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BeauBridges
The ONLY reason that I do not use Google Chrome is for one reason and one reason only. The font smoothing, it's is horrid. Even when I run GDI++ in the background (software that makes fonts very smooth) the fonts are still sharp and choppy. Is there any way I can get Google Chrome's fonts smoother? Like in FireFox or Safari?

It seems like the 3rd party software only helps Firefox and Safari a little, seeing how Safari already has a built in font smoother. You can see what I mean below.

Google Chrome:


Firefox:


Safari:


Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
Antaris
Unlike Safari (which uses its own Text renderer [which itself is ported from Mac OSX]), and Firefox (which again, now uses Cairo I believe to handle Text rendering), Chrome uses the native OS's Text renderer. Check to see if you have ClearType enabled and see if that makes a difference.
The_Decryptor
Firefox uses GDI to render text, same method Chrome (and Safari with a config option) uses.

So, Chrome should "just work", I wonder why it isn't.
BeauBridges
Quote - (Antaris @ Jul 14 2009, 05:41) *
Unlike Safari (which uses its own Text renderer [which itself is ported from Mac OSX]), and Firefox (which again, now uses Cairo I believe to handle Text rendering), Chrome uses the native OS's Text renderer. Check to see if you have ClearType enabled and see if that makes a difference.


Yeah I got ClearType, I even downloaded the power toy from Microsoft's website to even make the ClearType more noticable. Google Chrome still has problems with font smoothing.
eDenE
I feel like the font rendering in Chrome looks so much better than the others (from the screenshot at least).

What you see on Chrome is the expected result with ClearType enabled. You will notice the difference if you disable ClearType. I think you must have done something to Firefox to change its default font rendering (the font is shorter as well).
Astrophizz
The latest versions of GDI++ work with Chrome natively. Before then you had to set Chrome to run as a single process with some commandline option that I can't remember. Just get a newer version from http://free.flop.jp/gdi++/ (I'm using gdi0885.7z which has the nifty gditray.exe) and you should be good to go.
soumyasch
How did you get Firefox to use the horrid headache-inducing font renderer that Safari 3 uses?
The_Decryptor
GDI++

I played around with it for a bit last time and it worked well (bold fonts looked much better), but it always managed to break in some way (like font metrics being mis-reported so text drew at half width)
Hitchhiker427
This thread confuses me.

1) I'm on Firefox right now. My fonts look nothing like the ones in your screenshot. My font rendering looks like your Google Chrome screenshot. Are you sure that's a screenshot from Firefox? If so, what version?

2) I'm a little confused by what your request is. Do you WANT those bold, blurry fonts from your Firefox and Safari screenshots? They look absolutely terrible, so I'm assuming that this isn't the case. I'm guessing that your fonts are blurry for some reason, and you're trying to fix it? I dunno.

So, did you get your screenshots mixed up or something? Nothing about the OP makes sense to me.
i_was_here
1. I think the OP is using GDI++ to make Firefox fonts look like that.

2. Some people like the OSX style font smoothing believe it or not.

Anyways I would try Astrophizz's advice and update GDI++.
-KJ
@ Hitchhiker427

Quartz renders text truer to the font at the cost of looking blurrier than Cleartype.
There are people who like it this way and some that don't. It's all a matter of personal preference.
Audioboxer
Quote - (Astrophizz @ Jul 16 2009, 14:20) *
The latest versions of GDI++ work with Chrome natively. Before then you had to set Chrome to run as a single process with some commandline option that I can't remember. Just get a newer version from http://free.flop.jp/gdi++/ (I'm using gdi0885.7z which has the nifty gditray.exe) and you should be good to go.


Do you know if there's anyway to get GDI++ working with a 64bit operating system?

32 bit applications work fine, but things like windows explorer and what not obviously don't.

Thanks
Hitchhiker427
Quote - (psygn @ Jul 21 2009, 11:35) *
@ Hitchhiker427

Quartz renders text truer to the font at the cost of looking blurrier than Cleartype.
There are people who like it this way and some that don't. It's all a matter of personal preference.


Yeah, I've known that OSX has blurrier fonts, but I didn't know that the screenshot was showing the OSX rendering. I didn't remember the OSX fonts being THAT blurry, so I was thrown off, thinking something was unintentional with the font rendering. Additionally, I've never seen a side-by-side shot before. It's quite a stark difference.
The_Decryptor
That's a certain configuration for Freetype that makes them fairly blurry.
TonyLock
Actually, based on your example, the Font Smoothing is 100% perfect for Chrome. That the way it should be, chrisp, clear and legible.
The_Decryptor
If he was aiming for Windows style smoothing, then yes it would be correct, but he's not.

Even then, we're talking about the wrong thing really, the screenshots show the same style of smoothing but different kinds of hinting (Windows hinting, some Freetype configuration and then OS X hinting).

The hinting people prefer is subjective, I prefer OS X's since it keeps the letter forms more accurate while not being overly fuzzy (i.e. no hinting), but then again at the distance I'm sitting from my monitor the glyphs still look "crisp".
spitphire
I have the same problem. I have clear type enabled and my font settings are identical in firefox & chrome. I use winxp. Here are some screenshots which you can clearly see the difference in, you will have to click on the images to view them full size otherwise you won't see the differences...

Any suggestions?
Kirkburn
Quote - (spitphire @ Jul 26 2009, 15:52) *
I have the same problem. I have clear type enabled and my font settings are identical in firefox & chrome. I use winxp. Here are some screenshots which you can clearly see the difference in, you will have to click on the images to view them full size otherwise you won't see the differences...

Any suggestions?

Looks like Chrome is using the old Windows font smoothing technique, and Firefox is using ClearType.
Orien
Quote - (Kirkburn @ Aug 4 2009, 08:06) *
Looks like Chrome is using the old Windows font smoothing technique, and Firefox is using ClearType.

Yeah, Chrome isn't using ClearType in that screenshot.
The_Decryptor
The only browser in those screenshots that is actually using ClearType is Chrome (that's the whole point of the thread, he doesn't want Chrome to use GDI font rendering and instead use GDI++)

Firefox is using GDI++, and Safari is using it's own font rendering system.
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