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Wow... that's too bad (N)

At first they can't incorporate it at all (WinFS) and then they make it server-exclusive.

Well, who knows what it's good for... :/

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Well, if it's called Resilient File System, I guess that lessens the chances for me as to whether it's WinFS. I thought the, "Re," was for, "Relational."

EDIT: Also, wasn't Protogon in the leaked client builds?

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I have doubts on this "rumor". It appeared as a fully functional feature in the drive management function of a client build, that means the user can format a drive in ReFS, then found the drive is useless? Doesn't sound reasonable to me. :(

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Quite possible. Maybe it's designed for Server 2012's Storage Pools and Storage Spaces features.

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I have doubts on this "rumor". It appeared as a fully functional feature in the drive management function of a client build, that means the user can format a drive in ReFS, then found the drive is useless? Doesn't sound reasonable to me. :(

Just because a feature appeared in a build doesn't mean it'll stay there until final.

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Looks like something like this will push RAID even further down the food chain!

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Quite possible. Maybe it's designed for Server 2012's Storage Pools and Storage Spaces features.

Just because a feature appeared in a build doesn't mean it'll stay there until final.

Yeah, I know, but all of this atm are just rumors and speculations, guess we just have to wait and see.

btw, I got a unconfirmed(repeat: unconfirmed) tip-off: the beta is expected to be installable on ReFS, and also expects to install and run faster. So, let's see how things would develop. :/

Edit: I don't exactly know what canouna meant by "work great"; just have to wait for more infos.

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I'd use it to play Bethesda games.

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I hope they include they hash type security/integrity on files similar to ZFS, as i think this would be the biggest feature to stop data rot.

It may be server only as like ZFS it may have some heavy requirements, if so then the small percentage of users who might benefit might not have been a compelling reason to bump the requires from say 1GB to 4GB (example).

Im still a big fan of NTFS, with the upgrades they have done over the years there is plenty of life in the FS and i don't see it disappearing to soon. My only wish was that the specification for NTFS was open so Linux and Mac users could have proper read write access to it, i would use it on all devices, from USB Sticks to External Hard Disks instead of ExFAT.

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Yeah, I know, but all of this atm are just rumors and speculations, guess we just have to wait and see.

btw, I got a unconfirmed(repeat: unconfirmed) tip-off: the beta is expected to be installable on ReFS, and also expects to install and run faster. So, let's see how things would develop. :/

Edit: I don't exactly know what canouna meant by "work great"; just have to wait for more infos.

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From what it sounds like he is running a newer build and it is running off ReFS already - I have a feeling it will be in the client version but only used in specific case scenarios rather than it being the default.

Regarding people invoking ZFS - I suggest they look at the file system, or better still use it with Solaris 11 then come back and say, "sure, that'll have no problems running on a 32bit computer with 2GB of memory".

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Only feature i am excited about with Windows 8/Server, right now.

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Only feature i am excited about with Windows 8/Server, right now.

You're not excited about lower resource usage?

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I hope they include they hash type security/integrity on files similar to ZFS, as i think this would be the biggest feature to stop data rot.

"Checksums (64-bit) are always turned on for ReFS metadata, and assuming that the volume is hosted on a mirrored Storage Space, automatic correction is also always turned on. All integrity streams (see below) are protected in the same way. This creates an end-to-end high integrity solution for the customer, where relatively unreliable storage can be made highly reliable."

If you have not read Steven Sinofsky's post on ReFS, you should read it over anyone else

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If i ever move to Windows 8 i will probably ended up running Windows 8 Server as Workstation and Gaming Machine.

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Looks like something like this will push RAID even further down the food chain!

There is no way to replace RAID on server a system. If they drive fails, it doesn't matter what filesystem is on it.

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What's wrong with NTFS for the time being? What do most of you "need" from ReFS anyways?

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is this drive extender over again????

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What's wrong with NTFS for the time being? What do most of you "need" from ReFS anyways?

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There is no way to replace RAID on server a system. If they drive fails, it doesn't matter what filesystem is on it.

That's what Storage Spaces is good for. At least the iteration that'll support at least RAID6 and 10 like redundancy.

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There is no way to replace RAID on server a system. If they drive fails, it doesn't matter what filesystem is on it.

Erm, I'm not talking about FileSystems, I'm talking about the new Storage Spaces thingy.

That's what Storage Spaces is good for. At least the iteration that'll support at least RAID6 and 10 like redundancy.

^^ Yeah what he said.

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In Windows 8, ReFS will be introduced only as part of Windows Server 8, which is the same approach we have used for each and every file system introduction.

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Seems like if it's happened with file systems in the past, there is no reason why they would change it for ReFS.

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Storage Spaces as-is isn't really suited for enterprise storage. Small servers maybe, but that's it. With growing disk sizes, there's a significant statistical possibility for read errors messing with array rebuilds. That's why storage solutions introduced triple parity RAID a while ago (three parity disks in an array). Right now it offers equivalents to RAID5 and 2/3-way mirrors. Latter is OK, former not to much.

Furthermore, according to Microsoft itself in their B8 blog, ReFS+SS can't cope with online repair of bad data on parity spaces. So if you want safe data that's online 24/7, mirrors are your only option.

And finally, I'm sure you'll be able to format your stuff to ReFS from command line, like with Protogon. If refs.sys is missing in the client builds, steal it from the server ones. Both versions come from the same source tree and are 100% compatible to each other.

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Seems like if it's happened with file systems in the past, there is no reason why they would change it for ReFS.

Yes, they said that it would release in a Server release first before coming to the Desktop OS. I'm not sure how this is news. I figure the Desktop OS will likely have some support for it, but won't use it as the Server version does...

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