehn
Jul 5 2008, 22:18
Quote - (Mephistopheles @ Jul 5 2008, 18:10)

I bought a Mac to get away from Windows.
Running Windows only on a Mac defeats the point of buying one in the first place.
+1
When I worked at Best Buy we installed Windows on all our Macs when BootCamp came out. We had Windows running all the time. The best part was that customers didn't notice. Casual Mac users... they don't even know what their using, the box just looks pretty... sorry... don't mean to start trouble.
Quote - (Esmandau @ Jul 5 2008, 15:01)

I wanna now if there are people who uses they mac's to run windows most than os x.? i know some friends who like windows and buy a mac because windows vista the best to run it is on a mac (ironic right?) but that was what the benchmarks test say's....
how many of you?
That would be a waste of money to use Mac hardware for a Windows OS. Not because Vista sucks but because the Mac cost loads for ok hardware. Also Vista dose not run faster on a Mac.
ljames28
Jul 5 2008, 22:25
Quote - (deck @ Jul 5 2008, 23:23)

When I worked at Best Buy we installed Windows on all our Macs when BootCamp came out. We had Windows running all the time. The best part was that customers didn't notice. Casual Mac users... they don't even know what their using, the box just looks pretty... sorry... don't mean to start trouble.
What do you mean the customers didnt notice? You say it like your spitting in their burgers, whats wrong with running windows behind the counter?
Esmandau
Jul 5 2008, 22:39
Quote - (Typhon @ Jul 5 2008, 22:24)

That would be a waste of money to use Mac hardware for a Windows OS. Not because Vista sucks but because the Mac cost loads for ok hardware. Also Vista dose not run faster on a Mac.
PC World Say's
" Fastest: Apple MacBook Pro
The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year (through 10/25/07) is a Mac. Try that again: The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year--or for that matter, ever--is a Mac. Not a Dell, not a Toshiba, not even an Alienware. The $2419 (plus the price of a copy of Windows Vista, of course) MacBook Pro's PC WorldBench 6 Beta 2 score of 88 beats Gateway's E-265M by a single point, but the MacBook's score is far more impressive simply because Apple couldn't care less whether you run Windows. "
Also See Here JAJAJA,
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/Go To 2007, Click Missprint Ad
Quote - (ljames28 @ Jul 5 2008, 18:25)

What do you mean the customers didnt notice? You say it like your spitting in their burgers, whats wrong with running windows behind the counter?
No no...
We had it running on all our demo computers. The one's that customers look at, play with, touch, point to and say "I want this one." People would go up to our Macs, start using them, click around Windows XP, and not ask why they are using Windows.
ljames28
Jul 5 2008, 22:45
Quote - (deck @ Jul 5 2008, 23:41)

No no... We had it running on all our demo computers. The one's that customers look at, play with, touch, point to and say "I want this one." People would go up to our Macs, start using them, click around Windows XP, and not ask why they are using Windows.
Quote - (deck @ Jul 5 2008, 18:41)

No no... We had it running on all our demo computers. The one's that customers look at, play with, touch, point to and say "I want this one." People would go up to our Macs, start using them, click around Windows XP, and not ask why they are using Windows.
Probably because they've never seen or used Mac OS much.
Bobster
Jul 5 2008, 23:03
I wouldn't run it as my main OS but as me and my mates have Macbook Pro's, we use Vista all the time for gaming. But IMO since switching to Mac is that it is just better than Windows.
Vegetunks
Jul 5 2008, 23:04
One of the Apple Resellers local to me in Spain (i'm on holiday out here at the moment) had XP installed on all the iMacs in his store, when I asked him why he explained that "Windows XP was better and faster then anything OS X could offer" I sent Apple a nice letter and he no longer sells Apple Hardware

I think it's just plain wrong
LunarFalcon
Jul 5 2008, 23:05
Since I switched to mac in November, I haven't even tried windows on bootcamp. I've been very happy with leopard and have had all of the apps that I need/want without having to use windows.
Quote - (Esmandau @ Jul 5 2008, 15:39)

PC World Say's
" Fastest: Apple MacBook Pro
The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year (through 10/25/07) is a Mac. Try that again: The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year--or for that matter, ever--is a Mac. Not a Dell, not a Toshiba, not even an Alienware. The $2419 (plus the price of a copy of Windows Vista, of course) MacBook Pro's PC WorldBench 6 Beta 2 score of 88 beats Gateway's E-265M by a single point, but the MacBook's score is far more impressive simply because Apple couldn't care less whether you run Windows. "
Also See Here JAJAJA,
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/Go To 2007, Click Missprint Ad
That's last year and also that's a laptop.
simon360
Jul 5 2008, 23:18
Quote - (Vegetunks @ Jul 5 2008, 20:34)

One of the Apple Resellers local to me in Spain (i'm on holiday out here at the moment) had XP installed on all the iMacs in his store, when I asked him why he explained that "Windows XP was better and faster then anything OS X could offer" I sent Apple a nice letter and he no longer sells Apple Hardware

I think it's just plain wrong
So... he was selling an outdated OS? I could *almost* understand if it was Vista, but he would be charging the same or more I imagine, for a 6-7 year old OS. Thanks for getting him out of the program

I have Vista on my MacBook Pro for a few games (The Orange Box, mainly), but it's not nearly as good on a laptop. I plan on getting an iMac t the end of the summer and putting Vista on there, then doing my gaming on it. However, on both systems, I (plan to) use OS X primarily other than the occasional game.
Esmandau
Jul 5 2008, 23:19
Quote - (giga @ Jul 5 2008, 23:00)

Probably because they've never seen or used Mac OS much.
that is right, i was a Fully windows user and OS X Hater for years, but 6 months back i say one day " i will give one week my self to fully test ad personalize my OS X leopard Installation with emails, IM, photos, music, and all the stuff i got on windows" man i can say proudly i dont want to go back to windows ! ! !when i use it i feel strange, how can bill gates sell his OS? at that Price? really all those windows users you just give os x a try ! ! ! do it.
rm20010
Jul 5 2008, 23:21
Quote - (Vegetunks @ Jul 5 2008, 19:04)

One of the Apple Resellers local to me in Spain (i'm on holiday out here at the moment) had XP installed on all the iMacs in his store, when I asked him why he explained that "Windows XP was better and faster then anything OS X could offer" I sent Apple a nice letter and he no longer sells Apple Hardware
I think it's just plain wrong
In that case, you should get the Apple store at our downtown Eaton Centre shut down. They installed Boot Camp and I was able to get into the XP login screen.

(Mind you, the XP boot screen looked TERRIBLE on that monstrous iMac's display.)
But come on people. Some prefer Windows and want slim form laptops that perform well. Nothing wrong with that. And for the last time, people's wallets are their own business, not yours.
The reason that I bought my iMac was to stay away from Windows, I have only Vmware running with Windows 2000.
bryonhowley
Jul 5 2008, 23:26
I Use OS X As Primary OS On My PC
Quote - (bryonhowley @ Jul 5 2008, 19:26)

I Use OS X As Primary OS On My PC
Why don't you update? 10.5.4 is out.
Quote - (Esmandau @ Jul 5 2008, 19:19)

that is right, i was a Fully windows user and OS X Hater for years, but 6 months back i say one day " i will give one week my self to fully test ad personalize my OS X leopard Installation with emails, IM, photos, music, and all the stuff i got on windows" man i can say proudly i dont want to go back to windows ! ! !when i use it i feel strange, how can bill gates sell his OS? at that Price? really all those windows users you just give os x a try ! ! ! do it.
I'd love to give Mac a good try in much the same way you do. You know what I don't? Because I can't afford to buy a Mac. I can't even afford to buy a Mac Mini. But if I'm going to consider changing the medium by which I work I want to get the entire experience with a full-on iMac. 24inches. But I don't have 2000$ to drop on a new computer and without the ability to try, my next computer will likely be a Windows PC.
Chonson
Jul 5 2008, 23:43
giga, not a problem with the EFI emulator
Quote - (Chonson @ Jul 5 2008, 19:43)

giga, not a problem with the EFI emulator

Why's he still running 10.5.2 then?
bryonhowley
Jul 6 2008, 00:07
Quote - (giga @ Jul 5 2008, 18:27)

Why don't you update? 10.5.4 is out.
Did not realize I still had 10.5.2 in my signature.
The reason I purchased my MacBook Pro was so that I had a computer which worked seamlessly, from the hardware right down to the software applications, without me having to fiddle around and tinker with things. So, with that being said, my primary (and only) operating system is Mac OS X. If I need to use Windows, I simply connect to one of the few PC's that I have in my home.
TonyLock
Jul 6 2008, 00:50
Yeah me!
I hate the Mac OS but love the Apple hardware. Windows > OSX so I run that on my Mac.
Keep the thread clean--flame/troll posts are far too easy to come by.
tsupersonic
Jul 6 2008, 00:57
One day perhaps it will be legal to run Mac OS on a PC. One day...
great, posts deleted
Blackice
Jul 6 2008, 00:59
I use OSX. Used to be really in to Windows - I was a hobbyist developer, in to the Microsoft beta scene and all that. Switched to OSX a while ago, and never looked back. Love OSX to bits (pardon the pun).
I've never felt there was any software 'missing' or that I needed but couldn't use. Most of the Mac alternatives have cleaner interfaces and are much easier and quicker than their Windows counterparts. I think the 'missing software' idea mainly applies if you're in a corporation with custom software. Even my engineering applications such as MATLAB and SPICE work on the Mac - in fact, SPICE has some great interfaces that are miles above any Windows equivalents, and OSX includes a 3D graphing calculator with Vector graph and movie export support!
Quote - (Blackice @ Jul 5 2008, 21:59)

and OSX includes a 3D graphing calculator with Vector graph and movie export support!
It does? Where?
Quote - (Cadium @ Jul 5 2008, 21:01)

It does? Where?

/Applications/Utilities/Grapher.app
Quote - (giga @ Jul 5 2008, 22:03)

/Applications/Utilities/Grapher.app
I've never had a need to use it, but I'll keep that in mind should the need arise. I guess you learn something every day, thank you giga.
Blackice
Jul 6 2008, 02:25
I should add that some of the SPICE interfaces I saw before (years ago a friend of mine was showing off his G4) have stopped being developed. Some of them are open-source, and can be recompiled for Universal Binary support with little/no changes.
It appears SPICE interfaces are rubbish wherever you go.
And yes, Grapher.App is very cool. I love how I can animate variables in the equations and export them as Quicktime movies, and even sync them to an iPod/iPhone (not that I'd ever want to do that. I have some pride you know!). Great for demoing how certain variables impact the graph (I did some digital communications work a while ago, was supremely useful)
daveoc64
Jul 6 2008, 06:30
While I mostly use Mac OS X, I do go through phases of just using Windows (mostly out of need, although I don't see one OS as being better than the other).
I certainly wouldn't have bought my MacBook if it couldn't run Windows.
Chicane-UK
Jul 6 2008, 12:34
I use OSX at home all of the time, but have a Windows XP partition specifically so I can reboot and play some games. Oh if only you could buy games natively for OSX I could actually be rid of Windows for good at home!
Quote - (Chicane-UK @ Jul 6 2008, 20:34)

I use OSX at home all of the time, but have a Windows XP partition specifically so I can reboot and play some games. Oh if only you could buy games natively for OSX I could actually be rid of Windows for good at home!
+1 which is why I am looking forward to Starcraft 2 and (to a lesser extent) Diablo 3 for OS X
I run Windows Vista almost exclusively on my MacBook. Windows just works better for me in many areas, including on my university's network. Frankly, I see nothing "ironic" about this at all. Apple is a hardware company that makes computers. I use their computers to run various operating systems. I also don't think it's wrong. Unlike some people, using Windows doesn't make me sick to my stomach. In fact, I use many operating systems on my Mac.
Brandon Live
Jul 7 2008, 06:18
Yup, I pretty much never boot into Leopard. Technically mine is set up for triple boot (Leopard + 2 Windows installs).
StevoJD
Jul 7 2008, 06:27
I switched to Mac to try out something new, something different. Being a wanna-be designer, and a person with a keen eye for aesthetics, the Mac was the perfect platform for me. It's just "perfect" in many ways, the little things of the operating system that appeal to me.
I don't mind using Windows at all, in fact I dual boot with Vista to play some Team Fortress 2 here and there.
In the end it all comes down to YOU. Different operating systems appeal to different people.
For the most part, I stick with Leopard, but when I need to or want to I'll use Vista.
Ji@nBing
Jul 7 2008, 06:29
Quote - (Vegetunks @ Jul 5 2008, 16:04)

One of the Apple Resellers local to me in Spain (i'm on holiday out here at the moment) had XP installed on all the iMacs in his store, when I asked him why he explained that "Windows XP was better and faster then anything OS X could offer" I sent Apple a nice letter and he no longer sells Apple Hardware
I think it's just plain wrong
Dude, get a life. Why would you give a damn if the guy wants to run XP on his stores iMacs? You seriously went and ratted him out to Apple like a bitch!?!?!?
You should be real proud of yourself on that one. Real proud...
StevoJD
Jul 7 2008, 06:31
Quote - (Ji@nBing @ Jul 7 2008, 01:29)

Dude, get a life. Why would you give a damn if the guy wants to run XP on his stores iMacs? You seriously went and ratted him out to Apple like a bitch!?!?!?
You should be real proud of yourself on that one. Real proud...
I have to agree that's a little mean.

Installing Windows on Macs might actually appeal more to average consumers, since it's something they're likely to be familiar with...
PureLegend
Jul 7 2008, 06:37
Quote - (Chicane-UK @ Jul 6 2008, 13:34)

I use OSX at home all of the time, but have a Windows XP partition specifically so I can reboot and play some games. Oh if only you could buy games natively for OSX I could actually be rid of Windows for good at home!
Steam for Mac. I want it
StevoJD
Jul 7 2008, 06:39
Quote - (PureLegend @ Jul 7 2008, 01:37)

Steam for Mac. I want it

Use Crossover games. Works great for most source games.
rm20010
Jul 8 2008, 01:30
Quote - (Ji@nBing @ Jul 7 2008, 02:29)

Dude, get a life. Why would you give a damn if the guy wants to run XP on his stores iMacs? You seriously went and ratted him out to Apple like a bitch!?!?!?
You should be real proud of yourself on that one. Real proud...
Only Apple's userbase can be so dedicated to their favourite company to rat people out.

But yeah, on second thought, unless he was selling pirated copies of OS X or XP to customers, and UNLESS Apple Authorized Dealers have some condition that they MUST NOT offer an alternative operating system on in-store demo machines (which, as I repeat again, I saw XP installed in an iMac at an Apple Store) what was that for? Just hope that store wasn't his livelihood, because if it was, congrats for being such a <something>.
Esmandau
Jul 8 2008, 02:54
Quote - (StevoJD @ Jul 7 2008, 06:39)

Use Crossover games. Works great for most source games.

can you post a list of some game you just run>?
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