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[Anthonyd]

ichi, on 01 March 2012 - 14:40, said:

In case you didn't notice, the "information obtained from other companies" also includes information from their partner Facebook.
FYI Microsoft also runs an advertising network: tracking cookies, user profiling, targeted ads... the whole pack.

FYI you can disable all tracking at your MS dashboard : https://choice.live.com/Data/Dashboard
(Google only allows you to """remove""" data they have collected about you).

[still1]

Anthonyd, on 01 March 2012 - 12:29, said:

You were assuming wrong.

Google admitted doing this, why shouldn't we trust them?


Feel free to explain me how MS is starting to spy people on Windows 8, I'll be glad to read it.

Ho and the "I am considering buying a mac.." made me giggles.

MS have started including all online services like bing,maps, location service etc to windows 8!! soon it will start spying
you can opt out by not logging to the service but at the same time you can opt out of Google services by not logging in..

I think u giggled for no reason... I said that not because i am going to stop using Windows and start using mac...
I said that because i want to have all OS at once Windows,Linux and Mac

[still1]

Frazell Thomas, on 01 March 2012 - 12:42, said:

I don't trust someone I don't know, but that's just me.



I do run my own private email server for my primary email...

All the rest of those concerns aren't the same. My work's primary business isn't selling its employees data to advertisers, for instance. But I was merely addressing the point that there is no way random people on Neowin could assert, with authenticity, that no one at Google is accessing private data, as has been asserted in this thread.

you are too paranoid... A simple solution is JUST DONT USE IT.... problem solved and now no one has to hear ur whining...
This is how the new digital world works... you signup for netflix they have your address, email id, credit card info etc..
if you didnt know employees of netflix will have access to these info(NOT ALL EMPLOYEES)....
too concerned about spying??? just delete ur account.

Anthonyd, on 01 March 2012 - 15:07, said:

FYI you can disable all tracking at your MS dashboard : https://choice.live.com/Data/Dashboard
(Google only allows you to """remove""" data they have collected about you).

thats because the option to disable tracking is not in the Google's Dashboard.... its somewhere else...
read the privacy policy and they tell you where to find it....

MS provide "disable tracking" in the dashboard and if you don't find the same in google's dashboard that doesnt make it not available.

[ichi]

Anthonyd, on 01 March 2012 - 15:07, said:

FYI you can disable all tracking at your MS dashboard : https://choice.live.com/Data/Dashboard
(Google only allows you to """remove""" data they have collected about you).

That disables seeing ads targeted on you, not being tracked.

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Microsoft will continue to collect information for other uses

And then of course it only works if you have a ĹiveID, else you are still being tracked without any opt-in nor any way to opt-out.

[LogicalApex]

still1, on 01 March 2012 - 15:34, said:

you are too paranoid... A simple solution is JUST DONT USE IT.... problem solved and now no one has to hear ur whining...
This is how the new digital world works... you signup for netflix they have your address, email id, credit card info etc..
if you didnt know employees of netflix will have access to these info(NOT ALL EMPLOYEES)....
too concerned about spying??? just delete ur account.

Well obviously. Hence why I don't use the service, as I said. The point of my post was that users here can't assert that no one at Google is reading emails, as has been asserted.

I'm not forcing you, or anyone, to decide to use a service, or not to. I don't care what you use or why...

[-Razorfold]

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In case you didn't notice, the [/color]"information obtained from other companies" also includes information from their partner Facebook.

Only happens if you choose to add Facebook to your windows live profile. And if you do that, then you get to choose what information WL can access from your FB.

[ichi]

Razorfolds, on 03 March 2012 - 01:25, said:

Only happens if you choose to add Facebook to your windows live profile. And if you do that, then you get to choose what information WL can access from your FB.

That's the personal information you choose to share, not the anonymous information they can get through the facebook-bing integration and the Facebook-MS partnership, which they can associate with your profile through the tracking cookies.

[-Razorfold]

ichi, on 03 March 2012 - 01:48, said:

That's the personal information you choose to share, not the anonymous information they can get through the facebook-bing integration and the Facebook-MS partnership, which they can associate with your profile through the tracking cookies.

You can block that too, check your Facebook privacy settings there's an option to block partners from seeing your information and tracking you. And as someone pointed out earlier, you can block MS from using tracking cookies (and have been able to) for quite a while now.

But, just like Google, you'll only find the link to it if you look through their privacy policy.

[ichi]

Razorfolds, on 03 March 2012 - 01:52, said:

You can block that too, check your Facebook privacy settings there's an option to block partners from seeing your information and tracking you. And as someone pointed out earlier, you can block MS from using tracking cookies (and have been able to) for quite a while now.

But, just like Google, you'll only find the link to it if you look through their privacy policy.

No: you can block MS from delivering personalized ads, which is not nearly the same as stop tracking (it's stated right there in the dashboard). They even use those nasty persistent atdmt cookies that ignore IE's privacy settings.

[neo158]

I'll stick with Windows 7 on my Desktop and Laptop, WP7 on my Phone and I'll buy an ARM based Windows 8 Tablet.

[+Billaguana]

Amarok, on 01 March 2012 - 00:57, said:

So you two honestly think that Google reads your emails? That's pretty shocking. I would hope by now people would have learned that there isn't some guy or several guys over at Google that sit there and read your email. Nobody at Google is reading your email. It's all automated and it's just a more sophisticated way of recognizing keywords and targeting advertisements based on those words. Believe me Random_Guy_001 at Google isn't reading your top secret correspondence with your friends, your porn subscription confirmation emails, or any of that. If you actually read anything about Google you'd know that. Actually if you read their "new" privacy policy you'd know that the new privacy policy just allows them to share data across their own network and nothing really changes for you as a user other than your ads become more relevant (assuming you're not using AdBlock.)

I never said that it was a guy doing it, rather the company itself. You assumed now didnt you, please make sure you read before posting, thank you. What I meant by my post was that I don't want them collecting anything out of my emails. And the fact that they didn't make it optional or anything to that sort just makes it that much worse. I should want to choose rather I can make the ads shown to me more relevant or not. They get paid by the ad companies either way.