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#1111 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 13:48

Mate just drop it, if Alonso had won in a similar fashion I'm pretty sure you would be screaming bloody murder.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 14:05

Nobody can appeal anything.


Article 174 (d) of the International Sporting Code makes this clear:

Protests against any error or irregularity occurring during a competition, referring to the non-compliance of vehicles with the regulations and concerning the classification established at the end of the event shall, except in circumstances which the stewards of the meeting consider as physically impossible, be made within thirty minutes of the official publication of the results.

This will be familiar to everyone who remembers the end of the 2007 season, when McLaren attempted to protest the result of that’s year season finale in Brazil in a dispute over fuel temperatures. Their appeal was declared inadmissible because they had protested against a stewards’ decision instead of doing what article 174 (d) told them to – namely, to protest the race classification within 30 minutes of the results being published.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 18:44

Ferrari did write to the FIA (Source: Sky Sports F1Source: Sky Sports F1[/url]), but it has been rejected by the FIA saying Vettel passed under green flag conditions.

You can view the video here.

However, they simply wrote a letter, they didn't launch an official protest.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 21:56

problem is, that as i have proven with my picture and difference between flags and electric lights, there was no rule broken at all. all these twitter lines from alonso and rumors in the spanish press have just the same goal as what ferrari and alonso did in the last races. to destabilize vettel and undermine his achievements. very poor!

meanwhile fia confirmed that vettel did nothing wrong :)


I bet you'd be screaming blue murder if the same thing happened to Massa. There's no interest in reality for you, you just hate Alonso blindly.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:12

I bet you'd be screaming blue murder if the same thing happened to Massa. There's no interest in reality for you, you just hate Alonso blindly.


well not interested in getting into an argument with u but JFYI:
- massa was in kinda similar situation in 2008, won the final race.
- hamilton gained the deciding place in the last corner from timo glock who happend to have placed a bet for the championship outcome just before the start of the race.
- felipe handled the defeat in a way never seen before or after. right after the race he went to the toyota pits and warned them not to leave the track with toyota team-wear on as fans probably would be dangerous and angry. he gave them ferrari dresses.

thats why everyone says felipe was worldchampion of the hearts in 2008, something alonso will never achieve with his stupid and arrogant behavior. he shown the middle-finger to petrov in 2010 and in 2012 he claims vettel won outside the rules. to quote his famous pitradio outrage: "this is ridiculous". remind you: in 2 out of 3 last races vettel had to start from behind. couldnt imagine a bigger challenge for a wdc contender.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:29

couldnt imagine a bigger challenge for a wdc contender.

I can: driving the 2012 Ferrari.

It's been a helluva year - memorable moments for both Lewis and Jenson, Kimi being back to his old hilarious self, and for Ferrari to finish 2nd in the Constructors is a massive testament to Alonso and Massa, they had an absolute dog of a car in terms of speed. On top of that, the midfield's been topsy-turvy all year with Sauber, Williams, Force India and even Mercedes getting caught up in very entertaining crashes battles all the way down the field.

Roll on 2013, things are looking very interesting already :)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:31

I can: driving the 2012 Ferrari.



:rofl: thought that topic was over? vettel and hamilton (probably button too) would KILL for such a 100% reliable car. :woot:

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:31

well not interested in getting into an argument with u but JFYI:
- massa was in kinda similar situation in 2008, won the final race.
- hamilton gained the deciding place in the last corner from timo glock who happend to have placed a bet for the championship outcome just before the start of the race.
- felipe handled the defeat in a way never seen before or after. right after the race he went to the toyota pits and warned them not to leave the track with toyota team-wear on as fans probably would be dangerous and angry. he gave them ferrari dresses.

thats why everyone says felipe was worldchampion of the hearts in 2008, something alonso will never achieve with his stupid and arrogant behavior. he shown the middle-finger to petrov in 2010 and in 2012 he claims vettel won outside the rules. to quote his famous pitradio outrage: "this is ridiculous". remind you: in 2 out of 3 last races vettel had to start from behind. couldnt imagine a bigger challenge for a wdc contender.


Massa also ranted about how the destiny of the 2008 title was changed and how he deserved it more than Hamilton after "Crashgate" hit the news. Newsflash: Formula 1 drivers ALWAYS look out for their own interests. Alonso is not special in that regard. The simple fact that you're accusing Glock of cheating when there's no evidence of it at all tells me all I need to know about you.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:34

Massa also ranted about how the destiny of the 2008 title was changed and how he deserved it more than Hamilton after "Crashgate" hit the news. Newsflash: Formula 1 drivers ALWAYS look out for their own interests. Alonso is not special in that regard. The simple fact that you're accusing Glock of cheating when there's no evidence of it at all tells me all I need to know about you.


well everyone was shocked about crashgate and masssa was easily leading that race when team alonso decided to manipulate the outcome.
reminder: f1 has never seen SUCH a manipulation. risking a drivers life for 10 pts. says everything. and the fact that renaults technical director and teamboss both got a LIFE-TIME BAN also might mean something.
and you are complaining about massa being unhappy that crashgate influenced the outcome of the wdc? get a grip!!!

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:40

Coming from a guy that's basically raging because Alonso is royally handing Massa his arse? priceless. Alonso didn't make Ferrari screw their pit stop up, that was entirely their own fault. The fact that they screwed up 2 stops in Valencia a couple of races before kinda evidences that. Basically what you're saying is that it's OK for Massa to whinge about other people's actions hurting him but when Alonso does it he's just a cheat. Sure that it's me that needs to get a grip? ;)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:51

Massa won in valencia. No screw up there. Unsafe release was and still is a minor incident only.
to Singapore: hadn't there been a SC massa wouldn't have pitted. It's that easy.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:57

Unsafe release is supposed to be a drive through penalty and Massa got off with a warning. If it hadn't been for the FIA constantly trying to hamper Lewis with idiotic penalties he would have had the championship sewn up way before the final race in brazil so to me it's all gravy. Lewis was the better driver that year and he won quite deservedly. In my mind the true talent of a driver shows in wet conditions, and Lewis drove rings around Massa in every wet race that year.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 23:03

Really quite amusing how you keep banging on about the Ferrari's reliability, let's have a quick look at some numbers shall we?

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Ferrari had a total of 3 slip-ups, but none were reliability on the car - typically, these were accidents (eg. Alonso nearly being decapitated)

Red Bull had 3 electrical failures across both cars, and 2 slip-ups unrelated to reliability

Critically though, the Red Bulls actually completed more laps - 96.2% compared to 95.3% - than the Ferraris. Also note that both of the 2 above numbers are for the team, not for an individual driver

If anyone can complain of reliability, it's McLaren, with a total of 4 failures and 6 slip-ups

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Alonso has 3 victories but only 2 pole positions, a hit rate of 1.5, while Vettel is 5 for 6 putting him at an 85% conversion rate
- with qually being more about single-lap pace, and the race allowing a driver to compensate for the car, Alonso gets the nod on this stat
- supporting this, Alonso had 0 fastest laps, Vettel had 6

Alonso stood on the podium 16 times out of a possible 20, beating Vettel by 1

Comparing the teams second drivers (Webber and Massa), the Red Bull clearly comes out on top as a better car, with 2 wins, 2 poles and a hot lap playing zero of each for Massa

Vettel averaged out qualifying 4.3rd on the grid and finishing 4.4th in the race - a small net loss. Alonso on the other hand averaged out at qualifying 6.6th but boosting up to 3.3rd by Sunday evening

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No comments really needed on this one :)

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Vettel has been investigated 9 times for breaking various rules, with 8 of those resulting in a penalty.

For comparison, Schumacher was investigated 11 times and penalised on 8 occasions (same as Vettel), and the only other person who's even remotely close to that figure is Disaster Maldonado, with 11 investigations resulting in 10 penalties

Alonso drove to the letter of the law for the entire season, not being so much as investigated

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Here ends today's lesson. Is Alonso still a whiny little Spaniard, and Vettel a walking saint? :)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 23:07

Something tells me that Vettel wouldn't have achieved what Alonso did in this year's ferrari. Let's face it, it was an awful car. Just taking 3 wins in that car was a massive achievement on it's own.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:10

Ferrari had a total of 3 slip-ups, but none were reliability on the car - typically, these were accidents (eg. Alonso nearly being decapitated)


see. thats what im saying. i dont whine arround about ricciardo brake-testing vettel as too costly or about karthikeyan crashing vettel in malaysia. race accidents happen.
its the technical problems which are costly. and vettel had about 2 race ending ones in monza and valencia, plus the defective fuel pump in abu dhabi qualifying.
hamilton probably had as much or even more problems, button had at least 2 times problems with his gearbox.
alonso had a perfect, 100% reliable car. for his brain farts against raikkonen in suzuka is only he himself to blame - if you lead the championship by a double digit margin you should not drive that risky. knowing the ferrari topspeed is superior to everyone especially lotus, he would have got raikkonen later on anyway.