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MS is not going to waste resources and cause severe delays in future security patches for what amounts to the choice of less than 1% of users. Especially when those users if they gave it a chance would find they are just as productive in the new system if not more, leaving aesthetics as the ony valid argument. And they're definitely not wasting all those resources and delaying important security patches because some users think their menus ugly.

Accept that fact. You are a minority, it's not MS job to waste resources on a minority, if you must be stuck in the past, use a third party program, THAT'S what choice is about, they're not blocking your ability to run a third party launcher, so smile and be happy.

I really don't understand the argument that a Start button would be such a monumental undertaking. Sure, every feature or bugfix done at Microsoft requires a lot of man-hours, but keep things in perspective. This is the largest software company in the world. They have 90,000 employees, make $billions each quarter and offer more products and services than anyone can list. Should they include the button, and whatever functionality comes with it, they would in no way be hurting for resources.

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Windows 8 Start button isn't coming back, but there will be a tutorial

LMAO.

I just glanced the thread from the corner of my eye and read instead:

Windows 8 Start button isn't coming back, but there will be a funeral

;)

LOL! Come on now! Let's all play taps for the dearly departed Start Button! :D ROFL!

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Major happening, if rumors are true that no current Windows Phones, including the Lumia will get a WP8 upgrade, then all bets are off. It is highly possible Windows 8 will fail.

No possible way, abandoning all Windows Phone owners, having to catch up from scratch with new WP8 Phone Sales, that Microsoft will ever be able to catch up to iPhone and Android which will highlight the clumsiness of Metro on the Desktop. The abandonment of all existing WP7 phones is just a rumor, but if true, it's a game changer.

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LOL! Come on now! Let's all play taps for the dearly departed Start Button! :D ROFL!

Your cybernetic cat could be a pall bearer all by himself! hehehe ;)

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LOL! Come on now! Let's all play taps for the dearly departed Start Button! :D ROFL!

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Just added D.J.P to my ignore list because all they post is how they're adding people to their ignore list.

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Major happening, if rumors are true that no current Windows Phones, including the Lumia will get a WP8 upgrade, then all bets are off. It is highly possible Windows 8 will fail.

No possible way, abandoning all Windows Phone owners, having to catch up from scratch with new WP8 Phone Sales, that Microsoft will ever be able to catch up to iPhone and Android which will highlight the clumsiness of Metro on the Desktop. The abandonment of all existing WP7 phones is just a rumor, but if true, it's a game changer.

Nobody ever said that WP8 = Apollo, WP users will still be getting a significant upgrade, for full support throughout their contract. They'll be able to keep using the apps they've already come to rely on.

Also, Windows 8 has zero chance of failing. There will be at least 100 million Windows 8 users by mid-2013. No way a platform with that many users can possibly fail. And that's a conservative estimate. A few people here are being vocal about their complaints, but the reality is most people will like Windows 8, so there's just as good odds that Windows 8 will see as quick adoption as Windows 7 did, and it'll definitely see faster adoption than Windows Vista. It runs fine on my Atom Netbook, which couldn't handle Vista well, so the #1 reason people didn't want Vista won't apply.

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It's ideas like the "SIDS" article on the main page that are going to prevent Metro from failing.

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Nobody ever said that WP8 = Apollo, WP users will still be getting a significant upgrade, for full support throughout their contract. They'll be able to keep using the apps they've already come to rely on.

Also, Windows 8 has zero chance of failing. There will be at least 100 million Windows 8 users by mid-2013. No way a platform with that many users can possibly fail. And that's a conservative estimate. A few people here are being vocal about their complaints, but the reality is most people will like Windows 8, so there's just as good odds that Windows 8 will see as quick adoption as Windows 7 did, and it'll definitely see faster adoption than Windows Vista. It runs fine on my Atom Netbook, which couldn't handle Vista well, so the #1 reason people didn't want Vista won't apply.

Is what I highlighted just your guess, opinion, or rhetoric, or are you just supposing. I'm just curious if you have some information we dont.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 100 million desktop licenses sold in 6 months or so is pretty optimistic, and doubtful. If you're talking tablets, I doubt 100 million even if you throw in tablets sold and go ahead and cound Windows Phones. Having said that tablets will sell well.

I do believe it is possible Windows 8 will fail on the desktop for up to 3 years. It depends on apps. Not significantly increasing PC sales is a a desktop fail for Windows 8 if phones and tablets don't make significant inroads. We will see.

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Your cybernetic cat could be a pall bearer all by himself! hehehe ;)

lol yeah, *Cat starts playing taps* "Meow Meow Meow" "Meow Meow Meow" :D

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I expect overly complicated apps like Visual Studio to eventually follow this path. An app that's pretty much automated to develop code, just add a few controls, select a few options, and you're done. The app does all the coding itself in the background.

Please tell me you were joking or being sarcastic or something?

HTML, which is by all accounts a language so simple and straightforward that any idiot can code it, still does not have a viable and fully functional WYSIWYG editor (or anything close) after some 10+ years of various companies attempting it. The closest they come to "successful" is Dreamweaver, and even then most people who use it say they do so as an IDE and not a WYSIWYG.

The idea that regular software could be developed in the same manner anywhere within the next 20 years is hilarious. Not to mention the whole chicken/egg problem with the idea.

I liked Metro and thought it would be the future too. But the more I see the more I'm convinced it is useless for serious work. What irritates me most is that it (the design concept) is probably only a few steps away from being capable in that area, but Microsoft are too focused on competing with iOS to worry about such details. I'm hoping that by Windows 9 it isn't too late and they start to give some attention to productivity users too but I have my doubts.

PS. I couldn't give two hoots about the actual start menu. Would be happy with a simple search box and an option to bury the tiles.

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I really don't understand the argument that a Start button would be such a monumental undertaking. Sure, every feature or bugfix done at Microsoft requires a lot of man-hours, but keep things in perspective. This is the largest software company in the world. They have 90,000 employees, make $billions each quarter and offer more products and services than anyone can list. Should they include the button, and whatever functionality comes with it, they would in no way be hurting for resources.

I don't think the issue is so much having the resources as it is making the best business decision on where to use them. ;)

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Yes, iOS only allows for one window at a time, while Metro allows for "one and a half", if one is being generous. Same difference. Metro Snap is a nice feature to have on a tablet. But both iOS 's and Metro's window management features are inadequate for a desktop operating system.

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Yea! Look at my desktop! I'm forced to use 1 Window at a time! However will I cope? Oh let me get to the list of about 7-8 programs I could fit on my Start Menu in Windows 7.

But oh look! They're still there! Also they're in categories and I can fit tonnes more on the screen if I want! Seriously, are you going on the assumption that you MUST IMMEDIATELY switch over ALL your old apps to METRO apps? Or Steve Ballmer strolls in and puts a gun to your head? Nothing about the way I use my computer has changed, except the way I launch apps has become more organized and flexible.

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I don't think the issue is so much having the resources as it is making the best business decision on where to use them. ;)

Perhaps. Though I'd say Microsoft is more known for their shotgun approach when it comes to spending. If they don't include the start button, I can't see resource management as being an influencing factor in that decision.

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Is what I highlighted just your guess, opinion, or rhetoric, or are you just supposing. I'm just curious if you have some information we dont.

It's a guess, I'm just not making the assumption that WP8=Apollo, because MS has never said that's the case, people just assumed that WP8 = Apollo because WP7.5 = Mango, and Tango would be to Apollo what NoDo was to Mango. The thing is Mango is version 7.10, so Apollo being 7.20 makes more sense than 8.00. The utterly confusing naming certainly isn't doing MS any favours here, but I'd look at it more as if Mango is WP7 SP1. It also fits the leaks, Apollo being tested on current devices while WP8 won't be coming to current devices. It's possible both are right.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 100 million desktop licenses sold in 6 months or so is pretty optimistic, and doubtful. If you're talking tablets, I doubt 100 million even if you throw in tablets sold and go ahead and cound Windows Phones. Having said that tablets will sell well.

More like 9 months, including 2012's Christmas season. If Windows 8 doesn't launch until 2013, then yes, 100 million might be a bit optimistic, but it's most likely launching in October or November.

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I'm still not convinced about the videos bundled with Windows 8

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Do they actually have some? I know this is an old article, and I used the RTM and don't recall there being videos included. Does the full retail version have tutorials explaining everything new? I'd be curious to see them if so. Just to see what they are offering users.

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