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[quote name='TEX4S' timestamp='1313464370' post='594237150']
sw1tch - let me send you my intern and he can waste even more of your time !! He is going to be a Junior @ Texas A&M in Comp Sci and has to tell me at least 10x a day about how Microsoft is evil and he will change our billion dollar company over to all linux - I just say "shut up and go get my dry cleaning you idiot !" :D well - I do tell him to shut up
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When he is about, oh, 40 or so he will realize Microsoft is money hungry not evil. Microsoft does make a good product, although sometimes they do release crap as do every corporation in any industry where there is significant change between models/products/years. Look at the big Toyota flop or any car manufacturer. If you don't load you pc up with crap/trials/pirated software it actually runs as expected. Many microsoft servers are up for months at a time and the only time they go down is due to updates. True *nix doesn't need to go down as frequently and just runs, but it isn't really a gui that stays running constantly now is it? Server 2008 has an option to run in core mode (no gui) but requires the admin to really know and understand the power shell, and I believe many things server are going to the powershell to be able to function....exchange is hybrid (needs ps to function, some things have been stripped from the gui, and can use gui to run certain admin functions..but everything can be done in the ps).

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[quote name='TEX4S' timestamp='1313464370' post='594237150']
sw1tch - let me send you my intern and he can waste even more of your time !! He is going to be a Junior @ Texas A&M in Comp Sci and has to tell me at least 10x a day about how Microsoft is evil and he will change our billion dollar company over to all linux - I just say "shut up and go get my dry cleaning you idiot !" :D well - I do tell him to shut up
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Oh god I hate those know-it-all douches.

You should tell him to leave and can only come back when he has a clue.

Oh, and all back up software is complete ****. It's amazing considering how important back ups are. Why the **** can't anyone make decent backup software?!?!?!

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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1314197007' post='594258990']
Oh, and all back up software is complete ****. It's amazing considering how important back ups are. Why the **** can't anyone make decent backup software?!?!?!
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A cynical person would call all backup software a bunch of glorified copiers. Backups by themselves are not important. Restores, on the other hand, are crucial. From a pesky spreadsheet that some twit in finance/human resources has deleted to a sensitive document that legal are requesting because someone is suing and a huge fine will be imposed if information is not disclosed.

There is decent backup software out there, such as Backup Exec, Simpana, NetBackup etc. From my experience, at least with those 3, it's not the software's fault most of the time.

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[quote name='vanx' timestamp='1314201032' post='594259142']
A cynical person would call all backup software a bunch of glorified copiers. Backups by themselves are not important. Restores, on the other hand, are crucial. From a pesky spreadsheet that some twit in finance/human resources has deleted to a sensitive document that legal are requesting because someone is suing and a huge fine will be imposed if information is not disclosed.

There is decent backup software out there, such as Backup Exec, Simpana, NetBackup etc. From my experience, at least with those 3, it's not the software's fault most of the time.
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If it werent for the necessity of quality log files (and the ability to copy db objects), copies would do just fine.

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Thanks for all your comments - sc302 - I sure hope you change your mind about computer associates and the nukes - I think their (old ?) HQ is about 20 miles from me - that whole ground zero thing would kinda suck -- now a tactical nuke ? oh god that would be great - a huge norton office is across the street - as well as McAfee I think - there is an area in Plano and a ton of corporate HQ are next to one another (EDS, Perot Systems (now Dell), JC Penney - we'll just wipe the slate clean and start over. :D

I setup BEX2010 to do my 1st complete backup to the LTO tape robot thingy (ArcVault12). It was scheduled to start @ 12:00 noon this past Saturday - I was too busy to go up to the office this weekend - so I have my fingers crossed all went as planned. The server it [i]hopefullly[/i] backed up is one of, if not [i]the[/i] main server... :huh:

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sorry but a town that accepts computer associates as a resident needs to also be cleansed of their stupidity. :p

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[quote name='sc302' timestamp='1314617223' post='594269070']
sorry but a town that accepts computer associates as a resident needs to also be cleansed of their stupidity. :p
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:blink: uh oh - just give me 24 hr heads up - thats all I need LOL

I wanted to update this thread to say thank you to all who have helped. I did my 1st live backup w/ LTO on one of our big servers, and when I got in on Monday - my boss was smiling from ear to ear - because everything I setup ran flawlessly. (he has been told by 2 of my predecessors that Backup Exec WILL NOT WORK - and to use (get this) Acronis True Image.... uhhhh.... it might be great for your desktop @ home - but its hardly an Enterprise software.

Regardless, Thank You gentlemen - your tips and thoughts have helped.

sc302 - The ArcVault12 we have (tape robot) is pretty slick - I doubt it has anything to do with Arcserve - as a matter of fact - it is by Overland Storage I think...

go ahead with the nukes - :cool:

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True Image is a enterprise solution but their licensing business model blows ass....blows it out more than backup exec. 800 to 1200 per server. At least backup exec gives you an agent license for 600. Either way imo it is a ridiculous cost for copying.

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I'm glad it worked out for you TEX4S. Let me know if you need any help.

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for VMWare backups I recommend Veeam.

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First off do not nule computer associates headquaters as its on long island and thats where i live. lol



Also backup exec 2010 is not as bad as people say. It backups clusters being used as hyper-v storage that a lot of backup programs cannot backup. We have been using ultrabac here and I asked to convert to backup exec as thats what I am used to and I am glad I did.


PS I was able to get 2010 r3 for $100 and all its agents and options and unlimited machines since we are a library. Not many companies will do that.

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[quote name='majortom1981' timestamp='1315865166' post='594304622']
First off do not nule computer associates headquaters as its on long island and thats where i live. lol


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Get them to move out and you won't have an issue :p. Start petitioning, there are less than 5 people/companies that are on my nuke off the face of the earth and their surrounding areas list.

The douche that just cut me off doesn't make that list, he can be taken out with a sniper (just so you see that you have to royally screw me to get on my nuke list, fker was 5 cm from impact.).

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[quote name='sc302' timestamp='1315867755' post='594304692']
Get them to move out and you won't have an issue :p. Start petitioning, there are less than 5 people/companies that are on my nuke off the face of the earth and their surrounding areas list.

The douche that just cut me off doesn't make that list, he can be taken out with a sniper (just so you see that you have to royally screw me to get on my nuke list, fker was 5 cm from impact.).
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LOL

OK Ive got a deal for you - you hire me to do the sniper kills (I do competition precision shooting on the weekends sometime) and in exchange for the contract killing - you'll give me 24 hours to get the hell out of Dallas before it glows in the dark.

FYI: Cowboys Stadium in the rancid cesspool known as Arlington, TX - should be "ground zero"

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1315864513' post='594304598']
for VMWare backups I recommend Veeam.
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I can't recommend it at all. It only supports VMware with no love for Hyper-V. It doesn't protect physical machines. It doesn't support tape and cloud for storage. Veeam claim that Backup Exec does not support agent-less backups of guest VMs, which is rubbish. I could go on, but I feel that I made my prima facie case...

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