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Mr. Dee
Info here:
http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp...379&Group=1

Screenshot:
chAos972
Isn't much of a screenshot. tongue.gif
.statix
lmao that could be just Paint open in Vista.
zerologic
Wow. sleeping.gif
Mr. Dee
Quote - (.statix @ Jul 19 2008, 05:21) *
lmao that could be just Paint open in Vista.

Did you even take a moment to read the accompanying article?
zerologic
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 16:07) *
Did you even take a moment to read the accompanying article?


Quote -
Man, it seems like yesterday that we were dogfooding Longhorn Server. But that’s long gone, and Windows Server 2008 has RTM’d, so it’s time for a break right? Yeah, well, breaks over and there are new toys to play with already. So congratulations to the operations team, the product group, pm’s, and everyone else that has put the effort in to get us to the point where we put the first Win7 domain controller in production:

Build: 6608.winmain_win7m2.080511-1400


No reference to this nonsensical screenshot of nothing.

Perhaps, Mr. Dee you should have posted where you got the screenshot from?
Mr. Dee
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jul 19 2008, 05:37) *
Wow. sleeping.gif

When you are computer illiterate it will be rubbish to you. Besides the fact that Windows client releases build off the Windows Server codebases, the next release of Windows Server is not considered important - how weird. This is a milestone at Microsoft right now, its not an easy thing to get a build of Windows compiled and 'working'. This post is telling us, that the Company has successfully put into production a working build of the next version of Windows Server. If you people appreciated software engineering and the work developers at Microsoft put into developing the software we use everyday there would be less whining and more understanding.

I hope Microsoft filters out most of you who are only joining Windows beta programs just for the 'me too' and 'complimentary software'. I didn't mean to say it, but its the truth.

Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jul 19 2008, 05:42) *
No reference to this nonsensical screenshot of nothing.

Perhaps, Mr. Dee you should have posted where you got the screenshot from?


http://imav8n.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/wel...in/#comment-217
zerologic
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 15:15) *
When you are computer illiterate it will be rubbish to you. Besides the fact that Windows client releases build off the Windows Server codebases, the next release of Windows Server is not considered important - how weird. This is a milestone at Microsoft right now, its not an easy thing to get a build of Windows compiled and 'working'. This post is telling us, that the Company has successfully put into production a working build of the next version of Windows Server. If you people appreciated software engineering and the work developers at Microsoft put into developing the software we use everyday there would be less whining and more understanding.

I hope Microsoft filters out most of you who are only joining Windows beta programs just for the 'me too' and 'complimentary software'. I didn't mean to say it, but its the truth.


Uh yeah, it's predictable and hardly news. And the screenshot means nothing and shows nothing.

I would expect complimentary software. How else would Microsoft repay someone who helps them debug their products?

Kindly refrain from personal attacks. It reflects really poorly on your character. And to me mate, sticks and stones.
Mr. Dee
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jul 19 2008, 05:49) *
Uh yeah, it's predictable and hardly news. And the screenshot means nothing and shows nothing.

I would expect complimentary software. How else would Microsoft repay someone who helps them debug their products?

Kindly refrain from personal attacks. It reflects really poorly on your character. And to me mate, sticks and stones.


Its not predictable, we haven't heard anything concrete on Windows Server 7 except that it exist, a screen and build number proves that the developers are hard at work on it. Yeah its not spectacular news, but which news about Windows 7 right now is spectacular, we haven't seen anything major that will wow us.

If you join a Microsoft beta program voluntararily, Microsoft does not owe you one iota. Get that in your head from now, if you are planning to spend 15 months testing Windows 7 from that, I would refrain going to Microsoft Connect starting now.

I wasn't insulting you, just the comment made.
zerologic
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 17:00) *
Its not predictable, we haven't heard anything concrete on Windows Server 7 except that it exist, a screen and build number proves that the developers are hard at work on it. Yeah its not spectacular news, but which news about Windows 7 right now is spectacular, we haven't seen anything major that will wow us.

If you join a Microsoft beta program voluntararily, Microsoft does not owe you one iota. Get that in your head from now, if you are planning to spend 15 months testing Windows 7 from that, I would refrain going to Microsoft Connect starting now.

I wasn't insulting you, just the comment made.


Seemed predictable to me that there would be a follow on from Windows Server 2008. But OK. We have different viewpoints. That fine.

I don't think I'm going to worry about beta testing Windows 7.
Generally I prefer to wait 12 months after a new Windows release, or SP1 before I install a new Windows on my PC.
I don't like early adoption. Early adoption = tears and grinding of teeth.

Thanks. I could have sworn I was being called a silly noob. laugh.gif
Doom1468
That Windows logo doesn't look right, look at all the white around it.
zerologic
Quote - (Doom1468 @ Jul 19 2008, 17:15) *
That Windows logo doesn't look right, look at all the white around it.


Looks a bit rough and ready..
Mr. Dee
Quote - (Doom1468 @ Jul 19 2008, 06:45) *
That Windows logo doesn't look right, look at all the white around it.

Looks the same on Windows Server 2008. Don't expect any form of comestic changes this early in development, you probably won't see that until the first RC.
mad_onion
that screenshot is SOOO bad and it says a lot about the quality of a thread when most of it is just made up of two people arguing.
Brandon Live
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 18 2008, 22:45) *
When you are computer illiterate it will be rubbish to you. Besides the fact that Windows client releases build off the Windows Server codebases,


Uhh... what?


Quote -
This is a milestone at Microsoft right now, its not an easy thing to get a build of Windows compiled and 'working'. This post is telling us, that the Company has successfully put into production a working build of the next version of Windows Server.


Sigh...
Mr. Dee
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 19 2008, 10:17) *
Uhh... what?




Sigh...


Did I hurt your feelings too? I'm sorry. rolleyes.gif
digitalsoft
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 14:34) *
Did I hurt your feelings too? I'm sorry. rolleyes.gif


From reading your posts, it seems your getting rather defensive over this... why?
Mr. Dee
Quote - (digitalsoft @ Jul 19 2008, 14:44) *
From reading your posts, it seems your getting rather defensive over this... why?


I didn't want to come off that way. I was simply sharing news I found about Windows 7, albeit, the Server edition. People instead choose to misinterpret it as a hoax, they want to see something spectacularly different, when the screenshot showing the Welcome screen is just a normal example. Windows 7 client builds look pretty much like Windows Vista from what we have seen so far, so why expect any different with the Server release? People read too much into it, I was just providing information based on the development progress, a milestone right now.

If I have been offensive to anyone in this thread, my sincere apologies. If I see any other info on the net that looks like real information about Windows 7, I will just leave it like a sleeping dog.

I really expected this thread to generate some good discussion, like what do you think they will be doing with the next release, identity and management and so on.
1759
So they took the Vista post-login, and sloppily pasted in "Windows Server 7" text.

Yeah, I'm totally convinced.
Mr. Dee
Quote - (1759 @ Jul 19 2008, 14:05) *
So they took the Vista post-login, and sloppily pasted in "Windows Server 7" text.

Yeah, I'm totally convinced.


Thats normal, please check out the screenshots from my Windows Server 2008 install in VPC. It seems a lot of persons haven't seen or used Windows Server 2008 yet.


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mad_onion
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 14:54) *
If I have been offensive to anyone in this thread, my sincere apologies. If I see any other info on the net that looks like real information about Windows 7, I will just leave it like a sleeping dog.

I really expected this thread to generate some good discussion, like what do you think they will be doing with the next release, identity and management and so on.


sorry if the thread hasn't generated the response you were hoping for but Windows 7 discussion has already been done to death. there are pages of posts about it when we have virtually no knowledge of what it's going to be like, so if a thread provides no new information (the fact that they are working on windows 7 server is not information as it's obvious) then it isn't going to get a quality respone.

i wouldn't like to think you were put off from posting any future news about windows 7 because of this but just try and make sure it's notable news.
Brandon Live
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 06:34) *
Did I hurt your feelings too? I'm sorry. rolleyes.gif


No, I just think it's bizarre when people pretend to know things they don't.
Mr. Dee
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 19 2008, 19:58) *
No, I just think it's bizarre when people pretend to know things they don't.


You aren't any better. tongue.gif
Brandon Live
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 18:44) *
You aren't any better. tongue.gif


What does that mean?
zerologic
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 20 2008, 12:49) *
What does that mean?


I think. It's just a guess, but Mr. Dee is possibly an former Windows Vista tester and he is just attempting to massage his ego by pretending he's privy to information that no one else has. Therefore making himself feel superior to everyone else; which also coincidentally seems to give him the right to call others stupid if they don't feel the same way about a snippet of possibly misinterpreted information.

A fish.gif to Mr. Dee.
rdxg0d
brandon should know more than all the gubbers in this whole forum...HE WORKS FOR MICROSOFT!!!....BAHAHA
Mr. Dee
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jul 20 2008, 03:28) *
I think. It's just a guess, but Mr. Dee is possibly an former Windows Vista tester and he is just attempting to massage his ego by pretending he's privy to information that no one else has. Therefore making himself feel superior to everyone else; which also coincidentally seems to give him the right to call others stupid if they don't feel the same way about a snippet of possibly misinterpreted information.

A fish.gif to Mr. Dee.


I am not acting superior, I just have respect for technology, authority, software development, love for aesthetically pleasing graphical user interfaces and just beautiful design. I try to fight against the attitude of betas just being a popularity contest. Brandon's few comments in the thread came off a bit condescending thats why I have responded the way I have so far. But don't get the wrong impression of me as a know it all, maybe its just passion I have for Windows and the platform.

I am not privy to any information, I have not written anything in this thread or in this forum that should make anyone think that. The post that started this thread was from a public blog by a Microsoft employee. Again, I have not called anyone stupid, I might have offended your statement, but not the individual.
zerologic
Mr. Dee. Brandon works for Microsoft so most would trust his opinion, I do.
Perhaps you should be less defensive and lofty. happy.gif
Brandon Live
Quote - (Mr. Dee @ Jul 19 2008, 22:12) *
Brandon's few comments in the thread came off a bit condescending thats why I have responded the way I have so far.


I was merely pointing out that some of your information is incorrect or makes little sense. You seemed to be trying to describe the Windows development process without any actual knowledge of said process. This is why I said I was confused.
Mr. Dee
Quote - (zer0L0gic @ Jul 20 2008, 06:03) *
Mr. Dee. Brandon works for Microsoft so most would trust his opinion, I do.
Perhaps you should be less defensive and lofty. happy.gif


I am aware that Brandon works for Microsoft, I have known that a long time, please don't think I have not visited the links in his signature.

Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 20 2008, 07:17) *
I was merely pointing out that some of your information is incorrect or makes little sense. You seemed to be trying to describe the Windows development process without any actual knowledge of said process. This is why I said I was confused.


Never did I go into anything over technical about the development process of Windows in this thread. I just said that building Windows is a difficult thing and you of all persons should know that. Windows Vista is a great example of how difficult it was to build a version of Windows (I don't know if this has changed with Windows 7). The initial work and codebase upon which Longhorn was being built was not stable enough to support the weight of technologies the Company was building the next generation platform on, thats why the reset took place in August of 2004 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 codebase was used. Although my history of this is not technical, I was not emphasizing or trying to detail any technical prowess, just open knowledge in layman terms. For this I gave accolades to the people at the place you work, obviously you would be included, instead you chose to misinterpret what I said as some offense or lack of knowledge. What gives?
xinary
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 20 2008, 03:17) *
I was merely pointing out that some of your information is incorrect or makes little sense. You seemed to be trying to describe the Windows development process without any actual knowledge of said process. This is why I said I was confused.

Brandon you shouldn't have been so condescending and rude in your first reply..

Leaving one word posts that say "Sigh.." only serves raising your post count and being an ass.

I can see why he is being defensive.
Brandon Live
Quote - (xinary @ Jul 20 2008, 21:00) *
Brandon you shouldn't have been so condescending and rude in your first reply..

Leaving one word posts that say "Sigh.." only serves raising your post count and being an ass.

I can see why he is being defensive.


Sorry, you're right. I should have said:

"Dear Mr Dee,
It is evident to me that you are asserting this information as fact, in the manner of an authoritative source, rebuking the comments of others - whilst not truly being in a position of authority on this matter. I do not wish to comment in great detail on as sensitive a topic as an unreleased project that I currenly work on, of which any and all information has been closely guarded. However, I wish to express to others how untrustworthy, incomplete, or inaccurate your statements appear to be, without offending you if at all possible.

Yours always,
Brandon"


On the other hand, sometimes it's easier to just sigh.
offroadaaron
Quote - (xinary @ Jul 21 2008, 14:30) *
Brandon you shouldn't have been so condescending and rude in your first reply..

Leaving one word posts that say "Sigh.." only serves raising your post count and being an ass.

I can see why he is being defensive.


+1

I Agree with you on this. I'd probably get defensive if someone did that. Really makes you look like, hey I know more than you but I'm not going to disclose anything because I'm better.
Budious
Quote - (Brandon Live @ Jul 21 2008, 01:08) *
Sorry, you're right. I should have said:

"Dear Mr Dee,
It is evident to me that you are asserting this information as fact, in the manner of an authoritative source, rebuking the comments of others - whilst not truly being in a position of authority on this matter. I do not wish to comment in great detail on as sensitive a topic as an unreleased project that I currenly work on, of which any and all information has been closely guarded. However, I wish to express to others how untrustworthy, incomplete, or inaccurate your statements appear to be, without offending you if at all possible.

Yours always,
Brandon"


On the other hand, sometimes it's easier to just sigh.


laugh.gif

+1, this thread is stupid.

The OP should go download porn like normal bored persons on the web... blank screenshots of alpha windows... sigh.
Brandon Live
Quote - (offroadaaron @ Jul 20 2008, 22:10) *
+1

I Agree with you on this. I'd probably get defensive if someone did that. Really makes you look like, hey I know more than you but I'm not going to disclose anything because I'm better.


Or just maybe I'm not going to disclose anything because I'd like to keep my job...

Quote - (xinary @ Jul 20 2008, 21:00) *
Brandon you shouldn't have been so condescending and rude in your first reply..


Oh yeah, and the post I was responding to totally wasn't condescending at all...

Quote - (Mr. Dee)
When you are computer illiterate it will be rubbish to you.
-Hiroshi-
... -_-

This is Vista all over again, a thousand or so geeks orgasm over a screenshot. Sooner or later it'll be people stabbing other people in the back for a chance to run an incomplete and buggy build of an OS...

What is the big deal with Windows 7 anyway? It's in dev, so what, so was Chicago, Whistler and Longhorn. It's Windows, so what.. in about three years 60 to 70% of the human population using PC's will be running it anyway..
Hurmoth
This thread is full of useless flaming that just isn't needed. Considering that Brandon works for Microsoft, he probably knows more about Windows than any of some of you ever will. Furthermore, I see no reason to leave this thread open for more people to continue bashing each other.

thread closed
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