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Yes, because that's exactly what's been said...

You are right, I'm guess they didn't exactly say those things, but they sure are blaming the girl...

They are rated #1 for dogs that will not attack a human when provoked.

Nearly always when an animal attacks a kid, the kid has done something to provoke it.

The story doesn't cover exactly what the girl did to the dog. More than likely the girl did something to provoke the dog to bite her.

There was more to the story, that living being had a reason for biting.

Would be willing to bet ANY amount this is what happened as stated by Sionic Ion:

"pulls her dog's ears, nose, and smacks it randomly,"

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There is no blind dog loving. There is knowledgeable people posting opinions. If you want to try and discredit an others opinion by calling them "blind", you are not showing much class towards this. Post your opinion and move on. But to call someone blind because they actually have knowledge about dog breeds and behavior is immature. No one has sided with the dog, but plenty of us can understand and see situations that could occur in this instance. Since all the facts have no been presented in this, you can not just assume any one case is right.

But "general breed knowledge" and knowledge of this dog, they are two very different things so to call it bull**** like many dog lovers in this thread are doing is absurd.

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The grandpa was wrong for not looking after the child AND the dog owner was wrong by not keeping his dog away from children when he knows that teh dog can be agressive.

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Dog should have been on a leash with the owner under supervision while in public.

Girl should have been on a leash with the grandfather under supervision at any time.

Both parties are at fault. At worst, the dog should have been put down the proper way, or at the least be forced to take obedience classes. Why didn't the grandfather care for the child and instead went out of his way to stab the dog? If the girl needed all that to have her lip fixed, why was getting revenge on an animal more important? I'd say he should be barred from carrying weapons in public if his first option of reaction is to stab something. Bad choices on both sides of the issue though.

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My mother owned a dog breeding business, and while the different breads did tend to act in their own certain way, every once in a while we would run into a problem dog. Most of the german sheperds we had were extremely laid back, and yet we had one that we had to have put down because of how aggressive it was and how it attacked people for no reason. I am not going to jump to conclusions until I hear more.

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I can not help but laugh at these blind dog lovers. A dog bit a 4 year old child and you guys are indifferent. I would love to see your reaction had an strange dog attacked your your child, sibling or family members. You guys are speaking of the bread of the dog but that is irrelevant since you do not know THIS dog that did the attacking.

I am with the granddad on this one.

Why wasn't the granddad watching the kid more carefully? And no where in the story does it say what the kid did to the dog.

Sure you could probably find stories of dogs going insane and running around biting people, but how many times does that happen? Nearly all of the time the dog gets pushed too far before it does something. For all you know the kid could have been beating the **** out of the dog with a baseball bat but you don't know that do you?

Yes the dog should have been on a leash when out in a very public area but the question still remains why didn't the grandfather stop her? Would you let your kid run upto a strangers dog or even a stray dog without carefully watching him/her?

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If the dog owner stabbed the grandfather for attacking his dog, would it be justified?

That's the same logic as the grandfather used to attack the dog..

Stupid ****.

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I like how whenever a city or state bans pitbulls because they have been breed to be naturally aggressive and have quite an extensive record to prove it. All these people come flying to the defense saying that its not possible for them to be born like that and has nothing to do with the breed. Then when a golden retriever bites someone those same people come to the defense saying that its not possible because they were breed to be calm and not aggressive towards humans. So basically you people are saying dogs can only be breed to be nice and not mean, or at least when it fits your argument.

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I like how whenever a city or state bans pitbulls because they have been breed to be naturally aggressive and have quite an extensive record to prove it. All these people come flying to the defense saying that its not possible for them to be born like that and has nothing to do with the breed. Then when a golden retriever bites someone those same people come to the defense saying that its not possible because they were breed to be calm and not aggressive towards humans. So basically you people are saying dogs can only be breed to be nice and not mean, or at least when it fits your argument.

A passion for dogs will do this to the most sane person, its rather sad really.

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From the sound of it most of you would have just let the dog eat up your child

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Grandpa and dog's owner be thrown in jail.

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I like how whenever a city or state bans pitbulls because they have been breed to be naturally aggressive and have quite an extensive record to prove it. All these people come flying to the defense saying that its not possible for them to be born like that and has nothing to do with the breed. Then when a golden retriever bites someone those same people come to the defense saying that its not possible because they were breed to be calm and not aggressive towards humans. So basically you people are saying dogs can only be breed to be nice and not mean, or at least when it fits your argument.

I like how you say "you people" like all dog lovers share the same opinion :rolleyes: Was it actually the same people who said that pitbulls can't be bred to be mean that also said golden retrieves are bred to be calm?

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From the sound of it most of you would have just let the dog eat up your child

No, I would teach my child not to mess with animals.

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The man should be fined, it is not his place to stab the dog. I could see if the dog was attacking his grand daughter but it sounds like this was just a "revenge" stabbing. He should have contacted the Police or animal control, chances are the dog will be put to sleep so the stabbing was just cruel.

Edit - Also agree that the adult should not have let the child walk up to a dog without asking the owner first. Common sense.

Edit #2 - after reading the "breed" comments, all dogs can/will bite if provoked.

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I'll trust a dog over a human almost any day.

After reading this, I actually have skipped over all of your posts.

Like I said, Im with the grandfather. Was the stabbing excessive? Might have been. A kick or a push would have been enough but you have to understand if the girl was attacked, the reaction of hate and anger was normal.

The owner should be fined.

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100% against the grandfather.

Let a child in your care close enough to any unknown dog, you are at fault for what happens next.

I like dogs, I trust many dogs. I don't know anything about that dog other than it is an animal with the capability to either attack or misjudge it's friendliness.

Stabbing the dog is wholly out of order!

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After reading this, I actually have skipped over all of your posts.

Like I said, Im with the grandfather. Was the stabbing excessive? Might have been. A kick or a push would have been enough but you have to understand if the girl was attacked, the reaction of hate and anger was normal.

The owner should be fined.

Awesome. I'd rather have those who aren't closed minded and know a thing about the world to read what I post. If you knew anything about dogs, you would understand their behaviors and actions, and be able to tell basically when a dog is scared, afraid, happy, or mad. All dogs basically show the same signs for the same emotions.

Understand your surroundings, and you will be less fearful of the world. Understand the world, and you can conquer anything.

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Good, dog severely bit a child.

Encountered so many irresponsible dog owners in my last job, some are just delusional.

Not having grown up with dogs, and only having friends with well-trained dogs, has given me some bias here. If I'm honest I wouldn't care if dogs ceased to exist.

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After reading this, I actually have skipped over all of your posts.

Lol how come? How many stories have you heard of dogs attacking other humans or dogs? Quite a few probably. Now compare that to the amount of stories you hear about humans attacking other animals or humans.

Just because humans have evolved more hasn't stopped some of us from acting way worse than animals.

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Golden Retrievers are the nicest dogs , period. They are rated #1 for dogs that will not attack a human when provoked. Just look at any dog temperament charts and studies. http://www.dogbreedslists.com/golden-retriever-golden-retriever-puppies.html I wouldn't be surprised if the little girl had done something to the dog to make him react as such. I have a golden, and I know not all dogs are the same, but retrievers are some of the nicest and gentlest dogs.
Oh please. No one would even say that if this was a pitbull, rotty, german shep or any other dog. It's the dog owners fault for not properly socializing the dog.

I'm with the Grandfather on this one.

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Oh please. No one would even say that if this was a pitbull, rotty, german shep or any other dog. It's the dog owners fault for not properly socializing the dog.

Too right it is. My parents had an American Pit Bull Terrier about a year or two before I was born, and he was a really nice kind gentle dog. Unfortunately, not too long after I was born, they were forced to put him down, because the UK government suddenly banned ownership of them (any Pit Bull Terriers, along with three other breeds of dog; Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, and Fila Brasileiro). There was no true justification for banning them either; there were a few reported incidents in the papers involving those breeds, but it was simply a piece of rushed legislation which was an overreaction to a transient public mood; essentially, the papers sensationalised the incidents, and the government kowtowed to the ignorant public's outcry, and because of that, many peaceful dogs were unnecessarily killed.

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Wow the blind dog hate in this thread is fairly disgusting. In truth none of us were there so we can't speak for the dog or the people, but from the wording of the article it seems that the dog nipped at the child's lip and that was the end of the "attack" - At which point the grandfather grabbed a knife and stabbed the dog. That's not decent or civilized behavior. If the dog is aggressive it's the dog owner's fault for not watching it closely enough, if the girl did something to the dog to make it react that way it's the grandfather's fault for not watching her, it's never her fault because she's 4. It's completely unacceptable however for the grandfather to attempt to kill the dog, so I'm inclined to believe that since he doesn't know better about that he probably wasn't watching his grandchild too closely.

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Never let any children near a strange animal. I thought everyone with any sense knew that.

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100% against the grandfather.

Let a child in your care close enough to any unknown dog, you are at fault for what happens next.

I like dogs, I trust many dogs. I don't know anything about that dog other than it is an animal with the capability to either attack or misjudge it's friendliness.

Stabbing the dog is wholly out of order!

I agree. It is pure stupidity and ignorance to allow your granddaughter to get anywhere near a strange dog.

That idiot shold not be allowed to take care of his granddaughter if he just allows her to walk up to any dog wherever she is.

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im with shakey..... girl most of done something... i feel bad for the dog not the girl.

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