Source: http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/e...e-with-sd-cards

Uh oh

They should enable USB hard drive support... Or release a hard drive addon that's USB.

Dang. That's a very disappointing view.

Man, they really need to sort it out.

SD Card's won't be the solution for everything.

Yeah they should enable some sort of HDD support or something!

The way it sounds to me is that they are asking us to hold-on a little longer, Maybe they are just trying to get some agreement going with a harddrive manufacturer.

man, they act as if they don't care. very dissapointing

Ugh dont go by what this exec said. Miyamoto stated the are working with a couple different alternatives and might announce something in the future.

They are working on it.

Honestly? I hope not.

I want the era of paying $100 for a 20 gig harddrive simply because its programmed with specific firmware to be the ONLY harddrive that will work with said system despite the fact that its a typical off-the-shelf brand to be OVER.

If they add harddrive support I just want Win2k-xp-vista style USB drive support, where just about any usb harddrive or flashdrive you plug in will work.

..... knowing Nintendo though they would rather kill off Mario than not create propitery addons.

From a bussiness perspective (and Nintendo is a business) it makes sense to have a proprietary HDD, or perhaps they just need time to create the infrastrucure needed to get support going( new menu features, rights to use the HDD USB support) By the way does that require payment of royalties like MP3 does?

You can get a 16gig SD card for $50.

That's massive overkill for the kind of downloadable content we have for the Wii.

^ Where in the world are you shopping? At the 2010 store?

16GB SDHC CLASS 6 ADATA : $44.99 @ Fry's.

It's not Panasonic or Sandisk/Lexar, but still - you can get one for less than $50

Fact: Nintendo gave up on hardcore players, they focusing 100% on casual gamers.

Casual gamers wont buy an HDD add-on, therefore, Nintendo wont release one.

The end.

That pretty much sums it up.

I still fail to see how even a hardcore gamer could, on the Wii, fill up more than 16gb.

32gb cards are still over $100, but I'm sure they'll be in the sub-$75 range within a year.

+1
SD cards are more than enough for the Wii.

I have a feeling that even the 20GB HDD is enough for vast majority of the 360 owners.

Homebrew....

to be more precise, you can now play SNES roms on your Wii, if i had a hard drive for it, i could store, every freaking game made for the SNES, as well as other emulated consoles, and homebrew games and apps...

Don't forget that Nintendo also places a retarded 41 game limit on the VC. You should be able to buy as much as you want and have it accessible without deleting/copying. Why couldn't they just allow the SD card to be detected and treated as more blocks to the main system memory?

Fact you have no idea what you are talking about and have done no research to back up your claims.

Nintendo stated outright that they will only show casual games at e3. They also stated they are working on hardcore games. Nintendo in the past has had their own press releases and events in the fall for their hardcore games so we have no reason to believe this wont be the case.

Also is everybody ignoring the fact that miyamoto said they are working on a solution or is everybody just looking for ways to bash nitnendo even if its a complete lie?

To be fair, in regards to homebrew we'll get hard drive support. In fact hard drive support is already enabled for homebrew but it's constrained to USB 1.1 for now - Wii DOES support USB 2.0.

USB 1.1 is enough for homebrew though - The people who want USB 2.0 support are mostly those dreaming of an ISO loader

The Wii is being ripped through on the homebrew front, almost as quickly as the PSP.

First glimpse at custom firmware is already out.

Was there an update so the Wii can use SD cards greater than 2 GB? or SDHC?
2 GB SD cards are about $10 and 1 GB around $6. Thats not bad at all.

Yea I think we have a 1gig in our wii, and i wasnt sure if it was sdhc compatible or not either, still i think 4gigs for the wii is fine (you can buy non sdhc 4gig cards), its not like we are downloading game demos/trailers online, the only time it will be nice is when the dlc starts to come with Guitar Hero, and by then if they dont have SDHC support they should update it by then.

Thats awesome, i dont really keep that up to date with the Wii homebew as with the PSP.

Have to check that out.



Wow, quick on the attacks... i have no idea what im talking about.... ok....

I dont need to do any research, of course i know they must be working on something, but without any announcements, at most we will only be seeing one or two real hardcore titles per year. Does not justify my purchase.

I know i sounded harsh to Nintendo but im just really disappointed with them, i have supported them over the years, even with in the Gamecube era, and as with every console, the games released over the years justify my purchase and with each game im just glad that i bought said console on the release date, but my Wii, its just gathering dust, last time i felt my purchase justified was with Mario Galaxy and while it was extremely good, it wasn't Mario 64 or Zelda OoT, i want those kind of games back, i know Nintendo can do it. (by "those kind of games" i don't mean "Mario or Zelda games" i mean ground breaking experiences like nothing before it, thats why i got excited about the Wiimote to begin with, i was expecting that.)

I AM looking forward to Wario Land Shake and Kirby Super Star for the DS, but thats only 2 titles, one for the Wii.

The only reason i wont sell my Wii is because i know that eventually they will probably release something AAA, well at least i hope so, Iwata didnt sound like he cared too much about it with his announcements.

Yes but you are attacking nintendo with no factual basis. Nintendo gave you :

Super Mario Galaxy
Zelda Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3
Smash bros brawl
Fire emblem
super paper mario,
mario kart,
wario ware
Excite Truck
Mario Strikers
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast

all before 2 years of the wii being out.

You cant really expect them to have games ready to show to the public so soon,.

Thats 11 first party titles and we havent even hit the 2 year mark. The wii only launched in around nov dec 2006. Add wario land and thats 12 .

Come on guys . Why is it that microsoft and sony can get away with less first party games in two years but nintendo can't?

thats 11 nintendo made hardcore games in 21 months so one hardcore game every two months about. Thats not enough for everybody. I even lkeft out the nitnendo made casual games like wii sports, and brain training.

Wether you like all the games on the list i posted they are still hardcore gamer games.

This is better then what nintendo did with the gamecube and people are still complaining.

The largest two SNES games ever released were only 48Mbit, or 6 megs. You could fit 2,731 of them onto a 16gig SD card. Of course, the rest were smaller. Often much smaller: they could be as small as 256kbyte.

Even the largest N64 games are only 64megs. Of course, many were as small as 4 megs!

Odds are that you CAN store every game for the NES, SNES and N64 on a single 16gb card. Even if you can't, you could most likely fit them all on a 32gig one.

In fact, let's do some math. Wikipedia lists 785 SNES games, 810 NES games, and 387 N64 games.

We'll assume an average of 3mb for NES games (Probably massive overkill), and say 32 for N64. NES we'll say 48kb (I didn't see the info in the wikipedia article, and didn't feel like researching further.)

40 megs for NES, 2.3 gigs for SNES, and like 12 gigs for N64.

It fits.

I played some of the titles in your list, the ones im interested in at least which are..
Super Mario Galaxy
Zelda Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3

The rest im just not interested in, Excite truck was horrible, i checked out Wario Ware because i felt in love with Wario in the Game Boy and GBA, but Wario Ware is just another bunch of casual mini games , Donkey Barrel Blast, horrible too..

Smash bros, i reckon there are lots of folks that love it, but im just not interested in it...

And this is the past, what is there to look forward to in the future???

As far as i know, its only a potential Mario/Zelda title which we have not heard anything about(Just that there is work being done... ???), Wario Shake and for third party im interested in Mad World, thats it, what else????

And the reason why Sony/Microsoft can get away with it is because they have much much stronger third party support bringing out awesome AAA titles that can be played for years, from those games you listed the only one i see people playing over and over again for a year is Smash Bros...

And yeah, its better than the Gamecube, but not better than the competitors, i know the Wii its going for Casual audience, but they said clearly on the keynote that they want to target the "core" too, that means that they want me to buy and play Wii games instead of 360/PS3 games, and its just not happening, where are the games??, be it First or third party...



well, thats why i said "Homebrew..." first and then i followed with an example, i just meant have any amount of homebrew, roms for every console, not just 64, SNES, but other platforms too, plus developer tools, demos, community games and tools, etc.

But you are right, a SD should be enough for most things, and as Audio said, there is some sort of way of using a HDD using Homebrew already...

No, for a number of reasons:

1. A huge chunk of that 20GB is already used by the OS. (Only 13GB is available)
2. HD - high definition videos take up a lot of space
3. Demos - again, take up a lot of space
4. The same is true for PS3.

You can't compare the Wii to Xbox 360 (or PS3) when it comes to HDD capacity.

Cyg what about games like conduit , mad world ,call of duty,madden 09 , mario baseball, tiger woods 09, the two star wars games, tom clancy : hawx, guitar hero world tour,sonic unleashed , tales of symphonia all coming out from third parties.

There are hardcore games but people just dont want to admit it. Just because you dont want it doesnt mean other core gamers dont want it so dont count those games out because of it.

If you only have 13 gigs available on a 360 with a 20GB hard drive, then a $50 SD card gives you more space than the 360.

I bought a 16GB SDHC card from Newegg for $50 6 months ago.....

Does the Wii even support SD cards bigger than 2GB?

Can you store your saves and virtual console games on a SD card to begin with?

I own a Wii but I don't have an SD card, lol Fujifilm Camera uses XD

I think you might have to move them there.

Either way, I don't think you can have that many channels up on the Wii at a given time anyway. What do you have? 4 pages of 16?


Emulators, and the Homebrew channel, on the other hand...

Whatever it is they're going to do, they need to do it fast.

This deleting, moving, redownloading crap is getting old.

I never bought any virtual console games because I usually find the ones I like on Xbox Live Marketplace

Well, most "hard core" gamers will do the following:

Conduit "never heard about it, searching, might be good"
Mad Wold "Definitely interested"
Call of Duty "I will be playing CoD4 and maybe the CoD 5 on 360/PC"
Madden "If you have other consoles, you wont be playing the Wii version"
Mario Baseball "Another lame mario sports title, most hard core dont bother with these"
Tiger Woods "Again, if you have another system..."
Star wars game "Might check out The Clone Wars, doesn't look so solid though, gonna be playing Force Unleashed on 360"
Hawx "360/PS3"

and so on...

What i am talking about is the Wii making me turn off my PC/PS3/360, it just isn't, and doesn't look like it will either, and lets be honest, most hard core gamers will have either a PS3 or a 360.

Most of the games on that list give you a better experience on another console (when available), and the rest aren't really guaranteed to rock, i mean, even Star Wars Clone Wars looks like a lame fighting game... (Masters of Teras Kasi for PS1... anyone???), where are the games that are gonna make me buy/play my Wii???

Not to mention that a lot of the games listed above are not Nintendo made. It's a given that game companies will port their franchise to multiple platforms (EA games, CoD), so the argument of those titles can't carry much weight (heck, a lot are still being made for the PS2).

Well, we were talking about third parties with him for a while... still, what im trying to argue is that in the conference they clearly said that they were also targeting to the core.. (which they are not), and i want him to tell me what games are gonna make my Wii compete with my 360/PS3...

Believe me, i will put down my control a couple of weeks (months if it had proper internet) for a F-Zero game, for example..., but no, there is nothing coming out...

By what you just described you will never have any wii games that give you a better experience on the wii. You started out saying that there were no hardcore games then i listed them, then you said but there are no third party hardcore games and you said most of them are better on the other consoles.

You are just looking for a way to bash nintendo. You practically hinted at that since the wii is not a graphics power house you will hate nintendo.

What more do you want from nintendo. They put out 11 games in 21 months that are gamers games. Then you have the third partys putting out some gamers games too and people like you are complaining and make excuses why you dont want the games then bash nintendo and say they are ignoring the gamer.

There are hardcore games out there ignoring them is not a very good argument.

No man, i love Nintedo, as my post above said, i would put down my PS3/360 for weeks or months for the following:

A Kirby game, like the one on N64.
F-Zero with proper Online (probably months of play specially with internet)
A Star Fox game (again with internet it would extend for months)

Just to name a few examples, but we have nothing like that.... yes the games you listed are for the Core, but the Core also has other consoles that they will no doubt prefer to play those games with.


By the Way, my PSP has way better graphics than my DS, but my DS gets a hell of a lot more play, believe me.

Why would Nintendo want to turn it's sell-for-profit hardware that it's selling in droves into a sell-for-loss-gaming-dedicated-PC like MS and Sony?

Nintendo are the ones making money, right now.

Well we are discussing that Nintendo said in the conference that they target all the audiences, Casual and Core

We are talking about their Core business here, im not saying that they should stop doing what made them profitable (that would be ridiculous lol), i just want to know how is the Wii targeting the core... How is the Wii competing with the other core consoles.

My comment is directed at the Topic title and the article in the OP. Sorry to interrupt.

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My point is that what "hardcore console gamers" expect is proving to be less profitable than other avenues.

So, in order to appeal to that "hardcore console gamer" crowd, Nintendo has to attempt to redefine what that type of gamer expects. Especially given that their hardware is limited as far as graphics and stuff goes, compared to other consoles of this generation.

Maybe "core" for the Wii is diffrent from other consoles. Im happy with my Wii, i just need to find Mario Kart without paying some ridiculus price, $70-$150. The $150 price includes thress extra $10 wheels
update: one person is selling Mario Kart Wii for $174, just the game no extra wheels haha.

lol, yeah, we kind of drifted in another direction here, probably should go back on topic hehe.

And all they need to do is release good games, graphics are nice but really are not substitute for gameplay, and gamers know it, there is a reason why there are a heck of a lot more people playing Team Fortress 2 and Counter strike than Crysis...

And whether they've done that already or not is completely subjective.
So you still haven't explained why they've "abandoned hardcore gamers".



If we're going to base such statements on whether you like the games or not, than I could claim that Microsoft and Sony abandoned hardcore gamers.

1. E3....
2. I can count at least 10 games im really looking forward to on other "core" consoles, for Wii, i can only count 2, 3..., and they are maybes, not sure



Good IS subjective, i was just trying to say that they should come out with games that interest the core audience and maintain the interest enough time...., kind of like Smash Bros, but name another one.... Metroid, Zelda, Mario Galaxy/Paper, all of those games, you play them once, maybe twice if you really have a lot of time and then your Wii goes to gather dust again.

And for the coming year, i barely see titles like Smash coming out.

I was hoping they would announce something on the final day of E3, like they did last year with Smash, but alas, E3 is over and nothing announced...

Because some games are avalible for the Wii and other consoles means that Wii abandoned hardcore gamers?

What about it?

Again, how do your personal preferences count for anything when explaining Nintendo's recent trends?

I've corrected your statements. Do you see how anemic your outlook is?

Get your head out of your ass.

What about E3... go watch it, as you probably didnt..., when you are back, tell me about all those awesome AAA titles they announce... yeah im sure they will keep me hooked for years.



Believe me, its not just my outlook, go to Neogaf, Kotaku, Joystiq, hell actually any Blog/Forum where hardcore videogamers go... We own multiple consoles, we want games exclusive to the Wii that make our purchase worthwhile, they didnt announce any, and yes, if the games are available on different platforms i will of course choose the one that gives me the best experience, why would i not????



I was trying to keep a nice discussion going, as it was before that comment, since you feel its necessary to attack me verbally i will not respond any further on this topic, bye.

I tend to consider myself as a "hardcore gamer" and I did watch E3 and was most excited by Nintendo's offerings more so than either Sony or Microsoft. Though I do admit that Fable 2 was the turning point in my decision to get a 360, However I degress. I am looking forward to spending hours upon hours playing animal crossing and now being able to play it with my friends online is going to be great. Not to mention the future games that will take advantage of Motionplus.