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[DocM]

WP7, on 14 March 2012 - 19:21, said:

Fk thats awful, America needs to get a grip on gun law / gun education!

You can't educate out stupid or careless,. You can try, and the carry classes stress the point, but nothing is perfect and neither are people. Check the auto and accidental death reports and the Darwin Awards for examples.

[Seizure1990]

WP7, on 14 March 2012 - 19:21, said:

Fk thats awful, America needs to get a grip on gun law / gun education! Glad I live in the UK tbh

Have fun with your annual riots.

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Vykranth, on 14 March 2012 - 15:02, said:

Every time we get this kind of stories, the gun is always loaded and the safety is always off.

The paradox of the gun in the US society: society is violent so people buy guns to protect themselves and feel safe, yet they do not handle the guns safely and they put themselves, their family or others at risk ...

You refer to "they" a few times implying the same people who you see defend their are the same people who don't handle them responsibly. While there may be a few idiots who do both, the vast majority are responsible.

Surely I don't need to refer to the cliche that good news is bad news?

[DocM]

Vykranth, on 14 March 2012 - 15:02, said:

Every time we get this kind of stories, the gun is always loaded and the safety is always off

An unloaded gun is kinda har to fire if you need it quick. The trick is to pull the magazine or, in a revolver, the shells if you leave it unsecured. But then the idea is NOT to leave it unsecured, hence gun safes even in cars.

As to safeties: you do realize that a large percentage of handguns have no safety? Those with double-action triggers, which both engage and tension the mechanism and fire the weapon, often don't have one. Common on revolvers and compact concealed carry auto pistols including my SIG P250 carry weapon.

[Azies]

The only way the US is going to get a grip of it's gun laws is through civil war. These right wingers won't give up their killing tools so easily.

[DocM]

Civil war; a massive continental conflict costing millions of lives and of necessity requiring weapons, as a means of disarming people who would otherwise hurt no one other than societal predators.

Yeah, that makes sense /s

[Azies]

DocM, on 14 March 2012 - 20:38, said:

Civil war; a massive continental conflict costing millions of lives and of necessity requiring weapons, as a means of disarming people who would otherwise hurt no one other than societal predators.

Yeah, that makes sense /s

The right has been preparing for war for a long time, you think they're going to cooperate with disarming? They're primitives who believe in God and Guns, and would kill before giving up their arms. The reaction would cause a civil conflict, it would TAKE a civil war to disarm these people.

[Seizure1990]

DocM, on 14 March 2012 - 20:38, said:

Yeah, that makes sense /s

Asking Azies' to make sense in a topic about guns? Don't hold your breath.

He just has fun making dumb comments from the peanut gallery without any substantiation or reasoning.

[Dot Matrix]

Trigger locks people. They work wonders.

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Azies, on 14 March 2012 - 20:40, said:

The right has been preparing for war for a long time, you think they're going to cooperate with disarming? They're primitives who believe in God and Guns, and would kill before giving up their arms. The reaction would cause a civil conflict, it would TAKE a civil war to disarm these people.

^ In that order.

[DocM]

Dot Matrix, on 14 March 2012 - 20:41, said:

Trigger locks people. They work wonders.

Gun safes are more secure, and laws requiring trigger locks were ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court (DC vs. Heller, 2008)

[Vykranth]

Xenosion, on 14 March 2012 - 19:42, said:

You refer to "they" a few times implying the same people who you see defend their are the same people who don't handle them responsibly. While there may be a few idiots who do both, the vast majority are responsible.

Well, hopefully, the vast majority of people in the US who owns guns knows the basic rules of gun safety. The opposite would be very worrisome don't you think?
Yet, if you look at the article, two other cases of children killed by guns as they gain access to guns are referenced.
This is the third one in a short time span and there have been other news snippet posted here about similar accidents in the last year.

Guns are items that must be handled with care and in the strict framework of safety rules. If one does not follow the rules by laziness, by overconfidence, by idiocy, accidents are bound to happen and as this story demonstrates, accidents involving guns can be tragic.
So, yes, my concern is the number of people who knows how to handle a gun and the number of people who believe they know how to handle a gun.
Given that there are plenty of guns in the US and even if the proportion of idiots is low, there might be a significant number of people putting themselves or others at risk.

Xenosion, on 14 March 2012 - 19:42, said:

Surely I don't need to refer to the cliche that good news is bad news?

Huh?

DocM, on 14 March 2012 - 20:30, said:

An unloaded gun is kinda har to fire if you need it quick. The trick is to pull the magazine or, in a revolver, the shells if you leave it unsecured. But then the idea is NOT to leave it unsecured, hence gun safes even in cars.

As to safeties: you do realize that a large percentage of handguns have no safety? Those with double-action triggers, which both engage and tension the mechanism and fire the weapon, often don't have one. Common on revolvers and compact concealed carry auto pistols including my SIG P250 carry weapon.

Sadly, I know that there are plenty of handguns which do not have safety and it really baffles me. I would not buy a handgun without a separate physical safety.

[DocM]

Vykranth, on 14 March 2012 - 22:42, said:

Sadly, I know that there are plenty of handguns which do not have safety and it really baffles me. I would not buy a handgun without a separate physical safety.

They really aren't that useful on a double action gun. It only takes a couple lbs of force to release a typical safety, but the trigger pull on a double-action is anywhere from 6 to 10+ lbs - rather stiff as you're both cocking and shooting with a single lever because it's carried un-cocked Any heavier a force for the safety and it becomes too slow to use for defensive purposes.

OTOH the trigger pull kn a single action can be as light as 3 lbs since the gun is usually carried cocked - and easier for small child. Faster to shoot though. SA's definitely need a safety.

Then there are the double action/single actions (DA/SA) - the first shot is double action for safety and the rest single action for speed.

[sava700]

I carry something at all times but it is on me not laying around in the car for obvious reasons - wouldn't do me no good if I got out and someone tried to car jack me with the gun laying under a seat. At night I keep a glock 19 in a locked box finger print activated lock at my bed side with 2 clips ready..takes me seconds to open and load. All other guns are securely locked up in a safe and yes I have a 5 year old running around the house.

It all revolves around ignorant people but the gun is not at fault and no need more more gun laws...people just need to learn common sense.

[DocM]

sava700, on 14 March 2012 - 23:26, said:

..... At night I keep a glock 19 in a locked box finger print activated lock at my bed side with 2 clips ready..takes me seconds to open and load.....

Bingo, but a SIG P250 .40 in full size config (it's size convertible) with 2 magazines and a tactical light & laser combo.