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Gotenks98, on 06 March 2012 - 15:17, said:

not all Muslims are terrorists, but 99% of terrorists are Muslims and there are ALOT of terrorists. FACT

IMO terrorist activities or evil deeds in general can never be linked specifically to a single religion. Its immature to do so. For example Hitler was a Christian wasn't he? What about the Nazi army? They were all Christians, I'm guessing so were Stalin & his goons. That doesn't make Christianity any less beautiful & peace loving than we all know it is.

Similarly what is done by few evil men like Osama can't be made to stand against Islam.

Intrinsica, on 06 March 2012 - 15:33, said:

Bahaha! How ridiculous. We'll just ignore the IRA, The Communist Party of India, Shining Path, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia...yeah, that's a real fact you have there...

Communist Party of India is not a terrorist organization, thy are just dumbasses who want free money for all the lazy idiots who support them.

[chrisdoland]

Truth is one if the top CIA officialls is using Bin Ladens skull as an ash tray for his cigars at the Pentagon.

[revparadigm]

"Terrorism" seems to be branching out into all different directions in terms of it's defintion. Be more specific like "Islamic terrorism", which is the violence of Muslims according to Jihad. Does the Bible command & justify Christians warring against unbelievers who oppose it and take a stand directly against Christianity? Even the most tortured interpretation would have a hard time coming up with that one. Does the Quran justify war against unbelievers who oppose Islam and take a stand directly against it? sure seems to be that millions of jihadists who say so from their own lips...and act accordingly. I would say Islam does teach holy war against those who refuse to submit and Muhammad said it was the duty of all Muslims. Now are all Muslims active in Jihad? No...but is Jihad real? Of course it is.

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revparadigm, on 10 April 2012 - 22:15, said:

Does the Quran justify war against unbelievers who oppose Islam and take a stand directly against it? sure seems to be that millions of jihadists who say so from their own lips...and act accordingly. I would say Islam does teach holy war against those who refuse to submit and Muhammad said it was the duty of all Muslims. Now are all Muslims active in Jihad? No...but is Jihad real? Of course it is.

Did you do your own head count on that throught? There are about 1.6 billion muslims in the world. So even if there were a few million who believed that, that still leaves hundreds of millions who dont. Islam really isnt different the other religions in the way that there are different sects of christianity. As well as the level of devotion by the people of each religion/view. Suggesting that becuase 1 or 2% of those that follow islam view militant way, some how represents the whole or majority of the religion is ignorant at best. Jihad for some is real, dont think anyone is denying that but it's far from the majority view.

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mudslag, on 11 April 2012 - 00:57, said:

Did you do your own head count on that throught? There are about 1.6 billion muslims in the world. So even if there were a few million who believed that, that still leaves hundreds of millions who dont. Islam really isnt different the other religions in the way that there are different sects of christianity. As well as the level of devotion by the people of each religion/view. Suggesting that becuase 1 or 2% of those that follow islam view militant way, some how represents the whole or majority of the religion is ignorant at best. Jihad for some is real, dont think anyone is denying that but it's far from the majority view.

I think it's false to equate Islam and Christianity. You might have a relatively small group of Muslims who are committed to jihad when you consider there are 1.x billions Muslims worldwide, but there seems to be legions of Muslims who support them. Either indirectly, by making excuses for their actions or trying to downplay the issue of jihad, or directly through funding and open support.

You also can't ignore the Islamic militias in Africa who are killing scores of people with the hope of converting the entire continent to Islam. Sure, Christians send in their missionaries and try to convert people, but you can't pretend it's the same thing.

Of course, it's worth noting that many millions of Muslims are victims of their cruel, Muslim rulers. Military, political and Royal leaders who couldn't care less about their faithful brothers and sisters. Who live in the lap of luxury while people around them are starving and dying.

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warwagon, on 06 March 2012 - 15:01, said:

Did you know that the Bin Laden raid and kill was happening at the same time as the Presidential Dinner 2011? Oh what must have been going through his head!?

I'm not a US Citizen but I thought this video was brilliant

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rippleman, on 06 March 2012 - 14:27, said:

if they said he was alive, imagine how many Muslims would be taking buildings and people hostage demanding his release? it would be a daily thing...

Wouldnt surprise me. They have a brain the size of a pea. Harsh but if you go around killing people because "alah" told you to, then somehting is messed up.

[Ently]

It's funny how people always slander Muslims and call them terrorists when I can bet those people have never met a REAL Muslim. In my experience most people of the Muslim religion that I have met were actually really nice and never pushed there beliefs on me and never tried to attack me rofl. Stereotypes are just that... Stereotypes.. they are stupid and if you read the Koran yes it can be interpreted for good or for evil BUT it is up to the person reading the book, and that's something ALL religions are guilty of.

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rippleman, on 06 March 2012 - 15:46, said:

IRA is gone, you are living in the 90's.

http://www.guardian....s-attacks-banks

http://news.sky.com/...rticle/16205404

http://news.sky.com/...rticle/15964819

Need I continue with a simple Google search/copy pasta ? PIRA, OIRA, RIRA ,CIRA etc are all splintered factions from the first "IRA" terrorist group .Same guys pulling triggers and planting bombs , just under a new name. Often to confuse but mainly to deflect unwanted pressures on political parties such as Sinn Féin . I'm afraid to say they are still about and killing innocent people. These groups are as much of threat in mainland UK as Al-Qaeda.


I really do hope Bin Laden is at the bottom of the sea , it would be very problematic if he wasn't and it became common knowledge the whole saga was "manufactured".

[muratoner]

compl3x, on 11 April 2012 - 07:29, said:

I think it's false to equate Islam and Christianity. You might have a relatively small group of Muslims who are committed to jihad when you consider there are 1.x billions Muslims worldwide, but there seems to be legions of Muslims who support them. Either indirectly, by making excuses for their actions or trying to downplay the issue of jihad, or directly through funding and open support.

You also can't ignore the Islamic militias in Africa who are killing scores of people with the hope of converting the entire continent to Islam. Sure, Christians send in their missionaries and try to convert people, but you can't pretend it's the same thing.

Of course, it's worth noting that many millions of Muslims are victims of their cruel, Muslim rulers. Military, political and Royal leaders who couldn't care less about their faithful brothers and sisters. Who live in the lap of luxury while people around them are starving and dying.

the reason we have more wackos in islam today is because of the religious education that's been going on in islamic countries over children.There are some more lucky ones like my country but still there is a pressure on us to put religion in education system that finally lead to put "the life of Prophet Muhammed" as an optional class.While in most Christian populated countries people understood the value of a secular education system but this is quite the opposite in islamic countries with a few exceptions.To me forcing a child to any religious believe is child abuse.We should let them decide for themselves when they are old enough to understand it...brainwashing causes an intolerant,barbaric mindless generations.

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neufuse, on 06 March 2012 - 15:16, said:

oh good gawd... might want to FACT check there

Actually, those are words from Al-Jazeera. Be it not exact words as it was "Not all muslims are terrorists, however its sad that most terrorists are muslims".

comming from the 'CNN/BCC' of the arabic world...

[mudslag]

compl3x, on 11 April 2012 - 07:29, said:

I think it's false to equate Islam and Christianity. You might have a relatively small group of Muslims who are committed to jihad when you consider there are 1.x billions Muslims worldwide, but there seems to be legions of Muslims who support them. Either indirectly, by making excuses for their actions or trying to downplay the issue of jihad, or directly through funding and open support.

You also can't ignore the Islamic militias in Africa who are killing scores of people with the hope of converting the entire continent to Islam. Sure, Christians send in their missionaries and try to convert people, but you can't pretend it's the same thing.

Of course, it's worth noting that many millions of Muslims are victims of their cruel, Muslim rulers. Military, political and Royal leaders who couldn't care less about their faithful brothers and sisters. Who live in the lap of luxury while people around them are starving and dying.

I dont think you understood the comparison I was making, if you disagree then show why it's wrong but claiming it's false doesnt make it false. There are different sects of Islam just as there is in Christianity, You have different levels of commitment to each. In those ways, they are very comparible. On top of that, you still have extremist in both. To the level of extremist is where you can argue the differences divide from each other.

And if you want to bring up Africa, dont forget Kony, who is killing in the name of Chrisitanity. So I dont need to pretend its the same thing, killing in the name of god, any god, is still killing in that name. Lets not pretend Christianity's hands are free from blood.

[revparadigm]

Ently, on 11 April 2012 - 08:39, said:

It's funny how people always slander Muslims and call them terrorists when I can bet those people have never met a REAL Muslim. In my experience most people of the Muslim religion that I have met were actually really nice and never pushed there beliefs on me and never tried to attack me rofl. Stereotypes are just that... Stereotypes.. they are stupid and if you read the Koran yes it can be interpreted for good or for evil BUT it is up to the person reading the book, and that's something ALL religions are guilty of.

Nonsense. The doctrine of Jihad [Holy War] is foundational to the Quran. Misinterpretation is not a deflection in this case. Jihad is not just a "small number of Muslims"...it is happening world wide, crosses cultural, religious, ethnic, national borders in scope. The "nice verses" in the Quran have a very specific context...in that a person willingly submits. And if you resist? Jihad rears it's ugly head. The point with equating rouge actions of self proclaimed Christians with Jihad Muslims is completely flipped flopped in it's mechanics. If someone claims to be a follower of Christ, yet demonstrates imperialistic militaristic behavior to somehow establish a Christian theocratic rule...there is no context for it within the teachings of Jesus or the apostles. But when a Muslim does these things in the name of allah, they are purely following the path of words & deeds Muhammad layed out.

"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle." Qur'an:8:12

mudslag, on 11 April 2012 - 09:37, said:

I dont think you understood the comparison I was making, if you disagree then show why it's wrong but claiming it's false doesnt make it false. There are different sects of Islam just as there is in Christianity, You have different levels of commitment to each. In those ways, they are very comparible. On top of that, you still have extremist in both. To the level of extremist is where you can argue the differences divide from each other.

And if you want to bring up Africa, dont forget Kony, who is killing in the name of Chrisitanity. So I dont need to pretend its the same thing, killing in the name of god, any god, is still killing in that name. Lets not pretend Christianity's hands are free from blood.

And where is this Kony's Biblical justification of his actions and just how it is "Christian"??? After all the word means "Christ follower/imitator". Where did Jesus teach & demonstrate it? Or any of the disciples or apostles? Just read the Quran AND the Hadiths and you'll get a cystal clear picture that Muhammad was a warlord tyrant that spread Islam by the sword, just as much as a spiritual figurehead.

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revparadigm, on 11 April 2012 - 19:32, said:

And where is this Kony's Biblical justification of his actions and just how it is "Christian"??? After all the word means "Christ follower/imitator". Where did Jesus teach & demonstrate it? Or any of the disciples or apostles? Just read the Quran AND the Hadiths and you'll get a cystal clear picture that Muhammad was a warlord tyrant that spread Islam by the sword, just as much as a spiritual figurehead.

That's the problem with interpretation, people see and get out of it what they want. Justification is in the eye of the beholder. God of the bible may not be a "warlord" but tyrant on the other hand is up for debate. The crusades is an example of spreading Christianity by the sword.

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Glen, on 06 March 2012 - 20:05, said:

That's what THEY what YOU to believe. In fact, OBL was taken away in a space ship at birth and replaced by an (illegal) alien from the planet Zorf!

This has my backing, IT'S SO DETAILED.