The old classix start menu, with the square start button, and the user pic, but i want to replace my square start button, with the new 1... so, id have the old menu with the new button...

There are some requirements an installer would have to meet for it to be effective.

• Would need to be highly compressed so that it isn't much larger than the RAR files.
• Would have to allow for end-user defined installations paths for each "component", as we don't all store our wallpapers and other such items in the same place.
• Would need to be easily updatable, so that newer versions of any of the components could be included without much hassle.
• Would, if possible, allow for subsequent removal of specified, or all, components.

Another thought on this would be to have an installer that downloaded the various components as they were specified, so that the end-user would always be able to obtain the most recent versions (often referred to as a web-based installer, similiar to Windows Update).

I can make it launch on install, and update/exclude certain files from overwrite/delete.. etc.

It will only be a tad more, maybe 100kb or so larger than RAR but I will see what I can do if you'd like me too.

I can rebuild the installer each time the files are sent to me, just specficy which to update/exclude and overwrite/delete and stuff.

Hi all,

Just uploaded a bunch of Classix inspired skins for YzDock, Rainlendar, Colorpad, Sticker, and Samurize in the customization forum

Screenshot

enjoy

-thetruth

Nice work on trying to come up with a full installer

Well,
I am going to get to work once I reformat.

Please? Can you just wait and let me give it a shot. I should be reformmated and have the insaller by 10:00PM EST or an alpha.

I'll send the alpha to saint-dark and giga.

What jester said or something very close to it otherwise forget it, we could just add detailed installation instructions in the FAQ and direct people to it. I don't want to worry about not having the installer version current with the archived one.

Nevermind, Someone else can try.

I mean, I can do the 1st.. 2nd I think... 3rd... but not the 4th

can any1 help me with my question?

Nice skins. Thanks!

I don't think there's a way you're gonna get the old start menu now. Sorry.

i'm eager to see that installer..

Gigatexel: you might want to lighten up the ergonomic scheme a bit, it's a bit too dark IMHO. Watercolor ergonomic uses a really nice shade of blue (78,113,167), why don't you try that one? Here's a screenshot.

I took the color from the watercolor ergonomic version

I think you used the disabled caption bar color, that's the darker blue shade. Darker blue on the active caption (to the right of the mosaic) looks better IMHO.

Yeah Saint made the ergonomic color scheme and though it's a shade darker it looks fine to me. Anyway the colors are final, I don't plan on going through that black/purple fiasco again.

as per most of the posts at the mo, different people like different colours, shades etc, but then if giga did change the ergo colours, every skin theme added to the classix stuff would have to modifed to mirror the change . So I do not think it should be as the are now the FINAL colours, and I like the ergo one my self very nice, good works guys:)

PS: at the mo I have gone classix mad, my home pc, laptop and work pc all are running it, all the people who see it here thinks it leet, thanks again guys for all your hard work, everyone who has added to the classix works

Oh, and forgot for those who want it I have the following winamp sig. images for those who use it
if ppl want the other colours, i can see what I can do

Small



med.



big



all you need to do is save them over your orignal images, and you have the ones like me:)

1) the compression is no problem.
2) the paths.... can't (well I can't) do that with InstallShield.
3) well only possible if you have the InstallShield compiler.
4) no problem.

I can program an Installer in Delphi which can do all of this, but it will take some time to make that.

Well if there is any interest let me know.... else I won't even start.

EDIT: I see RaQ gives up on it.... bummer

Forget installshield...

All of these are rather easily do-able (except for the web-update one maybe) with the NSIS installer (made by the winamp people):

Nullsoft "SuperPiMP" Install System

It's really easy to pick-up, and there is a fairly large community of people who use it on the winamp forums as good resource for learning it.

-b

i've puted them on the themes file. but still unable to get it work. maybe it's mine uxthemepatch.dll problem

seeya, you can not veiw any themes? or just the classix ones?

If you can not view any, have you tried the file I posted a couple of pages back?

i cannot view the classix 1 ... i haven't try wat u says ... cause there is too many pages on this thread. can u copy and either PM it to me or reply in here! thanks!

A Delphi installer. That could be cool.

what's wrong with delphi?

When did I say something was wrong? I love it! If approved by Gigatexel, I really hope you go for it.

<- Because of that looks kinda sarcastic to me. Sorry just misunderstood.
I'll take a look at it tonight when I finish work, but I already do have some ideas how to make it flexible and update friendly.

Nah. That smiley was because we have an evil VS Classix plan that no other VS could dream of! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...HAHAHAHA...HAHA...erm...ha...okay. I'll stop.

ok TheReaperMan. i've found the post that u says. u mean the theme.dll ... okay. i will update it when i'm finish downloading mine stuffs

Funny you should mention a Delphi installer... while it won't meet the strict requirements I think are needed, I've been using Inno Setup by Jordan Russell for what seems like years.

Well a good scripter can do magic with InstallShield Developer 8, but since I'm not that good with InstallShield (I always use the express version) that ain't an option for me.

I am a good Delphi programmer though (made a MSN Messenger client, and a Radeon tweaker (Radeonator) for example). So basicly what I can do is make an installer especially made for Classix.
It will give me the option to make the looks exactly how I (or Gigatexel for that matters) want it. Plus I can make it very flexible so updating is a matter of draggin and dropping some extra folders and edit a simple INI file.

It will probably take me some weeks to make such a thing, but I have some time right now... so if that isn't a problem, then I'm willing to make such a thing.

One thing though, like I said it is gonna take a while.... so basicly I would be kinda ******ed of if when I finish this in let's say 3 weeks and it turns out that suddenly some other person drag 'n dropped an InstallShield/Wise/Inno Setup installer which makes mine obsolete.

So I must know if there is a demand for this or not, but I guess you understand that. I'm not gonna put my time in this if in the end no-one is gonna use it.

Ok, seriously, why reinvent the wheel? NSIS installer will do all that you want... and you can probably get it finished in an hour or two, not weeks. You can even radically customize the way the installer looks.

-b

Fine with me too.

EDIT: seems I can't do it anyways. I was offered a pretty interesting project today (webgraphics, 3d modelling).... so it looks like that is taking up my time in the next couple of weeks. Maybe later...

I'm not very familiar with the NSIS installer beyond the basics and what I've seen in the relatively few very simple installers that I've seen employ it.

So by your, beeboo, comments I'm assuming it allows for each component to be installed to a specific directory specified by the end-user at the time the installer is run (run-time)? This is probably one of the most important requirements as I'm sure most of us don't place everything in the same places (such that I have all my wallpapers in one directory).

Does it also allow for web installs, in such that it can download the most recent copy of a particular file/component for installation?

I'm going to check out the features of it anyhow, just wondered if you or anyone else knew the answers to these two questions off-hand.

Edit: Here's the link to the Nullsoft "SuperPimp" Install System (NSIS), for those that are involved and want to take a look over it. Seems that they've added some features since the last time I used it. Just might work...

This has got to be the largest thread on Neowin!

I wonder what is...

Nevermind Guys, I got it workin, heres a screenie... Old Start Menu with new Start Button, thats all...

Yep, I believe it can do both those things, but getting it to do web-install could require a bit of work. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one installer use NSIS and do web install

* beeboo checks...

Yep:
Phoenix Installer

The 3rd party install program for the Phoenix browser has a web installer in beta... So it's at least do-able.

I haven't used NSIS very much, but like I said in my first post, you can get a basic installer up and running in at least an hour or two.

-b

spykes what shell is that? is that gnome shell? did you tweak it yourself? can i have it? =]

Justinpward: Nope its just the bluecurve icons... I changed them all myself... No Shell involved... took a while, but just manually changed all icons... i also used iconpackger... and changed some of my app icons, click on desktop in my sig to see... hope that helps

thanks.

/me begins looking for the bluecurve icons. =]

I'm sure making a separate program like Classix Updater wouldn't be too hard to do in any coding language. I think I'm gonna get into VB .Net soon (start with the basics (I think )). I'm sure making something start on launch, connect to a central server (or choosing a mirror to connect to) to check for updates shouldn't be THAT hard, should it? Maybe I'm sounding dumb here, so I'll stop.

do you see the 'OK' button in the pic? that's what the default button is whenever i open something and it has buttons on it. it's like it's loading in reverse order, or is that how it's supposed to be? the mouse is not hovered over it, that's how it is when i open it.

gigatexel or saint dark: this is just a request but could you please make the orange more orange instead of the neon color it is? i know there are alot of orange fans out there and orange+pixels=heaven

@ snively - This is the correct display for a default button, no need to worry. For the most part, if the theme looks a certain way, that's the way it was intended to appear. The theme itself is rather mature from a development standpoint and there are very few bugs left. Those that do remain are either related to items that occur rarely or a trivial in nature.

@ aitf311 - It's doubtful any of the colors will be changed. gigatexel has stated a few times already that he doesn't want to have to go back and change any after having to do so with the Black color scheme. I agree the orange is a tad bright, however these are the colors that were choisen and from what I understand they most likely will not be changing.

Any chance of doing a boot screen? login screen?

login screen would be cool.

My winamp controls.

What do you think of them?

a login would be very cool!
@ justinpward heres the bluecurve's http://knite.net/~rivak/ I stumbled over this addy if its a violation please remove it.

Due to time constraints on my part I've had to set some priorities as far as my design work goes, sadly the Classix web site is one of the first on the chopping block so to speak. However if gigatexel still wants a site created, I would be more than willing to provide the space and any work I've completed thus far (basically a rough Photoshop design) to whomever might pick up the task.

Apologies all around for the delay and now this.

Hmm...

Oh, BTW, I've picked up my Step-by-Step book for Visual Basic and I've started to teach myself. I could create an installer pretty soon. A Web Updater would come second.