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Last year, we wrote about how the UK was [url="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110406/02525813799/uk-domain-seizures-nominet-admits-its-helped-police-seize-3000-sites.shtml"]following[/url] in the footsteps of the US's Homeland Security/ICE domain seizures. As we noted, the process there is even [i]less[/i] rigorous than in the US -- often without a court being involved at all. Law enforcement just had to ask, and Nominet would take down the domain. Still, we hadn't heard about any specific domains that were seized -- and we hadn't heard of any non-Nominet (which handle .co.uk domains) being subject to UK claims.

Until now.

Dajaz1 -- who, of course, had [url="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/08225217010/breaking-news-feds-falsely-censor-popular-blog-over-year-deny-all-due-process-hide-all-details.shtml"]its own issues[/url] with bogus domain seizures -- has a story up about how the site rnbxclusive.com [url="http://dajaz1.com/2012/02/14/so-the-uk-government-gets-in-on-seizing-domains-music-websites-seized/"]appears to have been seized via UK law enforcement[/url], who put up a splash page even more ridiculous (though with fewer eagles) than the ICE splash page:
[url="http://imgur.com/qHHuZ"][img]http://i.imgur.com/qHHuZ.png[/img][/url]

The site, like many music blogs, did post various videos and commentary about new music. Perhaps some were infringing, but you'd think that there would be a trial first. This takedown is apparently happening via SOCA, the Serious Organized Crime Agency in the UK -- who, amusingly, puts a copyright symbol on their takedown splash page. There are all sorts of issues to be raised here.[list=1]
[*]First and foremost, as mentioned, this is the first time we've heard of a foreign country seizing a .com -- which the US DOJ/DHS appear to claim as their own jurisdiction. While perhaps this was done in concert with US law enforcement, it seems pretty questionable that the US would allow what they insist are "domestic" domains to be seized by foreign countries. Think of the precedent that sets for... say... Iran. The operators of the site appear to have been in the UK, so that may be the reasoning behind this, but it still raises significant jurisdictional questions about just who can seize a .com.
[*]Second, the big red warning at the top is insane. Merely downloading music wouldn't be a criminal offense with a possibility of 10 years imprisonment. While I'm not as familiar with the differences between civil and criminal infringement when it comes to UK copyright law, I believe it's not [i]that[/i] different than the US, where merely downloading is going to be civil, not criminal. A quick review of UK law suggests that it can only be a criminal issue if it's [url="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-manage/c-useenforce/c-infringe.htm"]done at commercial scale[/url], and doesn't seem to apply at all to [url="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipenforce/ipenforce-resources/ipenforce-offenceguide/ipenforce-offenceguide-cdpa.htm"]personal downloads[/url]. In fact, the UK explicitly [url="http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/news/1907512/uk-opposes-criminal-sanctions-copyright-infringement"]fought[/url] the idea of expanding criminal sanctions to file sharing. So, SOCA is basically lying.
[*]Next, the splash page claims that the music was "stolen" from artists. While the copies may be infringing, it's doubtful that the music was literally stolen.
[*]The scare tactic of displaying your IP address and pretending that this suggests they're coming after any visitor to the site. This is, again, insane. The RIAA tried this years ago when it [url="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060102/2324223.shtml"]got the Grokster site[/url] and it was just as silly then as it is now. Merely visiting a site is not breaking the law, and splashing your IP address next to a message suggesting visitors are about to be put in jail is insane hyperbole.
[*]Further, claiming that SOCA has the ability to "monitor" you is also an exaggeration. While it may be able to monitor certain transactions, it seems to be implying that it's watching your every move.
[*]Claiming that "young, emerging artists may have had their careers damaged" because of this site is pretty silly. Most young, emerging artists are actively leaking their works to such sites so [i]they can emerge[/i]. They know that obscurity is a much bigger threat than piracy ever was or will be.
[*]Saying that downloading music means you have (absolutley) "damaged the future of the music industry" is again insane hyperbole. The music industry has continued to grow pretty consistently over the past decade. It's just one segment -- the direct sales of music -- that has stumbled, and that was the part that rarely pays artists very much anyway.
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This whole thing is pretty crazy, and I'm surprised such blatant censorship by UK law enforcement of a "US" domain hasn't received more attention yet.
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Source: [url="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120214/11083717758/uk-now-seizing-music-blogs-with-american-domains-over-copyright-claims.shtml"]TechDirt[/url]

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Lol you have got to laugh at the state of the UK. Claiming 10 years for downloading a music track(never going to happen,but still wtf) while repeat offenders on traffic cops almost kill people and get 6 months. With the DEA passed though, things like this are just going to get worse.
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lol, I know a lot of people have said this before, but it looks like you could spend a longer time in jail for downloading Thriller than you'd get for murdering Michael Jackson. Nice to know we have our priorities straight! :D
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What ridiculous scare tactics... The UK and USA is as bas as China and Iran!
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[quote name='djdanster' timestamp='1329265599' post='594655838']
What ridiculous scare tactics... The UK and USA is as bas as China and Iran!
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Is downloading music really on the same level as political speech?

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Is downloading music really on the same level as political speech?
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I meant as in Internet freedoms :)

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I was reading about that and is really scary. If they could do this now, just imagine what they might do if they approve ACTA/PIPA/whatever. And again is not about piracy, its about freedom.

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InB4AnonAttack.

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Welcome to the UK, where the government will ruin your life for file-sharing.

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[quote name='djdanster' timestamp='1329268164' post='594655884']
I meant as in Internet freedoms :)
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Same point. You'll get your website shut down in the US and UK for disseminating copyrighted material that you don't hold the rights for. In China you'll get thrown in prison for tweeting your political opinions. Although both states shut down sites, the reasons behind them are vastly different.

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